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Any Experience With 1,4 Andro?

210LBS

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Wondering if anyone here has used 1,4 andro? Haven't seen anything about it here. You can find it in Hi Tech's Equibolin. Seems like the product may be a bit underdosed at only 75mgs per tablet since I've heard minimum effective doses are usually 600mgs. Anyone used it? Any results and/or side effects to report?
 
OL andros (elite versions) and super mandro & mandro the giant have the 300mg minimum you want per products. They both have added absorption technologies as well. The mandros use hi-techs liposomal technology (you just get more actives in the mandros). Can't go wrong with either brand in terms of reliability and efficacy. See below for info on the product and the study done which validates how well they work.

http://www.strongsupplementshop.com/super-mandro-by-hard-rock-supplements

If it's your first cycle I would start there and do a 6-8 week run. Can pack on some good clean mass and minimal sides. Do you have pct lined up?
 
210LBS said:
Wondering if anyone here has used 1,4 andro? Haven't seen anything about it here. You can find it in Hi Tech's Equibolin. Seems like the product may be a bit underdosed at only 75mgs per tablet since I've heard minimum effective doses are usually 600mgs. Anyone used it? Any results and/or side effects to report?
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1-4 was my first cycle 330 mgs 6 week 13 pounds of muscle
 
Guize, I think he talkin bout 1,4dhea NOT 1dhea and 4dhea....one compound vs two.
 
Nac said:
Guize, I think he talkin bout 1,4dhea NOT 1dhea and 4dhea....one compound vs two.
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^^^Yep, I believe you're right. IIRC, 1,4 DHEA was supposed to be 2-step ph to Boldenone(Equipoise). I have never tried it nor seen any anecdotal feedback or logs on this forum.
 
Jebrook said:
^^^Yep, I believe you're right. IIRC, 1,4 DHEA was supposed to be 2-step ph to Boldenone(Equipoise). I have never tried it nor seen any anecdotal feedback or logs on this forum.
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Ahhhh makes sense now. I remember bold pre ban but didn't realize high-tech came out with a two stepper that can theoretically convert. Disregard my previous post.
 
In PCT now from OLs 1/4/Epi andro dosed 330/330/750. 10 week cycle. Gained 4.5 kg muscle, 4.4 kg fat and 2.5 kg water weight which fell off 2 weeks into PCT. Not a bad compound for what it is but then again I went HAM in the gym 6 days a week.

Edit-2.5 kg water weight
 
Agreed with afi140 on this one. Supermandro and andro the giant are dosed perfectly for a 1/4 andro stack. Check out the logs below:

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I was referring to 1,4 andro not 1-andro and 4-andro. Sorry about the confusion. I haven't seen anything on it so I was wondering if anyone here has used it.
 
210LBS said:
I was referring to 1,4 andro not 1-andro and 4-andro. Sorry about the confusion. I haven't seen anything on it so I was wondering if anyone here has used it.
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Neither have I. If you run it throw up some feedback :)
 
Just check out lg sciences pbold. Been out for a few years so there should be feedback. Also there is a supp called Helladrol by Innovative Labs. That is a combo of 4dhea and a couple diff bold pros and it has cyclo whatever delivery..
I have no experience with any of those though.
 
shanedoolie1 said:
Just check out lg sciences pbold. Been out for a few years so there should be feedback. Also there is a supp called Helladrol by Innovative Labs. That is a combo of 4dhea and a couple diff bold pros and it has cyclo whatever delivery..
I have no experience with any of those though.
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Thanks. I really don't want to go by Helladrol reviews because it is a prop blend of several prohormones and I'm looking for specific feedback on 1,4 andro at known dosages. Also, it will help give me more clarity about side effects users may have experienced. Thanks for pointing out LG pBold though. The only thing is that pBold is dosed at only 50mgs per pill. From my understanding, 1,4 andro is usually run up to as high as 1000mgs, and pBold is dosed even lower than Equibolin. I'd imagine these doses would make for a very very mild run. Perhaps it would be better off being run alongside another andro like 1-DHEA because of how mild it is. I'm also interested in side effects (hairloss) in regards to 1,4. From what I've read 1-DHEA was supposed to be easiest on the hairline, however other peoples experiences have showed otherwise. So far it seems like 19nor is the lightest on the hairline out of the andros today from what I've read.
 
210LBS said:
Thanks. I really don't want to go by Helladrol reviews because it is a prop blend of several prohormones and I'm looking for specific feedback on 1,4 andro at known dosages. Also, it will help give me more clarity about side effects users may have experienced. Thanks for pointing out LG pBold though. The only thing is that pBold is dosed at only 50mgs per pill. From my understanding, 1,4 andro is usually run up to as high as 1000mgs, and pBold is dosed even lower than Equibolin. I'd imagine these doses would make for a very very mild run. Perhaps it would be better off being run alongside another andro like 1-DHEA because of how mild it is. I'm also interested in side effects (hairloss) in regards to 1,4. From what I've read 1-DHEA was supposed to be easiest on the hairline, however other peoples experiences have showed otherwise. So far it seems like 19nor is the lightest on the hairline out of the andros today from what I've read.
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I'm not positive but I think the 600-1000mg guideline was before the new delivery systems, cyclo, sedds, ect. So that might play a part in the lower dosing. The pbold is also like half the price of any hitech stuff so you could easily double or triple up the dose with a couple bottles.
 
shanedoolie1 said:
Plus, doesn't hitechs ph's have a prop blend of a bunch of plants in them too?
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That's true that LG is cheaper. Hi Tech's isn't a prop blend it is 75mgs of 1,4 plus 250mgs of rhaponticum carthamoides. LG is 50mgs 1,4 plus 50mgs epicatechin. That's true about the new delivery system too, perhaps it would make a big difference with such smaller doses.
 
Honestly I don't think anything will make a big difference with andro/dhea ph's. Imo they are worthless...to me at least. For gains you have to stack 3 or 4 diff ones at $50 a bottle average, then just to get it dosed at a decent amount your gonna need 2-4 bottles. That will get you 4-6 weeks worth. Then you add in your pct costs... It ends up costing a f#ck ton! And for what? If your lucky you might get an 8lb gain out it if everything goes perfect and you work your ass off. Thats just ridiculous. I'm sure some people have got some gains from just using 1 bottle of this, or 1 bottle of that but thats usually people that are fairly new to working out and would have gotten the same results from a quality post workout formula and some zma...
Sorry im rambling and I'm sure many disagree. I feel like I see the market different from most.
 
shanedoolie1 said:
Honestly I don't think anything will make a big difference with andro/dhea ph's. Imo they are worthless...to me at least. For gains you have to stack 3 or 4 diff ones at $50 a bottle average, then just to get it dosed at a decent amount your gonna need 2-4 bottles. That will get you 4-6 weeks worth. Then you add in your pct costs... It ends up costing a f#ck ton! And for what? If your lucky you might get an 8lb gain out it if everything goes perfect and you work your ass off. Thats just ridiculous. I'm sure some people have got some gains from just using 1 bottle of this, or 1 bottle of that but thats usually people that are fairly new to working out and would have gotten the same results from a quality post workout formula and some zma...
Sorry im rambling and I'm sure many disagree. I feel like I see the market different from most.
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No I somewhat agree from some of the logs I've seen. I was looking at possibly 19nor at 330mgs per day for 40 days and then thought of maybe throwing 1,4 in the mix for a first cycle but I've been playing with the idea in my head for a while now and can't seem to pull the trigger. I'm looking at the old school stuff like H-drol now but still not sure. I'm fine with modest gains if it means modest to zero side effects haha.
 
210LBS said:
No I somewhat agree from some of the logs I've seen. I was looking at possibly 19nor at 330mgs per day for 40 days and then thought of maybe throwing 1,4 in the mix for a first cycle but I've been playing with the idea in my head for a while now and can't seem to pull the trigger. I'm looking at the old school stuff like H-drol now but still not sure. I'm fine with modest gains if it means modest to zero side effects haha.
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Yea I'm very biased sometimes...not meaning to be.
I shouldn't really write off things like that as useless because they arn't for a first cycle. I guess they would be a good first cycle. My first cycle was long ago so I don't look at it from that perspective sometimes. Good luck with whatever you do buddy! :)
 
shanedoolie1 said:
Yea I'm very biased sometimes...not meaning to be.
I shouldn't really write off things like that as useless because they arn't for a first cycle. I guess they would be a good first cycle. My first cycle was long ago so I don't look at it from that perspective sometimes. Good luck with whatever you do buddy! :)
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Haha it's all good. There's only a 50/50 chance I'll take the plunge anyway.
 
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