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Sparkss journey to recovery

2/13 HST Week 8/ Workout 1

*Full Squats - 1-2 Warm-Up Sets + 1 Set x 5 Reps * 115x15 155x12 155x12
*Snatch-Grip Deadlifts - 5 Reps * 155x12 155x12 XX
*Pendlay Rows - 5 Reps * 155x10 155x10 XX
*Reverse Grip BB Press (Weighted Dips) - 5 Reps * XX XX XX
*Underhand Incline BB Row (Medium Grip Chin-Ups) - 5 reps* 155x10 155x10 XX
*Incline Bench Press - 5 Reps * 40x15 70x8 70x7
*Shrugs - 5 Reps * 70x10 70x10 XX
Cavalerie Crossover - 5 Reps 60x10 60x10
*Bent-Over Rear Lateral Raises - 5 Reps * 60x10 60x10 XX
Alternating Front DB Raise*(Military Press) - 5 Reps * 30x10 30x10 XX
*Alternating Dumbbell Curls - 5 Reps * 40x10 40x10 XX
*Triceps Extensions - 5 Reps * 40x10 XX XX

I felt good today, worked up one heckuva sweat in the process. I had to cut it short due to needing to take my daughter to the doctors (turns out she has strep *sigh*). I am pretty sore and my shoulder is barking really loud. Despite having a good workout I think perhaps I probably should have skipped today.

I weighed in at 193.8 lbs and measured just over 36" (like a fraction) this morning. It is hard to read the tape in the mirror when I measure, so there is a 1/4" or so variance because of that.
 
Studhorse said:
Important think is your getting your lifts in brother! Man packing looks like you are packing on the muscle. Sometimes life gets in the way.
I have done HST 3 days in a row a few times. (Don't recommend it) but I know I was going to miss 3 days in a row. sometimes you have to fit them in were you can.
Yes M-W-F is ideal for HST but it doesn't always workout. this time of year coming up I usually Hit my HST M-Tue.-Thur. usually packing up to hit the road for a my daughters softball Tournament on Friday. I try to walk a lot between games and hit the crappy Gym in the hotel for a little bonus work.
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Thanks. The odd part is I see the increased muscle mass more so when I put a shirt on (especially older shirts that I "knew" how they fit before) than I can see the difference in the mirror with my shirt off. Go figure..... :)
 
Sparkss said:
Thanks. The odd part is I see the increased muscle mass more so when I put a shirt on (especially older shirts that I "knew" how they fit before) than I can see the difference in the mirror with my shirt off. Go figure..... :)
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Means your are developing all the muscles at close to the same rate. Excellent!
 
Studhorse said:
Means your are developing all the muscles at close to the same rate. Excellent!
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That makes sense.

On a separate note, I may take the next couple of days off, or at least adjust my workout to remove all shoulder exercises. I am not sure if the chest or back cause me pain, but my left (non-surgery) shoulder is flippin killing me today. I need to adjust something.

I was also as hungry as I think I have been in a long time tonight. Luckily there was enough clean food to eat that I didn't have to resort to dinging on junk food or sweets. Tomorrow is an off day, so it will be interesting to see just how hungry I stay.
 
Sparkss said:
That makes sense.

On a separate note, I may take the next couple of days off, or at least adjust my workout to remove all shoulder exercises. I am not sure if the chest or back cause me pain, but my left (non-surgery) shoulder is flippin killing me today. I need to adjust something.

I was also as hungry as I think I have been in a long time tonight. Luckily there was enough clean food to eat that I didn't have to resort to dinging on junk food or sweets. Tomorrow is an off day, so it will be interesting to see just how hungry I stay.
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Sorry to hear about the shoulder. That's just sucks. I have found exercises that I can do with my bad left shoulder but it took time to figure it out.
You will figure it out. If you need any suggestions just ask. Can't say they will all work for you. Plus you know Jeff Cavaliers stuff. Some I can do and most I still can't.
Very frustrating but you will figure it out.
Is it hurting more performing the lifts or after your done and cooled down?
 
Studhorse said:
Sorry to hear about the shoulder. That's just sucks. I have found exercises that I can do with my bad left shoulder but it took time to figure it out.
You will figure it out. If you need any suggestions just ask. Can't say they will all work for you. Plus you know Jeff Cavaliers stuff. Some I can do and most I still can't.
Very frustrating but you will figure it out.
Is it hurting more performing the lifts or after your done and cooled down?
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I don't really feel it during the lifts at all. It is as you said, after I am done and cooled down. Then it hurts like a mutha. Especially if I move it in a certain position, like reaching out and a little to the left. If I just let is rest in my lap it is fine, no real pain.
 
Sparkss said:
I don't really feel it during the lifts at all. It is as you said, after I am done and cooled down. Then it hurts like a mutha. Especially if I move it in a certain position, like reaching out and a little to the left. If I just let is rest in my lap it is fine, no real pain.
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Sounds like me. Its probably inflammation. Do you have any Anti Inflammatory s? I tried the Ice and everything else and only the pharmy stuff works or 4 advil. which I hate taking this stuff so I usually just deal with it.

I have been loading Flexatril for 3 days now and the post workout pain in my shoulder is better. Still too early to confirm this.
 
I have a pharma anti-inflammatory for my back, but can be pretty harsh on the stomach, so I try to avoid it. In fact I need to see if my current bottle is expired or not :) It sounds like I am due to pull that from the back of my meds cabinet and keep it closer at hand.
 
Sparkss said:
I have a pharma anti-inflammatory for my back, but can be pretty harsh on the stomach, so I try to avoid it. In fact I need to see if my current bottle is expired or not :) It sounds like I am due to pull that from the back of my meds cabinet and keep it closer at hand.
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I have some that are 2 years expired and they still work. I'm like you dont really like taking them unless It gets to a F it!
 
Studhorse said:
I have some that are 2 years expired and they still work. I'm like you dont really like taking them unless It gets to a F it!
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I just checked and mine expired last year. It has been 3 years now since it was dispensed. I forgot the name and had to look on the bottle, it is etodolac. It worked "ok" for me in the past, but not like a silver bullet or anything. I just downed 2 Motrin's and will see how I feel in a couple of hours. I also called in for a refill on the etodolac, we will see if the doc comes through or not. If not I may go ahead with the etodolac before bed (although with this med you are not supposed to lay down for 10 ~ 15 minutes after taking it).
 
2/15 HST Week 8/ Workout 2

*Split Squats - 1-2 Warm-Up Sets + 2 Sets x 5 Reps * 40x15 100x10
Stiff-Legged Deadlifts*(Glute-Ham Raises) - 5 Reps * 155x10 155x10
*Pendlay Rows - 5 Reps * 155x10 155x10
*Underhand Incline BB Row (Medium Grip Chin-Ups) - 5 reps* 155x10 155x10
*Behind the Back Shrugs - 5 Reps * 135x10 135x10
*Incline Bench Press - 5 Reps * 40x15 70x10 70x10
*Hammer Curls - 5 Reps * 40x11 40x12
*Triceps Extensions (Skull Crushers) - 5 Reps * 40x10 40x8
1-Leg Calf Raises - 5 Reps * 60x22 60x20
*Planks (Weighted Decline Sit-Ups - 5 Reps) * 50s 45s
Lower Back Hyper Extensions 20x25 20x25

I more or less slept though the night last night, but I just could not get going this morning. I trimmed a couple of exercises out of my workout due to my shoulder, but was feeling good overall, thanks to some spot-on advice from Studhorse and a fast-refill from my doctor. Once I took the anti-inflammatory the pain all but went away. I know it is still there, but really just background noise now. The shoulder, or any other aches or pains, did not affect my workout quality, but a general fatigue did. Although I was lacking in energy, the strength was still there. I went up in reps on several exercises and up in weight on at least one.

I am roughly 1 week away from the end of my Sup3r-2 run. I may cut it short if my suspicions about my fatigue are born out by blood tests. As most know I am on TRT (not exactly a secret). Some may not recall that my doctor is preferential to the pellets. I was due for my labs next week, but it looks like the pellets lasted a little less than projected. They are extremely variable based on the individuals processing of the hormones. So I am going to move my blood draw date up and if the results come back low, as I expect them to, I will just stop the Sup3r-3 run early. I have no desire to run it w/o a test base as I feel that my progress would be hampered. Plus, I can't exercise for 2 ~ 3 days after I get the new pellets which puts me after the end of my run anyways (even if the doc could get me in Monday). So best to just save it and put it on the end of my next run, if that turns out to be the case.

On another note I was tired last night and decided to skip my evening shake. I am trying to lean out a little and stopping those seemed like a good place to start. However that plan seemed to backfire. I awoke this morning to weigh in at 195.4 and 37" waistline. WTF. All I can think is the KSM, DIM and Agmatine that are in my night time shakes were more beneficial for my recomp than the extra calories from the protein was counter to weight loss.

I am still using Evomuse Ab Ab in the morning. My bottles of Sup3r-7 and Sup3r-Shred should be here tomorrow (if you can believe the tracking info). So I am wanting to jump into a full-on cut going into the weekend.
 
Sparkss said:
2/15 HST Week 8/ Workout 2

*Split Squats - 1-2 Warm-Up Sets + 2 Sets x 5 Reps * 40x15 100x10
Stiff-Legged Deadlifts*(Glute-Ham Raises) - 5 Reps * 155x10 155x10
*Pendlay Rows - 5 Reps * 155x10 155x10
*Underhand Incline BB Row (Medium Grip Chin-Ups) - 5 reps* 155x10 155x10
*Behind the Back Shrugs - 5 Reps * 135x10 135x10
*Incline Bench Press - 5 Reps * 40x15 70x10 70x10
*Hammer Curls - 5 Reps * 40x11 40x12
*Triceps Extensions (Skull Crushers) - 5 Reps * 40x10 40x8
1-Leg Calf Raises - 5 Reps * 60x22 60x20
*Planks (Weighted Decline Sit-Ups - 5 Reps) * 50s 45s
Lower Back Hyper Extensions 20x25 20x25

I more or less slept though the night last night, but I just could not get going this morning. I trimmed a couple of exercises out of my workout due to my shoulder, but was feeling good overall, thanks to some spot-on advice from Studhorse and a fast-refill from my doctor. Once I took the anti-inflammatory the pain all but went away. I know it is still there, but really just background noise now. The shoulder, or any other aches or pains, did not affect my workout quality, but a general fatigue did. Although I was lacking in energy, the strength was still there. I went up in reps on several exercises and up in weight on at least one.

I am roughly 1 week away from the end of my Sup3r-2 run. I may cut it short if my suspicions about my fatigue are born out by blood tests. As most know I am on TRT (not exactly a secret). Some may not recall that my doctor is preferential to the pellets. I was due for my labs next week, but it looks like the pellets lasted a little less than projected. They are extremely variable based on the individuals processing of the hormones. So I am going to move my blood draw date up and if the results come back low, as I expect them to, I will just stop the Sup3r-3 run early. I have no desire to run it w/o a test base as I feel that my progress would be hampered. Plus, I can't exercise for 2 ~ 3 days after I get the new pellets which puts me after the end of my run anyways (even if the doc could get me in Monday). So best to just save it and put it on the end of my next run, if that turns out to be the case.

On another note I was tired last night and decided to skip my evening shake. I am trying to lean out a little and stopping those seemed like a good place to start. However that plan seemed to backfire. I awoke this morning to weigh in at 195.4 and 37" waistline. WTF. All I can think is the KSM, DIM and Agmatine that are in my night time shakes were more beneficial for my recomp than the extra calories from the protein was counter to weight loss.

I am still using Evomuse Ab Ab in the morning. My bottles of Sup3r-7 and Sup3r-Shred should be here tomorrow (if you can believe the tracking info). So I am wanting to jump into a full-on cut going into the weekend.
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Make sure you drink plenty of water. When I take Anti-inflammatorys I get dehydrated and that can bring on fatigue and head aches.
Good to here the Dr. called them in without the O come in a pay me first BS.

Dont Skip the Shakes. If you are taking Casein before bed change to a 100% whey. that may help with the waistline a little.
 
Studhorse said:
Make sure you drink plenty of water. When I take Anti-inflammatorys I get dehydrated and that can bring on fatigue and head aches.
Good to here the Dr. called them in without the O come in a pay me first BS.

Dont Skip the Shakes. If you are taking Casein before bed change to a 100% whey. that may help with the waistline a little.
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It was mainly casein. I use the Modern Protein Vanilla as my base (I love the flavor). It is a blend of casein, whey and isolate. I add in unflavored casein powder to it along with my other staples (KSM, DIM, etc.).

Why the recommendation to switch to just whey? I always thought casein was better suited for nighttime shakes?

Casein also makes up 30% ~ 40% of my post-workout shakes, as studies showed a percentage of casein to be more beneficial post. I may need to play around a little and see how much benefit (or not) I am getting out of the casein, as it is the most expensive protein I use now (since I backed off of using hydro whey in/as my intra drink).
 
BEAST73 said:
Sparkss, it might be water retention
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Agreed. When I start my cut (this weekend) I am going to cut out creatine as well. That combined with starting the Sup3r-Shred should help shed any water weight.
 
Studhorse said:
Me too probably. But I'm fat and can't hardly tell if it's water.
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I saw your last set of pictures.. no fat that stood out to me, just a solid looking mutha.

I am actually running low on creatine anyways, I will see how things go w/o it and may end up just skipping it all together.

EDIT: Meant to say thanks to both of you for the feedback. I felt like I would be sacrilegious if I said I was forgoing creatine :)
 
Sparkss said:
I saw your last set of pictures.. no fat that stood out to me, just a solid looking mutha.

I am actually running low on creatine anyways, I will see how things go w/o it and may end up just skipping it all together.

EDIT: Meant to say thanks to both of you for the feedback. I felt like I would be sacrilegious if I said I was forgoing creatine :)
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Thanks for the kind words.
And lol on the creatine.
 
took today off due to massive fatigue which I think is due to my TRT needing a boost. Despite that I still feeling a bit sore and tight, like I just worked out. Go figure. So my measurements this morning were 195.2 lbs and 36.5". down from earlier this week, but not dramatically and not enough to be more than just the normal daily fluctuation.

I started Sup3r-7 last night (bedtime dosing) and Sup3r-Shred today (breakfast and lunch dosing). I am still using Absolutely Abliderate in the mornings.

My lab work came back and my test is hovering right above 400, and I thought it was going to come in lower. I know from past experience when I get down in that range I start to loose energy, although to be honest I am surprised at the fatigue I am experiencing as I have been even lower than this before. I strongly suspect that the Sup3r-2 that I am wrapping up is to blame. That the test is not enough to overcome the lethargy from the Sup3r-2 now that it dropped a little. w/o the Sup3r-2 I think I could have gotten another couple of weeks out of this set of pellets. I had established that below 500 and my quality of life suffers. While on TRT it stays right around 620, which is perfect for me (higher would be nice, but 620 works). My E2 was 31, so under range, and I really thought that was going to come in higher. Other than my creatinine levels being high/above the referrence range, my labs all came back good.
 
Sparkss said:
took today off due to massive fatigue which I think is due to my TRT needing a boost. Despite that I still feeling a bit sore and tight, like I just worked out. Go figure. So my measurements this morning were 195.2 lbs and 36.5". down from earlier this week, but not dramatically and not enough to be more than just the normal daily fluctuation.

I started Sup3r-7 last night (bedtime dosing) and Sup3r-Shred today (breakfast and lunch dosing). I am still using Absolutely Abliderate in the mornings.

My lab work came back and my test is hovering right above 400, and I thought it was going to come in lower. I know from past experience when I get down in that range I start to loose energy, although to be honest I am surprised at the fatigue I am experiencing as I have been even lower than this before. I strongly suspect that the Sup3r-2 that I am wrapping up is to blame. That the test is not enough to overcome the lethargy from the Sup3r-2 now that it dropped a little. w/o the Sup3r-2 I think I could have gotten another couple of weeks out of this set of pellets. I had established that below 500 and my quality of life suffers. While on TRT it stays right around 620, which is perfect for me (higher would be nice, but 620 works). My E2 was 31, so under range, and I really thought that was going to come in higher. Other than my creatinine levels being high/above the referrence range, my labs all came back good.
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Sorry to hear brother! You might just need a break. Give it 3-4 days and see how you feel. Might try to force a little cardio in if you can. something lite like a long walk to keep the blood flowing a little. Keep up with your H2O.
 
I took the last couple of days off. Today is my last dose of Sup3r-2, so I figure I will try to get at least a modest workout in.

Yesterday my measurements were a mirror image of the day before, at 195.2 lbs and 36.5". This morning my weight is 194.0 and my waistline up to a hair over 37". I plan to formally start my cut tomorrow (I already have shake mixes prepped through tomorrow, which is why the slight delay in really committing to a cut).

I am still dosing Ab Ab in the morning, and other than wanting to give it a fair shake I struggle in the morning to apply it. It is not so much about the product itself, as it is about me not really liking topicals. I really want to give it a full month before I move on from it, but am not sure if my schedule will allow for that (lots of early morning meetings in the coming weeks with a dress code that I try to avoid combining with any topicals, but that is more about me being potentially messy than the products).

A couple of days into Sup3r-7 (at night) and Sup3r-Shred (at breakfast and lunch). As I mentioned today is my last dose of Sup3r-2. I am also going to take a break from Forslean (F95). I feel like I may have built up a tolerance to it, so a break from it seems like a good idea. I am toying with the idea of adding some ignit3 to my stack, but there are large warnings about mixing with any other source of caffeine, of which I consume a lot. Between the PWOs and multiple cups of coffee each day (I start my day off with a quad shot of espresso) I am not sure I can forgo my normal caffeine sources just to use Ingit3. Although it only contains 300mg caffeine, so I am not sure if that is the limiting factor. I am still doing some reading on the product.
 
2/19 HST Week 8/ Workout 3

*Full Squats - 1-2 Warm-Up Sets + 1 Set x 5 Reps * 115x15 155x15
*Snatch-Grip Deadlifts - 5 Reps * 155x15 XX
*Pendlay Rows - 5 Reps * 155x10 XX
**Underhand Incline BB Row (Medium Grip Chin-Ups) - 5 reps* 155x12
*Incline Bench Press - 5 Reps * 40x15 70x8
Cavalerie Crossover - 5 Reps 50x15
*Shrugs - 5 Reps * 70x12
*Bent-Over Rear Lateral Raises - 5 Reps * 60x10
*Alternating Dumbbell Curls - 5 Reps * 40x11
*Triceps Extensions - 5 Reps * 40x10
*Calf Raises - 5 Reps * 60x25
*Planks (Weighted Crunches - 5 Reps) * 60s
Lower Back Hyper Extensions 20x28

I still lacked energy but wanted to get one last workout in this morning while still on the Sup3r-2 (took the last dose w/ lunch). I pulled back to one set for almost every exercise with just squats and incline press getting a warm up set in first. Since I was short a set on most from previous workouts I took each set pretty much to failure, or where I felt I would fail on the next rep w/o completing it. I had to catch my breath after a couple of the bigger compound exercises (squats, dead lifts, pendlay rows). I worked up a modest sweat by the end.

Today was also the last dose of creatine for me (last pre-made shake I had prepped from before I decided to stop taking creatine for a while).

I also took 2 Ingit3 PWO and 3 w/ lunch (daily dose is 5, but I wanted to split them up). I had no adverse affects from it.

For the next month I am going to focus on high rep ranges as those typically get my heart rate up more and really make me sweat.
 
Sparkss said:
I took the last couple of days off. Today is my last dose of Sup3r-2, so I figure I will try to get at least a modest workout in.

Yesterday my measurements were a mirror image of the day before, at 195.2 lbs and 36.5". This morning my weight is 194.0 and my waistline up to a hair over 37". I plan to formally start my cut tomorrow (I already have shake mixes prepped through tomorrow, which is why the slight delay in really committing to a cut).

I am still dosing Ab Ab in the morning, and other than wanting to give it a fair shake I struggle in the morning to apply it. It is not so much about the product itself, as it is about me not really liking topicals. I really want to give it a full month before I move on from it, but am not sure if my schedule will allow for that (lots of early morning meetings in the coming weeks with a dress code that I try to avoid combining with any topicals, but that is more about me being potentially messy than the products).

A couple of days into Sup3r-7 (at night) and Sup3r-Shred (at breakfast and lunch). As I mentioned today is my last dose of Sup3r-2. I am also going to take a break from Forslean (F95). I feel like I may have built up a tolerance to it, so a break from it seems like a good idea. I am toying with the idea of adding some ignit3 to my stack, but there are large warnings about mixing with any other source of caffeine, of which I consume a lot. Between the PWOs and multiple cups of coffee each day (I start my day off with a quad shot of espresso) I am not sure I can forgo my normal caffeine sources just to use Ingit3. Although it only contains 300mg caffeine, so I am not sure if that is the limiting factor. I am still doing some reading on the product.
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Dam brother quad shot! I drink a pot and 1/2 a day of coffee and understand your concern. I'm getting read to start radiate and will probably take it at noon and try to have 1 cup of coffee after that. Plus my pre on workout days.
I hope your energy level comes back that sucks!
 
Did you take pre Sup3r-2pictures? If so take one today or tomorrow to see the improvements of your run.
 
ELROCK said:
Did you take pre Sup3r-2pictures? If so take one today or tomorrow to see the improvements of your run.
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I have some, I just need to crop them to match the current ones (that I still need to take). I may take them tomorrow morning after I exercise, if I can manage to get a work out in.
 
The doctor's office called yesterday, I am scheduled to go back in and get new pellets next Wednesday. That is the down side of the pellets, having that week or two "lull" in test levels ever 5 months or so. Although my levels were not terribly low, I do blame the Sup3r-2 for the lethargy. I am hoping for a return of energy later this week, or worst case next week, after the new pellets. The upside to the pellets is after next weeks visit I don't have to think about it (TRT) again for another 5 months.

Here are the morning measurements the last two days:

Monday 2/20 weight: 192.2 lbs waistline: <I didn't measure my waistline>
Tuesday 2/21 weight: 191.6 lbs waistline: 35 3/4"

So I am trending down. I suspect I am shedding water weight and glycogen stores. I am on a pretty significant caloric deficit, although I don't know exactly how much (yea, I know, I should count calories much better than I do now). I just know that I am eating significantly less than I was when I was bulking, cutting back on portions and frequency. I also exchanged my nighttime shake for a BCAA drink (added in glutamine, agmatine and a few other supps). I recalled reading somewhere that BCAA and glutamine were good during a deficit to help prevent, or at least minimize muscle loss.

I didn't get a workout in this morning due to being just wiped when I woke up, so I took an extra rest day. My elliptical is acting up (something with one of the speed sensors) and it shuts down after 1 minute, thinking there is no activity, forcing me to keep restarting it. So I need to work on that before I can hit the cardio on mornings when I don't have time (or energy) to get a full workout in.
 
Sparkss said:
The doctor's office called yesterday, I am scheduled to go back in and get new pellets next Wednesday. That is the down side of the pellets, having that week or two "lull" in test levels ever 5 months or so. Although my levels were not terribly low, I do blame the Sup3r-2 for the lethargy. I am hoping for a return of energy later this week, or worst case next week, after the new pellets. The upside to the pellets is after next weeks visit I don't have to think about it (TRT) again for another 5 months.

Here are the morning measurements the last two days:

Monday 2/20 weight: 192.2 lbs waistline: <I didn't measure my waistline>
Tuesday 2/21 weight: 191.6 lbs waistline: 35 3/4"

So I am trending down. I suspect I am shedding water weight and glycogen stores. I am on a pretty significant caloric deficit, although I don't know exactly how much (yea, I know, I should count calories much better than I do now). I just know that I am eating significantly less than I was when I was bulking, cutting back on portions and frequency. I also exchanged my nighttime shake for a BCAA drink (added in glutamine, agmatine and a few other supps). I recalled reading somewhere that BCAA and glutamine were good during a deficit to help prevent, or at least minimize muscle loss.

I didn't get a workout in this morning due to being just wiped when I woke up, so I took an extra rest day. My elliptical is acting up (something with one of the speed sensors) and it shuts down after 1 minute, thinking there is no activity, forcing me to keep restarting it. So I need to work on that before I can hit the cardio on mornings when I don't have time (or energy) to get a full workout in.
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Dam, Big drop in the waist line!
Really need to track your Calories/fat/carbs/PROTEIN.
I just started doing it on myfitnesspal app (Free) and Its so much easier than writing it down. Especially after you use it for a while. I trend to eat the same things and it easy to search those foods , even brand names. Brandinooooo showed me the light on this one.

Much easier than keeping notes and a paper log.
 
Studhorse said:
Dam, Big drop in the waist line!
Really need to track your Calories/fat/carbs/PROTEIN.
I just started doing it on myfitnesspal app (Free) and Its so much easier than writing it down. Especially after you use it for a while. I trend to eat the same things and it easy to search those foods , even brand names. Brandinooooo showed me the light on this one.

Much easier than keeping notes and a paper log.
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I think that the drop is mainly just water and bloat. I stopped creatine over the weekend and am cutting back on calories so I hope the rapid progression keeps up, but expect it to stall out sooner than later.
 
Dam you must hold a lot of water. when my water weight is up I don't gain more than a 1/4" in my waist if even measurable.
from 36.5 to 35.75 thats a lot.
 
weighed in at 190.6 this morning. Waistline is relatively unchanged, hovering around 35 3/4, although a little less, but it is hard not to hold my stomach in when measuring. I do ensure my measurements are taken with "relaxed" and not "tensed" abs. But more importantly is I look leaner in the mirror, even if only marginally so.

I am still on Sup3r-Shred, Sup3r-7 and Ignit3. I have dropped most everything else.

I think I am pretty low in cortisol now too, possibly due to the KSM-66 (and I thought at least one other supp has a cortisol control effect). I am feeling sore joints even though I have only worked out twice in the last week, and the last exercise was relatively light and 3 days ago. If I recall dry joints is a low cortisol indicator. If that is the case then I guess I was relatively low all along (as I had suspected) but that the exercise had been enough "stress" to raise it high enough not to have low cortisol symptoms. But I am just speculating.

It will be at least Friday before I can get another workout in as it is. I am in early morning start, all-day meetings today and tomorrow. I am also tied up Saturday with a family event (manning a Girl Scout cookie booth with my daughter and her troop). That is at a time where there is not enough time for me to workout and shower before hand, and as you may recall I don't like working out after noon. Then next week will be a "short" workout week as I get the new pellets on Wednesday and can't do anything strenuous for 2 or 3 days post-implantation (I forget which one). After I get the pellets though I expect my energy level to return and plan to hit it hard that following week :). We have family coming into town/staying with us the week after that, so I want to be as lean as possible before they get here, so I may even do a modified split to workout 5 days, to optimize the fat loss. I may be getting ahead of myself, but those are my plans :).
 
weight down to 190.2 this morning, waistline however crept up a little to just under 36". Yesterday was not the best for dietary intake. Lunch was at the mercy of the meeting coordinators, as will today's lunch be. But all in all not too terrible. I am actually feeling a little more energy, but still not sure how tomorrow's workout will go for me.
 
189.6 lbs and just under 36" (still) this morning. I continue with the caloric restrictions and taking Sup3r-7, Sup3r-Shred and Ignit3.

I just received the LGD and MK-677 that I had ordered. A little ahead of when I expected to get it. I want to wait for another week or so before I start anything and am wondering if I won't wait even more due to relatives coming into town (which will interfere with my workouts for the week they are here). I was going to wait until after they left to start LGD and MK, but may use that week to start the loading process as I have read it takes LGD several weeks to "kick in" anyways. Any thoughts on taking it when I know I will not be able to workout for up to a week? I plan to run for at least 8, up to 12 weeks anyways. I definitely do not want to start MK since I am cutting and don't want to chance, or deal with, the hunger I have read about, at least not until after the relatives leave and I care less about appearances :). But I have read that LGD can help with a cut and maintaining muscle mass, so I am giving it serious consideration.

My last labs showed good liver levels and other health markers, so I am not so much worried about that, especially since LGD is not known to cause any of those issues.
 
Sparkss said:
189.6 lbs and just under 36" (still) this morning. I continue with the caloric restrictions and taking Sup3r-7, Sup3r-Shred and Ignit3.

I just received the LGD and MK-677 that I had ordered. A little ahead of when I expected to get it. I want to wait for another week or so before I start anything and am wondering if I won't wait even more due to relatives coming into town (which will interfere with my workouts for the week they are here). I was going to wait until after they left to start LGD and MK, but may use that week to start the loading process as I have read it takes LGD several weeks to "kick in" anyways. Any thoughts on taking it when I know I will not be able to workout for up to a week? I plan to run for at least 8, up to 12 weeks anyways. I definitely do not want to start MK since I am cutting and don't want to chance, or deal with, the hunger I have read about, at least not until after the relatives leave and I care less about appearances :). But I have read that LGD can help with a cut and maintaining muscle mass, so I am giving it serious consideration.

My last labs showed good liver levels and other health markers, so I am not so much worried about that, especially since LGD is not known to cause any of those issues.
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You going to log this?
 
Sparkss said:
189.6 lbs and just under 36" (still) this morning. I continue with the caloric restrictions and taking Sup3r-7, Sup3r-Shred and Ignit3.

I just received the LGD and MK-677 that I had ordered. A little ahead of when I expected to get it. I want to wait for another week or so before I start anything and am wondering if I won't wait even more due to relatives coming into town (which will interfere with my workouts for the week they are here). I was going to wait until after they left to start LGD and MK, but may use that week to start the loading process as I have read it takes LGD several weeks to "kick in" anyways. Any thoughts on taking it when I know I will not be able to workout for up to a week? I plan to run for at least 8, up to 12 weeks anyways. I definitely do not want to start MK since I am cutting and don't want to chance, or deal with, the hunger I have read about, at least not until after the relatives leave and I care less about appearances :). But I have read that LGD can help with a cut and maintaining muscle mass, so I am giving it serious consideration.

My last labs showed good liver levels and other health markers, so I am not so much worried about that, especially since LGD is not known to cause any of those issues.
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How were your lipids and hematocrit on the bloodwork you did while running the Sup3r-2?
 
Sparkss said:
189.6 lbs and just under 36" (still) this morning. I continue with the caloric restrictions and taking Sup3r-7, Sup3r-Shred and Ignit3.

I just received the LGD and MK-677 that I had ordered. A little ahead of when I expected to get it. I want to wait for another week or so before I start anything and am wondering if I won't wait even more due to relatives coming into town (which will interfere with my workouts for the week they are here). I was going to wait until after they left to start LGD and MK, but may use that week to start the loading process as I have read it takes LGD several weeks to "kick in" anyways. Any thoughts on taking it when I know I will not be able to workout for up to a week? I plan to run for at least 8, up to 12 weeks anyways. I definitely do not want to start MK since I am cutting and don't want to chance, or deal with, the hunger I have read about, at least not until after the relatives leave and I care less about appearances :). But I have read that LGD can help with a cut and maintaining muscle mass, so I am giving it serious consideration.

My last labs showed good liver levels and other health markers, so I am not so much worried about that, especially since LGD is not known to cause any of those issues.
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After some runs with GH secretagogues, I changed my mind about them -and don't use them anymore (exception: may be with slin).
IMHO, MK needs a lot of time to be beneficial for body re-composition. It could (will) bloat you up, gives you hunger, can mess with your sleep and lowers insulin sensitivity.
LGD for a cut, well, you can cut on anything -but LGD is more of a bulker, especially together with MK (hunger).
There are lots of PH's out there for cutting -but I'm not the best adviser on anything, maybe you could ask smith_69 .
 
ELROCK said:
How were your lipids and hematocrit on the bloodwork you did while running the Sup3r-2?
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Lipids took a hit, hemocrit actually improved.

I forgot to add in the lipid panel on my last set of labs, but I did one about mid-way through and the lipids were in the tank. Since then I have added policosanol to my supps. I am kicking myself for forgetting to get the lipids on the last test to see if that made any difference taking it during the run, or if they were better off just using to help recover the lipids afterwards. AST/ALT were great on the last labs, so no liver issues at all, and I did have the occasional glass of wine at night during that run.

EDIT: I also started taking NAC daily, just to be on the safe side (and because it was pretty inexpensive in general)
 
hairygrandpa said:
After some runs with GH secretagogues, I changed my mind about them -and don't use them anymore (exception: may be with slin).
IMHO, MK needs a lot of time to be beneficial for body re-composition. It could (will) bloat you up, gives you hunger, can mess with your sleep and lowers insulin sensitivity.
LGD for a cut, well, you can cut on anything -but LGD is more of a bulker, especially together with MK (hunger).
There are lots of PH's out there for cutting -but I'm not the best adviser on anything, maybe you could ask smith_69 .
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I agree and had always thought of LGD as a bulker, which is also what I bought it for. I just saw thorsdad31 have more recomp effects from it on his current run, so I just wanted to explore that option a bit. :)
 
Sparkss said:
I agree and had always thought of LGD as a bulker, which is also what I bought it for. I just saw thorsdad31 have more recomp effects from it on his current run, so I just wanted to explore that option a bit. :)
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Everyone is different, give it a try and you will know more :)
If MK messes with your well being too much, you just drop it. TRT and LGD is a good combo by itself. :)
 
hairygrandpa said:
Everyone is different, give it a try and you will know more :)
If MK messes with your well being too much, you just drop it. TRT and LGD is a good combo by itself. :)
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yea, what I was thinking too :)

I do plan to run it, just unsure on when I will start. I just know that over the next 2 months there were be several times where life events (work or family) that will prevent me from working out for a week at a stretch. If I wait until after all of that (and there is no guarantee that something else won't come up afterwards) then I am 2 months into the 4.5 ~ 5 month duration on the TRT pellets, and I like to be as "clean" as I can for my post/pre pellet labs, which doesn't give me a heckuva lot of time for a cycle, not enough to make it worthwhile. I will probably wait until after the relatives leave town, which puts me 5 weeks post Sup3r-2, which while mild, still impacted my lipids (but nothing else). I am a little blase about lipids since I constantly read about "XX% of Americans have high cholesterol for years and don't know it until they take a test. I do plan to take a lipid panel test (they are cheap for just a finger-stick lipid panel) before I start the LGD, but if my levels are even close to good I will probably jump in and just plan to run clean for the rest of the summer to get everything back in line.
 
Here is a chart of my last 2 sets of labs. Not every workup had the same tests. I also misspoke that my hemocrit did go up a little, but not alarmingly so, and I had higher than this hemocrit a couple of years ago, before TRT or anything else.

................Range...........11/3/2016...1/10/2017...2/16/2017
Hematocrit......37.5-51.0 %......44.4.........XXX..........47.2
BUN.............6-24 mg/dL.......30...........XXX..........25
Creatinine....0.76-1.27 mg/dL....1.23.........XXX..........1.33
AST (SGOT)......0-40 IU/L........28...........XXX..........22
ALT (SGPT)......0-44 IU/L........32...........XXX..........23
Cholesterol(T)..100-199 mg/dL....151..........178..........XXX
Triglycerides....0-149 mg/dL.....127..........259..........XXX
HDL Cholesterol...>39 mg/dL......37...........19...........XXX
VLDL Cholesterol..5-40 mg/dL.....25...........XXX..........XXX
LDL Cholesterol...0-99 mg/dL.....89...........107..........XXX


You can see that the lipids, especially the Triglycerides, took a beating. That last test was less than 3 weeks into the Sup3r-2 run.
 
I googled Triglycerides

Triglycerides may be the easiest to understand.

Simply put, they are fat in the blood. They are used to give energy to your body. If you have extras, they are stored in different places in case they are needed later.
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So basically those high levels are telling me that my blood is fat LOL
 
Sparkss said:
Here is a chart of my last 2 sets of labs. Not every workup had the same tests. I also misspoke that my hemocrit did go up a little, but not alarmingly so, and I had higher than this hemocrit a couple of years ago, before TRT or anything else.

................Range...........11/3/2016...1/10/2017...2/16/2017
Hematocrit......37.5-51.0 %......44.4.........XXX..........47.2
BUN.............6-24 mg/dL.......30...........XXX..........25
Creatinine....0.76-1.27 mg/dL....1.23.........XXX..........1.33
AST (SGOT)......0-40 IU/L........28...........XXX..........22
ALT (SGPT)......0-44 IU/L........32...........XXX..........23
Cholesterol(T)..100-199 mg/dL....151..........178..........XXX
Triglycerides....0-149 mg/dL.....127..........259..........XXX
HDL Cholesterol...>39 mg/dL......37...........19...........XXX
VLDL Cholesterol..5-40 mg/dL.....25...........XXX..........XXX
LDL Cholesterol...0-99 mg/dL.....89...........107..........XXX


You can see that the lipids, especially the Triglycerides, took a beating. That last test was less than 3 weeks into the Sup3r-2 run.
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Thanks for posting the labs up man! I donated blood yesterday just to be safe since I have been on the Sup3r-2 for 4 weeks now. I will get bloods again after PCT is finished to see where my levels are then.
 
ELROCK said:
Thanks for posting the labs up man! I donated blood yesterday just to be safe since I have been on the Sup3r-2 for 4 weeks now. I will get bloods again after PCT is finished to see where my levels are then.
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I did get test and estro levels, but didn't post them since being on TRT sort of negates the value of those, outside of regulating my TRT doses. I hope my lipids come back in line pretty quickly, if the lipid panel is cheap enough I may go do one next week, then if they aren't great I will do another one just before I start LGD. If it is cost prohibitive then I will just wait and do one in a couple of weeks before I start LGD. :)
 
When my Triglycerides are high, I take Niacin 2x 1g x day, for 2-3 weeks. Works like a charm!
 
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