High Volume riformulato?
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TheMrMuscle
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In the EU they had to remove Agmatine so it looks like this now.
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bdcc
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This is correct. ^
We were unable to import agmatine sulfate to Europe in large quantities so we removed it and replaced it with an equivalent increase in l-citrulline.
This is now available at retailers around Europe (you may need to request them to stock it but it is available for them to purchase).
We were unable to import agmatine sulfate to Europe in large quantities so we removed it and replaced it with an equivalent increase in l-citrulline.
This is now available at retailers around Europe (you may need to request them to stock it but it is available for them to purchase).
shockrock3
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UK can still get Superdrol, M1T, etc....yet bans Agmatine lol. Strong logic.
bdcc
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Yea, there is an unfortunate inconsistency with this lol.
It is also country specific, some countries are extremely tight on regulations (retailers in Ireland have had letters regarding agmatine sulfate for example) whereas others don't seem to care as much.
Although some companies in some countries will happily take a risk on some products, a big distributor isn't going to want to important thousands of tubs of something if they aren't sure how easily it will get in and how easily they will able to sell it.
Thankfully it was a formula where we could easily replace it with another ingredient and not something like prohibiting the sole ingredient in a best selling single ingredient formula.
lukinosnake
Member
Why would they ban agmantine? What's up with this now?
bdcc
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Here is a direct quote from an Irish retailer (hence why we altered the formula);
"Agmatine / agmatine sulphate is an unauthorised novel food ingredient and may not be present in food. Indeed I have just seen a further alert from FSAI in relation to this ingredient just this morning but it relates to a product which you have already removed from sale."
lukinosnake
Member
So, in UK I can easily get SARMS, SD, Tren ecc ecc and I cannot get Agmantine.
They smoke better stuff than me, definitely
They smoke better stuff than me, definitely
bb333
Well-known member
I hope that the new version will not be ruined ...
High Volume (og) is par excellence the best preworkout pump and available in the market resistance, current, and based on those I tried.
Excellent: High Volume (Pump beautiful)
Excellent: Follidrone (more resistance than actual pump)
Great: Hemavol og
Water: VasoMax
Great: soy lecithin (pump watery, but great for the strength)
bdcc
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I don't think anyone would think swapping the agmatine for extra citrulline will ruin the product.
5g l-citrulline (approximate citrulline content of 10g citrulline malate) and 2g arginine nitrate is a huge combination.
I am willing to bet that anyone who tried them blindfolded won't know the difference between them in terms of effect.
cubsfan815
Well-known member
You crack me up sir. You take every chance you can to bash Performax Labs products, even after we offered you a refund....if you could show receipts. I'm sure a lot of people who use High Volume, myself included since I have been using PES products since they started, would tell you that the 3g Hydromax and 810mg potassium nitrate found in VasoMax will create a pump.
PES is a great company with a great group of reps on AM, please stop trying to drag us into these games.
bb333
Well-known member
Listen, I'm not attacking anyone!
I only wrote the truth about me VasoMax did not work, in fact, only gastrointestinal problems.
They are unhappy with your products.
You do not need to mention that you have offered me a refund ...
the number one company stand out for their quality products, not only for customer service, highly praised.
Greetings.
cubsfan815
Well-known member
Actually customer service goes a long way.
I wish you nothing but the best in 2017. High Volume is a great product.
lukinosnake
Member
I do not want to be mean, but I tried Vasomax too and I have to say that the pump is there, but it cannot be compare to the OG High Volume. Not sure about the new one as I always felt that agmantine is a game changer, at least for me.
bdcc
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For what it is worth, we have experimented with various combinations of nitrates, citrulline and agmatine.
All three of them solo in high doses, then combinations of the three.
In fact, here is an old post I made about it;