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What to expect from Super DMZ 2.0 and lethargy questions

WolfJFlywheel

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So Ive always stuck to easier compounds, maybe trying too hard to reduce risk. Ive been toying with the idea of trt or pinning but Im not sure thats where I want to go just yet. Ive always wanted to try some stronger orals but never had the guts....until now. I jumped on a few bottles of Super DMZ 2.0. Up to this point, I've run single compounds twice and I stacked two (milder) compounds my last cycle. It was amazing but the lethargy was brutal by week 5. I lift at about 5:00 am and could barely get out of bed by then and wanted to go to sleep at like 8pm.

I read the dmz and msten bibles but they are just words. Ive searched the logs but most are either really old or not detailed at all so Im looking for some active users to chime in with their experiences.

How did Super DMZ work for you?
Would you run it again?
What am i really in for with these bottles?
What can I take to combat lethargy?

I have pharma grade serm on hand.

Thanks
 
This is my go to cycle, I usually add in epiandro and I really like dermacrine and there's not much left so I would try that combo. Last time I ran it 6 weeks and it was amazing. I did have Tudca with it. Maybe try 30 days for your first time you'll love it. If you decide to go with 5-6 weeks I would definitely get ahold of some tudca
 
You need on cycle support period. No way around it with these compounds. They are awesome tho, love those compounds so much.
 
Cooter Flap said:
This is my go to cycle, I usually add in epiandro and I really like dermacrine and there's not much left so I would try that combo. Last time I ran it 6 weeks and it was amazing. I did have Tudca with it. Maybe try 30 days for your first time you'll love it. If you decide to go with 5-6 weeks I would definitely get ahold of some tudca
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Man that is good to hear. I might try it out for the 30 days first run. That will still leave enough for a 6 weeker later. The derm and epi andro should help with lethargy right?

ChocolateClen said:
You need on cycle support period. No way around it with these compounds. They are awesome tho, love those compounds so much.
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Yeah, I have always used NAC in the past but will prob grab some tudca for this run.
 
WolfJFlywheel said:
Man that is good to hear. I might try it out for the 30 days first run. That will still leave enough for a 6 weeker later. The derm and epi andro should help with lethargy right?



Yeah, I have always used NAC in the past but will prob grab some tudca for this run.
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Not sure how much you have but I'd do 2 five week runs if you can. Stack it with a really solid test base and you're packing on pounds. Run the test for a few weeks after to solidify gains and then pct and start over
 
ChocolateClen said:
Not sure how much you have but I'd do 2 five week runs if you can. Stack it with a really solid test base and you're packing on pounds. Run the test for a few weeks after to solidify gains and then pct and start over
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Yeah i have enough for 2 at 5 weeks. What do you mean by test base? Pin? Hope not, not an option right now
 
Yes, for me at least I was just fine with the combo. Sex drive was still flying high, be honest though PCT is a bit rough so run that serm obviously. I personally don't ever use a cycle support but thats not to say they don't do their job. Fish Oil, NAC are my go to's. Watch your BP, I also get headaches during the first week or so of super dmz then it regulates and my pressure comes back to normal.
 
WolfJFlywheel said:
Yeah i have enough for 2 at 5 weeks. What do you mean by test base? Pin? Hope not, not an option right now
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Test base could be another prohormone or a TD or pinning. I ran it for 6 weeks with test e at 500mg/week then test e by itself at 750 for 12 and I put on 38 ish lbs. kept 31 lbs I believe. I'll have to pull up my log book.
 
ChocolateClen said:
Test base could be another prohormone or a TD or pinning. I ran it for 6 weeks with test e at 500mg/week then test e by itself at 750 for 12 and I put on 38 ish lbs. kept 31 lbs I believe. I'll have to pull up my log book.
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Cant pin so the epiandro and dermacrine would be the test base right?
 
WolfJFlywheel said:
Yeah i saw his posts in another thread about TD. Ive got a few more weeks of planning and cutting so I will be primed and ready to blow up. Thanks guys
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What are your questions ? Alphagainz has 1 and 4 andro that is td . Iron legion has Virtus and Invictus . Virtus boost testosterone Invictus controls cortisol.
 
bighulksmash said:
What are your questions ? Alphagainz has 1 and 4 andro that is td . Iron legion has Virtus and Invictus . Virtus boost testosterone Invictus controls cortisol.
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Well i hadnt even considered a TD until this thread so not many questions yet. My main concern is lethargy followed of course by libido so looking at bases to run to help with those 2 things. What do you recommend for those?
 
WolfJFlywheel said:
Well i hadnt even considered a TD until this thread so not many questions yet. My main concern is lethargy followed of course by libido so looking at bases to run to help with those 2 things. What do you recommend for those?
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1 andro and Invictus would help with lethargy . Virtus and 4 andro would help with the libido for sure . Plenty of logs on here for all these products .
PM me if u need any advice or further consultation .
 
For a base I would really look into 4-Andro TD by Alpha Gainz...4-Andro TD has been getting rave reviews on many forums!

Dermacrine would be my second recommendation (but, those days are numbered)
 
besides the test base discussion...

I would really recommend running M-Sten or DMZ solo...I never really thought the ratio of Super DMZ made sense.

An effective dose of m-sten is 10-15mg and the effective dose of DMZ is like 30mg+, so you're either way overdosing the m-sten, or underusing the DMZ.

If I had some super dmz (2.0), I would run one cap a day and then add another DMZ product. I believe 10mg of m-sten to be sufficient when stacked with an effective dose of DMZ
 
bighulksmash said:
1 andro and Invictus would help with lethargy . Virtus and 4 andro would help with the libido for sure . Plenty of logs on here for all these products .
PM me if u need any advice or further consultation .
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Will do. Thanks.

delsolrob said:
For a base I would really look into 4-Andro TD by Alpha Gainz...4-Andro TD has been getting rave reviews on many forums!

Dermacrine would be my second recommendation (but, those days are numbered)
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delsolrob said:
besides the test base discussion...

I would really recommend running M-Sten or DMZ solo...I never really thought the ratio of Super DMZ made sense.

An effective dose of m-sten is 10-15mg and the effective dose of DMZ is like 30mg+, so you're either way overdosing the m-sten, or underusing the DMZ.

If I had some super dmz (2.0), I would run one cap a day and then add another DMZ product. I believe 10mg of m-sten to be sufficient when stacked with an effective dose of DMZ
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I agree on the doses for sure. Especially given that I haven't ran either one before. I usually cringe when I see people mention combo phs but here I am lol. I assumed it didn't have much time longer in the shelves so I jumped on some. Can't find a solo dmz but I did find some sten.
 
Finding it solo is the issue really. Yeah the dosage is a little wacky but it's still in the optimal range, just on the opposite ends of that range. Msten is rather easy to find, DMZ is the problem compound.
 
Xtreme DMZ was and still is available at Nutriverse, and it is actual DMZ - 17beta-hydroxy 2 alpha, 17-beta-dimethyl 5alpha, androstan 3-one azine.
 
gagandugan said:
Xtreme DMZ was and still is available at Nutriverse, and it is actual DMZ - 17beta-hydroxy 2 alpha, 17-beta-dimethyl 5alpha, androstan 3-one azine.
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that brand sucks . stores were allowed to sell remaining stock . i find it hard to believe nutriverse would risk a cease and desist.
 
They have always carried it, Hulk. And it is a legit product, just like the Alpha Lab Msten. You can order it still. They just started carrying Pit Pharma, and they have actual DMZ, Msten and more.
 
gagandugan said:
They have always carried it, Hulk. And it is a legit product, just like the Alpha Lab Msten. You can order it still. They just started carrying Pit Pharma, and they have actual DMZ, Msten and more.
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yup alot of places still sell it . remember wat happened with alpha 1 max ? bsl
 
There are other stores, that are not sponsors here, but well known stores in the US that sell this, and Pit Pharma and other brands with all these compounds. DMZ, Msten, Alpha, Hexadrone, Triumphalis, Max LMG, Trest and Mithras are all still widely available.
 
gagandugan said:
There are other stores, that are not sponsors here, but well known stores in the US that sell this, and Pit Pharma and other brands with all these compounds. DMZ, Msten, Alpha, Hexadrone, Triumphalis, Max LMG and Mithras and all still widely available.
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yes , I use them lol ... but I could've swore it was in dasca . maybe not.
 
Those were not specifically mentioned, so they still sell them. Which is going to change sooner or later, maybe even next week :) But for now, they are all in the "grey area" and available. Maybe Alpha Lab is not the best brand now, or the cheapest, but the DMZ is actually legit.

On topic now, with good support DMZ 2.0 is solid, dry gains. Lethargy guaranteed too. :sad6:
 
Eh, you never know. In my opinion, all these compounds are going to be banned eventually, so it's probably better to stock up if you plan on using them in the next few years or so. Find a good source and buy legally now; just my $.02.
 
I've got 3 bottles of DMZ 2.0 and some extra DMZ. Prolly gonna buy a few more next pay check cause I love the **** so much. After that I'll just buy DMZ and Msten
 
gagandugan said:
ChocolateClen Let me ask you this: what do you like about DMZ? What does it usually do for you, solo or stacked?
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Stacked with MSten I put 25 ish lbs on in 6 weeks (factoring out waterweight and fat gain). Not entirely sure which compound did the majority of the work (I assume Msten since I was running it at 30mg/day) but I felt ****ing amazing on it while stacked with Test e I went up 60 lbs on my bench in 6 weeks as well (some muscle memory because I was just getting back in the gym after a longer break). The stack felt pretty dry too, I didn't feel bloated and the pumps were ****ing insane. Back pumps were a little painful after deads some days but not debilitating.
 
i ran dmz 2.0 at 3 caps a day starting week two. i ran it all for about 22 days and recomped fantastically. ended at 218lbs from 225. abs and all. zero lethargy. the first time i did it though i did 2 a day for 30 days and i had lethargy the last week or two. idk what changed but it was great. i ran OL Ar1macare and pct was nova and OL super PCT.
 
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