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Donald Trump running for president

Good posts CJNator, much of that is exactly how what I think but described in far better words than Im capable.

I was watching Barry Soetoro's speech farewell speech last night for historical purposes, and the entire time I kept thinking every one of those people in that building, every single one of them are all accomplices to murder. They all did know what they got when they re-elected him which is a bloody genocidal war mongering tyrant.
 
ax1 said:
Good posts CJNator, much of that is exactly how what I think but described in far better words than Im capable.

I was watching Barry Soetoro's speech farewell speech last night for historical purposes, and the entire time I kept thinking every one of those people in that building, every single one of them are all accomplices to murder. They all did know what they got when they re-elected him which is a bloody genocidal war mongering tyrant.
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Murray Rothbard was a intelligent man, he only speaks facts. They definitely did but they didn't want to see him as that. A lot of people actually see him as a genuinely good human even though they don't even know the guy lol.

I don't know if you did but you should watch the last 30mins of that video when you can, what that ex KGB agent said gave me goose bumps. It also made me realize most people are stuck with what they believe no matter what.
 
CJNator said:
Murray Rothbard was a intelligent man, he only speaks facts. They definitely did but they didn't want to see him as that. A lot of people actually see him as a genuinely good human even though they don't even know the guy lol.

I don't know if you did but you should watch the last 30mins of that video when you can, what that ex KGB agent said gave me goose bumps. It also made me realize most people are stuck with what they believe no matter what.
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I wanna watch that whole video, its on my playlist just gotta get time to watch it carefully because thats some real stuff right there.
 
I just want to say something positive about Trump for once.

If he can indeed foster competition amongst pharmaceutical companies, that could be a very good thing.

The same for the building of aircraft for the military (ie the F-35).

I also hope he can get the VA straightened out where our veterans can receive proper healthcare.

I vehemently disagree with the way he is handling the handing over of his holdings to a trust held by his sons. I think that is a huge conflict of interest, and is ethically unsound.
 
Misfit28 said:
I just want to say something positive about Trump for once.

If he can indeed foster competition amongst pharmaceutical companies, that could be a very good thing.

The same for the building of aircraft for the military (ie the F-35).

I also hope he can get the VA straightened out where our veterans can receive proper healthcare.

I vehemently disagree with the way he is handling the handing over of his holdings to a trust held by his sons. I think that is a huge conflict of interest, and is ethically unsound.
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I guess you saw the press conference....it was certainly interesting and makes me feel a bit more optimistic about our future....I will still sit back, watch and see what happens and judge him on his first 100 day plan before I get my mind settled on him.
 
ax1 said:
I guess you saw the press conference....it was certainly interesting and makes me feel a bit more optimistic about our future....I will still sit back, watch and see what happens and judge him on his first 100 day plan before I get my mind settled on him.
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We're on the same page :)
 
Did the Blaze run a fake story about Trump paying for prostitutes to piss on a bed in Moscow that Obama slept in? Or that the CIA had investigated it and briefed Trump about it? But Jake Tapper reported on it.
 
CJNator said:
What proof do you have that people can't self regulate businesses or corporations? For people to actually self regulate there must not be any other outside interference that makes self regulating ineffective.
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What you are asking is clearly not available - governments all around the world are involved in how different industry's function, it is just the way it is. Do you actually trust people to self-govern? Where is your evidence to suggest it can work? Given that the current status quo is external regulatory bodies, your at a position to provide evidence that self regulation can, and does work.

Going back to my examples: Until government intervention, over fishing for commercial gain was commonplace and ultimately not sustainable (in NZ this issue pertains to Tuna, Salmon and a host of other marine life). Government regulation for the greedy fishing companies has seen some populations grow (albeit not enough, but better than it was).

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The food industry hires for-profit inspection companies — known as third-party auditors — who aren’t required by law to meet any federal standards and have no government supervision. Some of these monitors choose to follow guidelines from trade groups that include ConAgra Foods Inc., Kraft Foods Inc. and Wal-Mart.

The private inspectors that companies select often check only those areas their clients ask them to review. That means they can miss deadly pathogens lurking in places they never examined.
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As with the tobacco and alcohol industries, food industry self-regulation appears to be motivated more by external threats: negative public attitudes, government action that restricts key business practices, and litigation. Where industry and public health objectives conflict, an industry has incentives to create a public image of concern and to promise change, but then to create weak standards with lax enforcement. The cynical practices of the tobacco industry, and to a lesser extent the alcohol industry, have shown how under the guise of self-regulation, public health problems can be increased (e.g., young people being encouraged to smoke more rather than less) and government action can be warded off.
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Yep, got to trust that people will regulate themselves :rolleyes:
 
Pre 1970 the USA was a mess with regard to industrial waste and a lack of regulation. The corps have proven they cannot regulate themselves.

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How is that funny? This isn't a reality show, it's reality, and he's already an embarrassment.
 
youngandfree said:
Did the Blaze run a fake story about Trump paying for prostitutes to piss on a bed in Moscow that Obama slept in? Or that the CIA had investigated it and briefed Trump about it? But Jake Tapper reported on it.
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Do I constantly post CNN links? No.

You seem to post from The Blaze quite often. Enough to where it leads me to believe that it is a primary place where you get your news. It's glaringly partisan, just pointing it out
 
Look at the forum we are on. The supplement industry. It is partially self regulated and look at the fckers that taint stuff. They are just trying to get the FDA on them and squash supplements as we know them.
 
Misfit28 said:
Do I constantly post CNN links? No.

You seem to post from The Blaze quite often. Enough to where it leads me to believe that it is a primary place where you get your news. It's glaringly partisan, just pointing it out
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Not everything they post in bs, I mean there was nothing really inaccurate in that link and I saw it happen live.
 
Misfit28 said:
Even a broken clock is right twice a day ;)
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I dont like Glenn Beck btw...he attacks the 9/11 truth movement and people that know his Barry's birth certificate is a phony piece of toilet paper. He is an insider misinformation agent imo.
 
The GOP was hacked as well. What worries me is what the information will be used for since they are now in power.? There is dirt to be had for sure, and nothing turns a wrist more easily than personal persuasion of potential exposure. We as a country have been compromised and to what extent, we have yet to find out.

The blame game has yet to begin, but the drift is well received. They (Washington Insiders) have a lot to lose and they brought it on themselves! Trump is no different than they are, if not worse. As a private 'business man' he has had his share of inside deals and for sure there are several dozen skeletons in his closet.

Like you said. They have nobody to blame but themselves, and we'll see who Trump blames when his turn at bat is up.
 
Jiigzz said:
What you are asking is clearly not available - governments all around the world are involved in how different industry's function, it is just the way it is. Do you actually trust people to self-govern? Where is your evidence to suggest it can work? Given that the current status quo is external regulatory bodies, your at a position to provide evidence that self regulation can, and does work.

Going back to my examples: Until government intervention, over fishing for commercial gain was commonplace and ultimately not sustainable (in NZ this issue pertains to Tuna, Salmon and a host of other marine life). Government regulation for the greedy fishing companies has seen some populations grow (albeit not enough, but better than it was).

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Yep, got to trust that people will regulate themselves :rolleyes:
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Government regulations don't create a incentive for corporations or big businesses to work for the publics interest so everything you just posted it's irrelevant. Incentive is a huge factor in the matter and can't be ignored. Also stating that I can't get around governments existing isn't an argument.
The fact that there are many businesses all around us despite government regulations is proof enough that self regulating helps. When these businesses are larger and are ran by crony capitalists, they'll focus more one profit rather then preserving resources or public interest.
 
justhere4comm said:
The GOP was hacked as well. What worries me is what the information will be used for since they are now in power.? There is dirt to be had for sure, and nothing turns a wrist more easily than personal persuasion of potential exposure. We as a country have been compromised and to what extent, we have yet to find out.

The blame game has yet to begin, but the drift is well received. They (Washington Insiders) have a lot to lose and they brought it on themselves! Trump is no different than they are, if not worse. As a private 'business man' he has had his share of inside deals and for sure there are several dozen skeletons in his closet.

Like you said. They have nobody to blame but themselves, and we'll see who Trump blames when his turn at bat is up.
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Hey, they supported illegally hacking the entire American population against their Constitutional oaths....as far as Im concerned at this point I do not respect the Federal government privacy rights. They do the same thing to the entire planet too, both hacking and manipulating foreign elections, they cant be so much more full of shyt....you cant tell other countries not to do what your already doing to them.
 
ax1 said:
Hey, they supported illegally hacking the entire American population against their Constitutional oaths....as far as Im concerned at this point I do not respect the Federal government privacy rights. They do the same thing to the entire planet too, both hacking and manipulating foreign elections, they cant be so much more full of shyt....you cant tell other countries not to do what your already doing to them.
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But, we're the greatest country on earth... (I think we're probably in the high teens, and about the same maturity level as well it seems by our 'leadership' and 'values'.)

I'm honestly looking at my own country from another ethical lens and I find it disturbing. When I was younger it was flag waving, hoorah, Olympics, etc.,and now I'm a bit discouraged the more I learn the truth of our foundation through today. I'm not sure we are much different from any other country with only superficial differences. It's all about human greed and need for power over others.

Corporations are no different from governments only on a micro level. There is cronyism and nepotistic practices the same. It's about greed, and power, and doing what it takes to get their at the cost of others. I work for such an organization, and am writing a book of my experience over the past 10 years. It's going to be eye-opening for many, and others will just nod their heads and say, I knew it. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain...
 
I think alot of whats not being said is (well on alternative its talked about) that alot of these leaks are within the party....I think the majority of these leaks are from the DNC themselves, lets not forget about that DNC staffer murder in Washington a short while ago which wikileaks acknowledged as an assassination.

Not everybody in the DNC, Republican party, NSA, CIA etc...are bad people, that always give me hope, but I guess these days you need to get to a foreign country to get information out or your life is done for, either murder or behind bars....its not like the way Obama says it is, "hey snowden, you could have just like walked up to me and say hey this is wrong."
 
CJNator said:
Government regulations don't create a incentive for corporations or big businesses to work for the publics interest so everything you just posted it's irrelevant. Incentive is a huge factor in the matter and can't be ignored. Also stating that I can't get around governments existing isn't an argument.
The fact that there are many businesses all around us despite government regulations is proof enough that self regulating helps. When these businesses are larger and are ran by crony capitalists, they'll focus more one profit rather then preserving resources or public interest.
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Nothing that you just posted makes sense, the point is that companies screw over everyone until they are told not to. There are COUNTLESS examples of this happening worldwide, so no, self regulation does not help because all their promises are thinly veiled. I have posted a few examples showing how a company will screw over the environment, customers and their suppliers to reduce costs. Here are more:

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On Wednesday, Labour MP Shane Jones let rip, accusing the Australian-owned supermarket giant Progressive Enterprises of bullying suppliers and demanding they hand over cash if they wanted to keep their products on the shelves of Countdown supermarkets.
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Sometimes, suppliers volunteer a price-cut as part of a short-term marketing drive, but according to insiders, it's not uncommon for a supermarket to lure customers inside with a fantastic deal, then bluntly inform the supplier that they'll have to absorb the price-cut themselves.
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This is a case about govt regulations and self governance working together:

There are two potential misconceptions about fisheries self-governance. One is that self-governance can spontaneously and entirely replace government regulation. The second is that governments can invoke (or impose) self-governance to avoid difficult choices about restricting access. Both are false.
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If you think corporations are not above screwing you over to make more money, you are wrong.

You have also yet to demonstrate examples of what you are suggesting actually working in reality vs. your fantasy. All you've done thus far is deny self-regulation can't work, yet provide zero evidence it can.
 
Jiigzz said:
Nothing that you just posted makes sense, the point is that companies screw over everyone until they are told not to. There are COUNTLESS examples of this happening worldwide, so no, self regulation does not help because all their promises are thinly veiled. I have posted a few examples showing how a company will screw over the environment, customers and their suppliers to reduce costs. Here are more:

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If you think corporations are not above screwing you over to make more money, you are wrong.

You have also yet to demonstrate examples of what you are suggesting actually working in reality vs. your fantasy. All you've done thus far is deny self-regulation can't work, yet provide zero evidence it can.
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And then there's Wal-Mart, the worst of all when it comes to screwing people over.

Oh and of course our incoming President elect......
 
Jiigzz said:
Nothing that you just posted makes sense, the point is that companies screw over everyone until they are told not to. There are COUNTLESS examples of this happening worldwide, so no, self regulation does not help because all their promises are thinly veiled. I have posted a few examples showing how a company will screw over the environment, customers and their suppliers to reduce costs. Here are more:

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If you think corporations are not above screwing you over to make more money, you are wrong.

You have also yet to demonstrate examples of what you are suggesting actually working in reality vs. your fantasy. All you've done thus far is deny self-regulation can't work, yet provide zero evidence it can.
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So incentive doesn't make sense? Ok I'll put it another way, a long time ago governments didn't interfere with businesses. As time went on and people called for regulations due to discrimination and other reasons, crony capitalists found loopholes and kept growing, as this went on regulations didn't allow smaller businesses to grow. In the present time monopolies and crony capitalists only market for profit and nothing else, they don't care to help out nor do they care for keeping resources from being scarce.

Now with the government regulating, corporations don't care for self regulating nor does it make a difference since people have all there trust in government regulations.

I'll put it in all caps just because it seemed like you missed what I said.

THERE IS NO PROOF THAT PURE SELF REGULATING HELPS BECAUSE GOVERNMENT REGULATIONS DONT CREATE AN INCENTIVE TO PRESERVE RESOURCES OR TO HELP IN GENERAL. THEY ONLY CARE ABOUT PROFIT, ALL YOUR LINKS PROVE ME CORRECT.

Now I'll put it this way, without government regulations corporation and businesses can only survive off of the consumer. At this point people choose what businesses survive and which ones fail, this is called competition. When businesses compete with each other they'll have to make people happy so people give them money and to do that they must upgrade their products according to what the consumers want.

If you still don't understand what one saying watch this video
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Before there was GOVERNMENT regulations, Corporations had no incentive either so they didn't regulate themselves to the tune of Billions of dollars in environmental damage in addition to human damage! Birth defects in towns where the water table has been contaminated by waste. All the way back to 1942. I will post links if you need them.
 
CJNator said:
So incentive doesn't make sense? Ok I'll put it another way, a long time ago governments didn't interfere with businesses. As time went on and people called for regulations due to discrimination and other reasons, crony capitalists found loopholes and kept growing, as this went on regulations didn't allow smaller businesses to grow. In the present time monopolies and crony capitalists only market for profit and nothing else, they don't care to help out nor do they care for keeping resources from being scarce.

Now with the government regulating, corporations don't care for self regulating nor does it make a difference since people have all there trust in government regulations.

I'll put it in all caps just because it seemed like you missed what I said.

THERE IS NO PROOF THAT PURE SELF REGULATING HELPS BECAUSE GOVERNMENT REGULATIONS DONT CREATE AN INCENTIVE TO PRESERVE RESOURCES OR TO HELP IN GENERAL. THEY ONLY CARE ABOUT PROFIT, ALL YOUR LINKS PROVE ME CORRECT.

Now I'll put it this way, without government regulations corporation and businesses can only survive off of the consumer. At this point people choose what businesses survive and which ones fail, this is called competition. When businesses compete with each other they'll have to make people happy so people give them money and to do that they must upgrade their products according to what the consumers want.

If you still don't understand what one saying watch this video
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So companies would have stopped using child labor without intervention?

What you seem to forget is that many people can't afford NOT to support certain corporations, mostly because of cost. It makes no difference if you don't agree with Wal-Mart or Nabisco if that's all you can afford.
 
Misfit28 said:
And then there's Wal-Mart, the worst of all when it comes to screwing people over.

Oh and of course our incoming President elect......
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Wow, I don't normally engage in political talk, but you sir are delusional. But lefties in Aus are the same, so can't judge you that much. I'll leave there here for you

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Talk about being screwed over since 2008......
 
justhere4comm said:
Before there was GOVERNMENT regulations, Corporations had no incentive either so they didn't regulate themselves to the tune of Billions of dollars in environmental damage in addition to human damage! Birth defects in towns where the water table has been contaminated by waste. All the way back to 1942. I will post links if you need them.
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Yes they did but the market has to grow, do you give a baby a wheelchair because it can't walk? No you let it keep trying and trying. People chose to have the government intervene instead of self regulating.

Misfit28 said:
So companies would have stopped using child labor without intervention?

What you seem to forget is that many people can't afford NOT to support certain corporations, mostly because of cost. It makes no difference if you don't agree with Wal-Mart or Nabisco if that's all you can afford.
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Children labor was horrible but it never would have stayed that horrible if it didn't become outlawed. The market needed to adapt and grow but government interference didn't allow that to happen.
 
Misfit28 said:
You're going to quote Zero Hedge and I'M delusional.

Whatever.

Apparently fake news is rampant down under as well.

Trump tweeted the same graphs. You like him too?
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I get it man, high E got you all emotional. I'm cool with that.

My opinion on your political landscape is irrelevant, I merely posted some FACTS, based on actual data. But hey fake news brah. What does that even mean these days when all your MSM is doing it?
 
Misfit28 said:
You're going to quote Zero Hedge and I'M delusional.

Whatever.

Apparently fake news is rampant down under as well.

Trump tweeted the same graphs. You like him too?
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Are the graphs inaccurate? I haven't checked, and it's quite easy to make statistics say whatever you want them to, which is how people on one side have statistics showing how amazing the economy is doing, while the other side has statistics showing how poorly it is doing. Does no one have concerns that corporatism could end up benefiting larger companies, at the expense of smaller businesses and individuals? That's one reason why I'm not for massive government intervention in the economy, but of course some, hopefully minimal, involvement and regulation is probably for the best.
 
NoAddedHmones said:
I get it man, high E got you all emotional. I'm cool with that.

My opinion on your political landscape is irrelevant, I merely posted some FACTS, based on actual data. But hey fake news brah. What does that even mean these days when all your MSM is doing it?
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Nah, it ain't the high E brah.

You're right, it is irrelevant. Like I said, Zero Hedge. Look it up if you are so reliant on some crazy website. They are doom and gloom sensationalists that prey on people's fear.

Keep up the ad hominem bro, I posted my bloodwork to help other members. I see it's now fodder to insult me on a political thread. Stay classy, brah.
 
Misfit28 said:
You're going to quote Zero Hedge and I'M delusional.

Whatever.

Apparently fake news is rampant down under as well.

Trump tweeted the same graphs. You like him too?
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In your world if Zero Hedge says 1+1=2 its fake news.
 
CJNator said:
Children labor was horrible but it never would have stayed that horrible if it didn't become outlawed. The market needed to adapt and grow but government interference didn't allow that to happen.
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They just move on to foreign child labor slaves, probably in far worse working conditions. Take a step forward and two steps back. All hypocrisy.
 
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Are the graphs inaccurate? I haven't checked, and it's quite easy to make statistics say whatever you want them to, which is how people on one side have statistics showing how amazing the economy is doing, while the other side has statistics showing how poorly it is doing. Does no one have concerns that corporatism could end up benefiting larger companies, at the expense of smaller businesses and individuals? That's one reason why I'm not for massive government intervention in the economy, but of course some, hopefully minimal, involvement and regulation is probably for the best.
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The source data is released daily/weekly/monthly to the public by official bodies and was aggregated by Harvard University. It is irrelevant who and where these graphs were posted.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
Are the graphs inaccurate? I haven't checked, and it's quite easy to make statistics say whatever you want them to, which is how people on one side have statistics showing how amazing the economy is doing, while the other side has statistics showing how poorly it is doing. Does no one have concerns that corporatism could end up benefiting larger companies, at the expense of smaller businesses and individuals? That's one reason why I'm not for massive government intervention in the economy, but of course some, hopefully minimal, involvement and regulation is probably for the best.
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Politicians have heavy incentives to make regulations in heavy favor of those that need to be regulated most. The big guys can certainly accept regulation in exchange of having regulations clearing their competition out, primarily middle class and startups.

Its a simple solution if you insist government regulation, take the incentives out for the politicians and criminalize the act of in both sides.
 
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That is true, see my last post. Harvard sounds pretty legitimate to me.
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Have you seen Harvard's analysis? I was trying to find it, but on my phone it's a little difficult right now.

I know the graphs are from Harvard, as well as Zero Hedge. The analysis from Zero Hedge is basically doom and gloom and expected.
 
Misfit28 said:
Nah, it ain't the high E brah.

You're right, it is irrelevant. Like I said, Zero Hedge. Look it up if you are so reliant on some crazy website. They are doom and gloom sensationalists that prey on people's fear.

Keep up the ad hominem bro, I posted my bloodwork to help other members. I see it's now fodder to insult me on a political thread. Stay classy, brah.
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Well thats rich, the only reason i posted in here is cause you seem to have some kind of superiority persona in this thread where you put down and degrade anyone who holds a different view to you. soo, in conclusion EAD.
 
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