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First Cycle Critique/Advice

K.Dunn

New member
Good evening all,

After months of research I think I am finally ready to jump off the natty train and give an entry level PH run a go, but I would love any and all feedback you more experienced members can offer before I order. I have a few additional questions, but mainly I want to make sure I have everything lined out properly.

Planned cycle is as follows:

ON CYCLE

OL Sup3r-1 Elite: Weeks 1-8 at 330
OL Sup3r-Epi Elite: Weeks 1-8 at 500 (may bump to 750 depending on lethargy and/or libido issues)

PCT

Nolva: Weeks 9-12 at 20/20/10/10
OL King's Blood: Weeks 9-12 at recommended dosage

QUESTIONS

1. Nolva and dosing ok here or would clomid be better? From what I can tell it is personal choice, but I have never used SERM and would appreciate any opinions or advice. Also, the SERMs I have found are in liquid form.. how is a dose taken?

2. Any other natty supps to consider adding to PCT or should I wait to kick a stack off come week 13? Have ArA, Tr1umph, ABE, Erase, and Anafuse laying around. Other suggestions welcome.

3. PCT sufficient? Opinions on King's Blood?

Any and all guidance, opinions, or suggestions are welcome. Thanks much.
 
1.Nolva is fine and dosing is good. Liquid serm use a oral medicine syringe to measure

2. after pct an abe/ erase run would be nice or mtest abe would be better.

3. Pct is great heard amazing things about kings Blood

Looks like you have your cycle well planned! Best of luck brother!!!
 
K.Dunn said:
Good evening all,

After months of research I think I am finally ready to jump off the natty train and give an entry level PH run a go, but I would love any and all feedback you more experienced members can offer before I order. I have a few additional questions, but mainly I want to make sure I have everything lined out properly.

Planned cycle is as follows:

ON CYCLE

OL Sup3r-1 Elite: Weeks 1-8 at 330
OL Sup3r-Epi Elite: Weeks 1-8 at 500 (may bump to 750 depending on lethargy and/or libido issues)

PCT

Nolva: Weeks 9-12 at 20/20/10/10
OL King's Blood: Weeks 9-12 at recommended dosage

QUESTIONS

1. Nolva and dosing ok here or would clomid be better? From what I can tell it is personal choice, but I have never used SERM and would appreciate any opinions or advice. Also, the SERMs I have found are in liquid form.. how is a dose taken? I would prefer pills if anyone can point me in the right directions (if they are even available in pill form).

2. Any other natty supps to consider adding to PCT or should I wait to kick a stack off come week 13? Have ArA, Tr1umph, ABE, Erase, and Anafuse laying around. Other suggestions welcome.

3. PCT sufficient? Opinions on King's Blood?

Any and all guidance, opinions, or suggestions are welcome. Thanks much.
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!!!! you need on cycle support!!! CEL cycle assist is perfect

pct looks good, serm is as you said, personal preference. Dose will be oral dropper... just drop it under your tongue for a few sec.

You cant ask for sources here so might wanna remove that portion.

for pct, I would add reduce xt for cortisol control (always spikes post cycle) and as many natural anabolics and such as you can afford (they just make it easier to maintain gains) xgels (ara), alphamax xt, m-test (more of a test booster but will help as well) are all good options.

other than on cycle support, youre mostly good to go though
 
Made the edit. Thanks for the heads up.

Is on cycle support needed? I was under the impression that this cycle is super light, ie non-methylated, and therefore easy on the liver. For BP perhaps?

King's Blood has the cort control covered according to OL's literature.

Will add a natty stack to the PCT. What to run though.. so many options. Throw some suggestions out there fellas.
 
K.Dunn said:
Made the edit. Thanks for the heads up.

Is on cycle support needed? I was under the impression that this cycle is super light, ie non-methylated, and therefore easy on the liver. For BP perhaps?

King's Blood has the cort control covered according to OL's literature.

Will add a natty stack to the PCT. What to run though.. so many options. Throw some suggestions out there fellas.
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100% needed. any oral cycle will have some impact on things like BP, liver values, etc. Its a side effect of the need to convert to active hormones.

for natty stack - xgels and either anabeta elite or alphamax (both have forskolin which is synergistic with ara) are my go-to's. You could add an epicatechin product like CEL epi-plex or sparta nutrition epicurus as well (or instead of).
 
I've never used King's Blood, but have heard good things and will probably give it a shot in the future.

Support is generally always needed running a PH. Cycle Assist is great and Damage Control is another good cycle support supp.

I run D-Pol and started adding in LGI's "The Natural" more recently as part of my natty test stack while on PCT. The Natural has the epicat and anti cortisol aspects built in, along with a few other testbooster ingredients. "Invictus" a trans dermal by Iron Legion is another great cortisol inhibitor.
 
Srr1000 said:
I've never used King's Blood, but have heard good things and will probably give it a shot in the future.
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How exactly have you heard good things... it's brand new ha
 
I'll be honest , u don't need any of the supps these reps are pushing , they ruined this thread . All you need SERM , AI , Test, Food , Weights boom it's a wrap , kickstart and finishing orals optional but u don't need any of that crap
 
I wasted money on every fuccing support u could think of , and didn't use one , nothing happened I had a great run . If u run orals maybe use some Tudca but fucc all the other bs u don't NEED it , optional but far from necessary or optimal for a test run
 
Thanks for all the input.

Adding in Ar1macare Pro whilst on. Seeing some people running this at a half dose for this cycle; is that viable?

Will be running ArA, ABE after PCT.
 
K.Dunn said:
Thanks for all the input.

Adding in Ar1macare Pro whilst on. Seeing some people running this at a half dose for this cycle; is that viable?

Will be running ArA, ABE after PCT.
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In the end you should test this yourself. I find that 1/2 servings of products work best while others need full or go higher.

Start with recommended or half and can always go up. Easier to go up vs having complications when you have had to much.

Recommend use is based on a number of variables. Not everyone falls into those.
 
smith_69 said:
In the end you should test this yourself. I find that 1/2 servings of products work best while others need full or go higher.

Start with recommended or half and can always go up. Easier to go up vs having complications when you have had to much.

Recommend use is based on a number of variables. Not everyone falls into those.
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From what I've read half serving Arimacare gives negilable benifits, it's 8 caps a day for a reason. They aren't trying to scam you, it's just 8 caps is what you need to get a good amount of everything.
 
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