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35yo 486 natural test levels

TexasMade1891

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After quitting smoking 3 years ago I went from 5'6 170# with decent abs and build to 221# and fat in less than a year. Took me a year to get back down to 192. Went and had my test levels checked because I was having such a hard time losing the weight and building any muscle and was having some ed issues. Came back 486. Doc said those levels are perfectly normal for someone my age. After looking online those levels are normal, for a 65 yo man! Asked doc about trt, said I didn't need it that I just needed to lose 45# and I'd be fine. Apparently I'm supposed to weigh 155#... So I started my own trt. 200mg test e a week. On my 12th week. I feel a lot better, ed is mostly gone, slowly building a little muscle but I'm still having trouble losing the fat. I went on a super strict diet 1000-1200 clean calories a day max for 6 weeks. Lost 5#. Any advice as to what might be wrong? Seems like I should of lost more than that. Oh, and I was taking primatine. Before I quit smoking losing fat was easy. Deff don't want to smoke again but I'm literally lost here. I bumped it to 250 mg a week for a few weeks and seems like it made my libido jump but maybe that was just in my head. Would 500mg 12 week blast help burn it off? Im thinking that once I get it off cardio will be a bit easier and it'll be easier to keep off. Any ideas or suggestions?
 
After quitting smoking 3 years ago I went from 5'6 170# with decent abs and build to 221# and fat in less than a year. Took me a year to get back down to 192. Went and had my test levels checked because I was having such a hard time losing the weight and building any muscle and was having some ed issues. Came back 486. Doc said those levels are perfectly normal for someone my age. After looking online those levels are normal, for a 65 yo man! Asked doc about trt, said I didn't need it that I just needed to lose 45# and I'd be fine. Apparently I'm supposed to weigh 155#... So I started my own trt. 200mg test e a week. On my 12th week. I feel a lot better, ed is mostly gone, slowly building a little muscle but I'm still having trouble losing the fat. I went on a super strict diet 1000-1200 clean calories a day max for 6 weeks. Lost 5#. Any advice as to what might be wrong? Seems like I should of lost more than that. Oh, and I was taking primatine. Before I quit smoking losing fat was easy. Deff don't want to smoke again but I'm literally lost here. I bumped it to 250 mg a week for a few weeks and seems like it made my libido jump but maybe that was just in my head. Would 500mg 12 week blast help burn it off? Im thinking that once I get it off cardio will be a bit easier and it'll be easier to keep off. Any ideas or suggestions?

You need to describe your diet? Are you eating healthy fats? If you dont eat fats your body holds on to fat. How is your protein intake? you say clean calories but those calories might not be helping with the fat loss.
 
Almonds and eggs for breakfast along with a protein shake. Boneless skinless chicken breast with brown rice and broccoli for lunch, or tuna here and there. steak chicken or talapia for dinner. I shoot for 200g protein from shakes alone a day.
 
As a regular guy (not a bodybuilder), you doctor is right - you should weigh around 150-156 at 5'6" (if you're naturally wide, let's say around 160-165). My advice: stick with your diet and be patient. Eat 1300/day, make sure you don't cheat, do some cardio and yes, you'll get there easily. A 1300cal diet leaves me around 146 lbs shredded at 5'6" 1/2 (that's with no anabolics and a 2X/day ECA stack), although I don't necessarily want to be under 154 lbs (70kg) anymore.
 
Cardio less, protein less, eat more, lift more. You are eating & behaving like an anorexic female with drug dependancy issues. U r 35 bro, get healthy now while u still can.
 
How can he eat more and lift more if he wants to go from 100kg down to 75-80? But yeah - looking at the photos, you look big and strong; the arms are terrific and there's the gut that needs to go :). But I honestly think that doesn't even have anything to do with the test levels. You can lose the gut with no anabolics, just by sticking to the diet.
 
How can he eat more and lift more if he wants to go from 100kg down to 75-80? But yeah - looking at the photos, you look big and strong; the arms are terrific and there's the gut that needs to go :). But I honestly think that doesn't even have anything to do with the test levels. You can lose the gut with no anabolics, just by sticking to the diet.
If he finds his maintenance he can wind it back from there. As a 34yo 122kg ex smoking male, I found it incredibly difficult to sustain weightloss with cardio in the beginning. When quit smoking cortisol levels increase which causes low test and makes u put on weight. Doing cardio and starving urself only causes cortisol to remain high which puts u in a chronic catch 22. The best way to get out of this rut is to eat at maintenance, with clean diet including plenty of healthy fats, fibre, 175-200g protein, and force your body into positive adaptations by applying lifting & progressive overload, and get plenty of sleep! This will raise test levels, and make it 10x easier to cut.
 
My test levels are at 530 at 21 and I'm not worried about it or blaming my belly on it. Learn to eat and train right and listen to your doctor.
 
If you do 200 mg a week pretty soon you're gonna have estrogen issues and you're gonna freefall and wonder why you feel so bad. I did the same thing when I started and felt unstoppable for a while and then all of a sudden I was just stopped.
Don't do anymore than 100 a week I would say. Probably should split up doses and do more frequent lower doses to avoid Estrogen issues which suck
 
200mg test e for trt purposes? Er have you done any bloods to confirm that your levels are within non-supraphysiological range?
 
Everyone I know that's on trt is taking 175-200mg week of test

So what? They could be dosing too high as well.

You need to up your game and do more research if you want to be responsible for administering your own trt. Injecting is but a part of the equation.

You need to do bloods. Its quite possible 200mg is putting you into supraphys range. If thats the case, youre effectively cycling/blasting.

But most importantly, lipids man. This is your health. And SHBG, e2, etc. You need to monitor that stuff, not rely solely on te feelz and wat other bros do.

Id recommend nailing your trt first before considering a cycle/blast. So, bloods, and adjust. Could take up to 6 months to sort properly, especially if using a long ester. Use that time to sort diet, too.
 
wait lets go back a second, are you still eating 250-300g of protein? If you are eating that much protein on a 1000-1200 calorie diet then literally all of your calories are coming from protein. Not trying to be a jag but something doesnt add up here.
 
Mainly from whey shakes yes. Depends on the day but when I was younger that's how I always cut and it always worked. Low calorie high protein. That's why I'm asking for advice, that **** ain't working anymore. Before I could do a small bowl of bran flakes for breakfast along with a 2 scoop shake, then have a Greek yogurt along with some almonds for lunch with another 2 scoop shake, then chicken or tuna for dinner with some broccoli and a 2 scoop shake, then workout and after workout have another 2 scoop shake. Some days I'd have a 1 scoop shake in the middle of my workout.
 
Mainly from whey shakes yes. Depends on the day but when I was younger that's how I always cut and it always worked. Low calorie high protein. That's why I'm asking for advice, that **** ain't working anymore. Before I could do a small bowl of bran flakes for breakfast along with a 2 scoop shake, then have a Greek yogurt along with some almonds for lunch with another 2 scoop shake, then chicken or tuna for dinner with some broccoli and a 2 scoop shake, then workout and after workout have another 2 scoop shake. Some days I'd have a 1 scoop shake in the middle of my workout.

lol dont ever drink shakes during a workout
 
Theres absolutely nothing wrong with drinking a whey shake during a workout

Except for the fact that it's not going to do anything lol. The body isn't digesting food during exercise.

That being said, OP: your test levels are well within normal ranges for your age. You aren't even on the low side really.
 
Except for the fact that it's not going to do anything lol. The body isn't digesting food during exercise.

That being said, OP: your test levels are well within normal ranges for your age. You aren't even on the low side really.
False
 
My argument isint on the digestion per say nor do i argue period, im sure the greatest athletes in the world like Michael Phelps, elite strong men, top boxers and mma fighters are all wasting there time with the intra workout nutrition they all do. I dont play keyboard tough guy and argue over the computer so this will be my only response on the topic. Yes, when all the blood is going to your working muscles it complicates the digestion process but were not talking about eating a steak. Fast digesting proteins and carbs in liquid form need very little digesting and your body will use them. Some powerlifters will drink milk during workouts. Neway, have a nice day.
 
My argument isint on the digestion per say nor do i argue period, im sure the greatest athletes in the world like Michael Phelps, elite strong men, top boxers and mma fighters are all wasting there time with the intra workout nutrition they all do. I dont play keyboard tough guy and argue over the computer so this will be my only response on the topic. Yes, when all the blood is going to your working muscles it complicates the digestion process but were not talking about eating a steak. Fast digesting proteins and carbs in liquid form need very little digesting and your body will use them. Some powerlifters will drink milk during workouts. Neway, have a nice day.

Most of them probably wouldn't if they weren't sponsored by those companies. I don't know anything about the subject but that would be my guess as to the elite level athletes as their intra workout supplementation.
 
So let me see if I've sussed this situation

OP can't loose weight, has self diagnosed a non-existent hormonal issue and began jabbing himself with Test without any blood work. Most likely is definitely lacking in understanding of diet and/or training (assuming both) which is the true root of issues, but i digress.

And now discussion has moved to intra-workout protein shakes consumption.

*grabs popcorn*
 
I'm dead. LOL. It's like all my years in dietetics and physio were all for nothing.
if you really got that under your belt, you definitely know alot more then i do so i wont argue that. Im really confused y so many ppl are wasting there time with it. As a serious question what happens to it, does it get stored as fat? Do you digest it later? Im always up to learn something new
 
if you really got that under your belt, you definitely know alot more then i do so i wont argue that. Im really confused y so many ppl are wasting there time with it. As a serious question what happens to it, does it get stored as fat? Do you digest it later? Im always up to learn something new


Some is digested during the workout, but is generally just converted to glucose to utilize for energy. The rest is broken down post and utilized for whatever is needed. Either amino acids for tissue repair or glucose to replenish glycogen stores.... then anything remaining is stored as fat per your statement above.

Excess protein in shake form is more likely to be stored as fat vs food do to is rapid digestion. Elite body builders and athletes eat food and do not **** with shakes except in emergency situations.
 
Wait, so the guy at my gym eating rice and chicken in between sets doesn't have the secret to success in bodybuilding?
 
if you really got that under your belt, you definitely know alot more then i do so i wont argue that. Im really confused y so many ppl are wasting there time with it. As a serious question what happens to it, does it get stored as fat? Do you digest it later? Im always up to learn something new

During large bouts of strenuous exercise, blood flow to the digestive system is largely shut off. This includes the kidneys, intestines, stomach, and a few other smaller organs such as the pancreas.... kind of. This is where it gets complicated, the capilaries near the surface of your skin dialate to allow more blood to flow closer to the surface allowing for better heat exchange. The blood that once went to the GI tract is now mostly rerouted to the limbs and heart which masically means that extra blood is where your pump comes from.

Some organs like the kidneys almost completely shut down, which explains why long distance runners aren't seen peeing on the side of the road every 2 miles.

Once exercise is stopped the capillaries near your skins surface begin to constrict and blood returns to your digestive system. There's quite a bit more detail to the picture but that's the general big picture for you. This is why if you eat a big meal and then run for a long time you are probably going to get sick, because the food isn't really going anywhere.

After everything returns to normal your body pretty much starts where it left off, but now it has to repair damage done to it as well. Food will be converted to glucose and broken up in to amino acids which are then reformed in to whatever large amount of proteins your body needs in the liver before being shipped off to cells for selective use. Excess glucose gets stored in fat cells as well as protein (how this happens I'm not quite sure, bio 101 didn't cover that).

Also if you have done a large amount of damage to your muscles and I mean an absolute massive amount, your kidneys actually begin to fail at doing their job. You see when you exercise you damage muscle fibers, we all know this, however those cells you damage spill their contents in to the blood stream. Now most of the time the body recollects the proteins and enzymes and puts them back to use, but if you do a lot of damage and I mean a **** load, your body can't possibly collect all the protein and enzymes floating around in the blood. This is why you can have high AST and ALT levels on a liver function test and have a perfectly healthy liver, because those 2 enzymes are found in the blood after cellular damage. So the protein and enzymes in the blood that your body can't pick back up make their way to your kidneys. Now the kidneys are actually very complicated but in essence 20% of everything that passes through them is discarded, and then the useful stuff is reabsorbed. But when you have tons of proteins and enzymes floating around in the blood, when 20% of that is discarded, there's not enough "helpers" to go out and grab the protein that was discarded, so your pee becomes brown. Protein has leaked out of the kidneys in to your urine because there's just so much of it in your blood. This condition is called Rhabdo and it's often experienced by marathon runners who don't properly train.
 
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*grabs popcorn*

I've got mine at the ready. To which I'll add, my only takeaways have been:

TexasMade1891 said:
After quitting smoking 3 years ago I went from 5'6 170# with decent abs and build to 221# and fat...
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TexasMade1891 said:
Before I quit smoking losing fat was easy

Sometimes you just have to go back to your roots and keep things simple. A quick 8-week cycle back on them cigs will have you lookin' lean n' mean in no time.

:)
 
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