Donald Trump running for president

ax1 said:
That's not the point I'm making, in the areas of interest the % wouldnt be the same but much higher. They can let Tennessee go and not worry about it.

I don't really have the answers other that I'm 100% positive it's a fact election rigging is going on just don't know to what extent excactly , I'm not so sure we will ever know. I can tell you Ron Paul still doesn't have his vote count from 4 and 8 years ago that's the truth, lol
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Yeah, I know the % may not be the same. People have been studying this for years, is my point.

Now Dump is going to spend more taxpayer money on something that's really not needed IMO.

It would be funny if they found out the opposite though. Of course, we'd never hear about it now that he's in charge.
 
Maybe you didn't read the Wapo article I linked to yesterday where researchers polled people that admitted to being illegals and admitted to voting in the last few years. How about the 60% of MICHIGAN precincts were tainted and found to have voting machines tallied many more votes than registered voters. I'm sure there's not much going on in TN, because it's not a democrat stronghold.
 
Misfit28 said:
Yeah, I know the % may not be the same. People have been studying this for years, is my point.

Now Dump is going to spend more taxpayer money on something that's really not needed IMO.

It would be funny if they found out the opposite though. Of course, we'd never hear about it now that he's in charge.
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But there are other people with contrary views that have also been studying this for years, but these are the "alternative fact" people that dont get dibs for appearances on CiaNN.
 
youngandfree said:
Maybe you didn't read the Wapo article I linked to yesterday where researchers polled people that admitted to being illegals and admitted to voting in the last few years. How about the 60% of MICHIGAN precincts were tainted and found to have voting machines tallied many more votes than registered voters. I'm sure there's not much going on in TN, because it's not a democrat stronghold.
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The article that stated that 2.2% of non-citizens voted? The current estimate is 42.4 million non-citizens in the US.

What is that, less than a million?
 
youngandfree said:
Maybe you didn't read the Wapo article I linked to yesterday where researchers polled people that admitted to being illegals and admitted to voting in the last few years. How about the 60% of MICHIGAN precincts were tainted and found to have voting machines tallied many more votes than registered voters. I'm sure there's not much going on in TN, because it's not a democrat stronghold.
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this is a valid point[at least in my mind]...california is such a fervent democratic stronghold that it seems if llegals were voting there they would turn a blind eye since 90%[at least] of illegals would vote democratic....judging by the extremes that democrats will go to in their anti-trump efforts I would not be surprised if democratic precinct captains were encouraging illegals to vote.
 
thebigt said:
this is a valid point[at least in my mind]...california is such a fervent democratic stronghold that it seems if llegals were voting there they would turn a blind eye since 90%[at least] of illegals would vote democratic....judging by the extremes that democrats will go to in their anti-trump efforts I would not be surprised if democratic precinct captains were encouraging illegals to vote.
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There is also another issue of gathering votes from the deceased. Its really easy to pull off.
 
ax1 said:
There is also another issue of gathering votes from the deceased. Its really easy to pull off.
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California grants legal driving licenses to illegals and that is all you need to vote...c;mon now!!!!

if ever there was an election that would be of interest to illegals this one was it...dumbass american's are going to let me vote for the American president, even though I am an illegal Mexican...geez, those american's are f*cking idiots!!!
 
thebigt said:
California grants legal driving licenses to illegals and that is all you need to vote...c;mon now!!!!

if ever there was an election that would be of interest to illegals this one was it...dumbass american's are going to let me vote for the American president, even though I am an illegal Mexican...geez, those american's are f*cking idiots!!!
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Misfit28 said:
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there are safeguards in place...but who is in charge of the safeguards? there were are also safeguards in place at the IRS, look how well that turned out!!!

seriously California is so crazily democratic and anti-trump that I can actually believe a conspiracy to cover up could be at play here!!!
 
thebigt said:
there are safeguards in place...but who is in charge of the safeguards? there were are also safeguards in place at the IRS, look how well that turned out!!!

seriously California is so crazily democratic and anti-trump that I can actually believe a conspiracy to cover up could be at play here!!!
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Just think, anti Trump people feel the same way about Trump supporters.

I honestly don't believe anything he says. When they have proof that can be verified, I'll believe it. Until then, not a chance.
 
Misfit28 said:
Just think, anti Trump people feel the same way about Trump supporters.

I honestly don't believe anything he says. When they have proof that can be verified, I'll believe it. Until then, not a chance.
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it is enough [for me at least] that you consider this a possibility!!! I could never imagine a secret service agent publically announcing that she would not protect a sitting president---the hate for trump is SO strong that it is hard to draw a line on what lengths the anti-trumpers will go!!!
 
thebigt said:
it is enough [for me at least] that you consider this a possibility!!! I could never imagine a secret service agent publically announcing that she would not protect a sitting president---the hate for trump is SO strong that it is hard to draw a line on what lengths the anti-trumpers will go!!!
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There's a reason. He is a polarizing figure.

You seem to forget how much hate was directed towards Obama the last eight years.
 
Misfit28 said:
There's a reason. He is a polarizing figure.

You seem to forget how much hate was directed towards Obama the last eight years.
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I don't remember riots in the street, or celebrities talking about blowing up the white house, lol. actually you never hear much from the pro-trumpers, where are they?
 
Misfit28 said:
There's a reason. He is a polarizing figure.

You seem to forget how much hate was directed towards Obama the last eight years.
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Obama has no one to blame but himself, he is a terrorist and belongs behind bars for life.
 
Misfit28 said:
Trump already has blood on his hands less than a week in office. Now he's talking torture.
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Depends on your point of view. There is a cancer in the middle east, Obama, Hitlery, some members in congress along with the Military Industrial Complex created it. Now from the point of view of treating the issue with chemotherapy, Dump being the chemo machine directly trying to clean up the cancer then I can understand that point of view because this level of terrorism and warfare is out of hand. Now from my own point of view, of course you know what I stand for, full pull out and non-interventionsim.

This is totally different from Obama's 8 years if you want to compare to the past 6, but I really have to wait and see how this goes before I label Dump a terrorist.
 
ax1 said:
Depends on your point of view. There is a cancer in the middle east, Obama, Hitlery, some members in congress along with the Military Industrial Complex created it. Now from the point of view of treating the issue with chemotherapy, Dump being the chemo machine directly trying to clean up the cancer then I can understand that point of view because this level of terrorism and warfare is out of hand. Now from my own point of view, of course you know what I stand for, full pull out and non-interventionsim.

This is totally different from Obama's 8 years if you want to compare to the past 6, but I really have to wait and see how this goes before I label Dump a terrorist.
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Yeah, we'll see for sure. I don't have much hope, though.
 
ax1 said:
Depends on your point of view. There is a cancer in the middle east, Obama, Hitlery, some members in congress along with the Military Industrial Complex created it. Now from the point of view of treating the issue with chemotherapy, Dump being the chemo machine directly trying to clean up the cancer then I can understand that point of view because this level of terrorism and warfare is out of hand. Now from my own point of view, of course you know what I stand for, full pull out and non-interventionsim.

This is totally different from Obama's 8 years if you want to compare to the past 6, but I really have to wait and see how this goes before I label Dump a terrorist.
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To re-phrase, Obama directly armed, funded and trained radical jihadies. Dump is directly trying to clean up Obama's terrorist armies, but again I have to see how this acts out.
 
Misfit28 said:
Trump already has blood on his hands less than a week in office. Now he's talking torture.
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Of course if I can claim one insane thing he has said is that he is going to completely wipe out radical islam from the face of the earth. This aint happening, we cant even get rid of Nazi ideology in 2017 ROFL!
 
Misfit28 said:
Yeah, I read that. The thing is, the American people have to foot the bill first at 15-20 billion. We all know that government projects never go over budget, either ;)
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Lets not forget maintenance....it will be a permanent cost in tax payer money.

I predict the earth will turn into Swiss Cheese.
 
ax1 said:
Lets not forget maintenance....it will be a permanent cost in tax payer money.

I predict the earth will turn into Swiss Cheese.
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Hope noone likes Corona or avocados ;)

Those higher tariffs will be paid for by Americans through higher priced goods.

And if we don't buy from Mexico, the wall won't get paid for.... And it will be added to the deficit.
 
Misfit28 said:
Hope noone likes Corona or avocados ;)

Those higher tariffs will be paid for by Americans through higher priced goods.

And if we don't buy from Mexico, the wall won't get paid for.... And it will be added to the deficit.
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May god helps us all, I love both those things. Guacamole is already too expensive at Mexican restaurants.
 
Misfit28 said:
The article that stated that 2.2% of non-citizens voted? The current estimate is 42.4 million non-citizens in the US.

What is that, less than a million?
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From that article:

Because non-citizens tended to favor Democrats (Obama won more than 80 percent of the votes of non-citizens in the 2008 CCES sample), we find that this participation was large enough to plausibly account for Democratic victories in a few close elections. Non-citizen votes could have given Senate Democrats the pivotal 60th vote needed to overcome filibusters in order to pass health-care reform and other Obama administration priorities in the 111th Congress. Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.) won election in 2008 with a victory margin of 312 votes. Votes cast by just 0.65 percent of Minnesota non-citizens could account for this margin. It is also possible that non-citizen votes were responsible for Obama’s 2008 victory in North Carolina. Obama won the state by 14,177 votes, so a turnout by 5.1 percent of North Carolina’s adult non-citizens would have provided this victory margin."
 
youngandfree said:
From that article:

Because non-citizens tended to favor Democrats (Obama won more than 80 percent of the votes of non-citizens in the 2008 CCES sample), we find that this participation was large enough to plausibly account for Democratic victories in a few close elections. Non-citizen votes could have given Senate Democrats the pivotal 60th vote needed to overcome filibusters in order to pass health-care reform and other Obama administration priorities in the 111th Congress. Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.) won election in 2008 with a victory margin of 312 votes. Votes cast by just 0.65 percent of Minnesota non-citizens could account for this margin. It is also possible that non-citizen votes were responsible for Obama’s 2008 victory in North Carolina. Obama won the state by 14,177 votes, so a turnout by 5.1 percent of North Carolina’s adult non-citizens would have provided this victory margin."
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So now you're saying Obama won the election against Romney by a small margin.
 
Misfit28 said:
There were drone attacks in Yemen.
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Ok. Obama sent stealth bombers to Syria 2 days before vacating. Mad Dog Mattis did airstrikes his first couple days. That's what has been going on for 10+ years. How do you make it a terrible thing because President Trump did it. At least he didn't campaign on ending the wars and got a peace prize before doing anything.
 
youngandfree said:
Ok. Obama sent stealth bombers to Syria 2 days before vacating. Mad Dog Mattis did airstrikes his first couple days. That's what has been going on for 10+ years. How do you make it a terrible thing because President Trump did it. At least he didn't campaign on ending the wars and got a peace prize before doing anything.
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Everybody made it a bad thing when Obama was in office and was blamed for everything Bush did. Why is this different?

I'm sure Trump won't disappoint when it comes to killing people.
 
Misfit28 said:
So now you're saying Obama won the election against Romney by a small margin.
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I didn't say anything. The researchers and WaPo said illegals could have affected the outcome in NC. They said illegals could have affected the MN election that Franken stole from Norm Coleman.
 
youngandfree said:
I didn't say anything. The researchers and WaPo said illegals could have affected the outcome in NC. They said illegals could have affected the MN election that Franken stole from Norm Coleman.
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Just nevermind, the point I was making is that illegals voting wouldn't have been a large enough difference to make Trump b lose the popular vote.
 
Misfit28 said:
Everybody made it a bad thing when Obama was in office and was blamed for everything Bush did. Why is this different?

I'm sure Trump won't disappoint when it comes to killing people.
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You mean Obama blamed everything on Bush. How did Obama get blamed for Bush drone strikes?
 
youngandfree said:
You mean Obama blamed everything on Bush. How did Obama get blamed for Bush drone strikes?
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Barry Soetoro, the step son of a general of a genocidalist dictator of indonesia ended the Afghan war in 2025!!!! ROFL! And he takes credit for ending wars well after he leaves office! I know I always bring this up, but how people fall for this krap!!!!
 
youngandfree said:
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Good old Washington "Times" again, huh? Nice alternative fact finding.

Here's a paper from the people who own the database that the authors of the paper referenced above drew their information from:

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Basically, the claims in that paper were a result of errors in the data.
 
So they published results of a survey they conducted. Then a professor reports the details of said data. Then the author of study goes back to refute the data in their own study because it shows illegals admitted to voting. Instead of them admitting their study was flawed when they published the results originally. Nothing shady about that.
 
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Since Harvard seeks to actively protect illegals, it makes sense that the Harvard researchers feel compelled to explain away the results of their own study.
 
youngandfree said:
So they published results of a professor reports the details of said data. Then the author of study goes back to refute the data in their own study because it shows illegals admitted to voting. Instead of them admitting their study was flawed when they published the results originally. Nothing shady about that.
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Did you even read it? It wasn't the same authors. This study is from the people who own the data that the study you referenced used for their analysis.

It explains how a small error in a large dataset can skew results immensely. You know, statistical analysis methods.

What's shady is your reliance on the "Washington Times" for "news".

If it was that big a story don't you think the Google results would show something besides obviously partisan sites? Dig a little deeper, man.
 
youngandfree said:
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Since Harvard seeks to actively protect illegals, it makes sense that the Harvard researchers feel compelled to explain away the results of their own study.
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So now Harvard isn't reputable. Gotcha.

Did you read the study or not?

Can you refute the findings of that study? If not, you're wasting my time.

EDIT: It's actually quite apparent you didn't read the study. They are questioning a non-Harvard study. That's how science works, peer review. The study authors are not the same.

Town and Country Magazine is more reputable than a university study now?
 
ax1 said:
Depends on your point of view. There is a cancer in the middle east, Obama, Hitlery, some members in congress along with the Military Industrial Complex created it. Now from the point of view of treating the issue with chemotherapy, Dump being the chemo machine directly trying to clean up the cancer then I can understand that point of view because this level of terrorism and warfare is out of hand. Now from my own point of view, of course you know what I stand for, full pull out and non-interventionsim.

This is totally different from Obama's 8 years if you want to compare to the past 6, but I really have to wait and see how this goes before I label Dump a terrorist.
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It goes back further than Obama and everything that Trump is proposing will only create more terrorists.
 
Aleksandar37 said:
It's sad and amusing that you find intelligence to be a bad quality.
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It's funny you guys make accusations like you do. I never said that Harvard wasn't reputable or unintelligent. I said they are biased toward liberal ideology, and seek to protect illegals on their campus. Which ties in to their desire to discredit their own data.
 
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