Donald Trump running for president

[Jiigzz]

Thats part a major part of the debate, the primary reason all these global laws and power are trying to be put in place.

As Ive said in the past I have no idea whats really happening and why, but Im not letting big governments come up with solutions that both infringe on people's freedoms based off of inconclusive evidence and lack real solutions as the solutions are ponzi schemes. But...Im all for trying to promote clean up the environment.

Lets just keep in mind as well its well known now that government agencies have hid and concealed statistical data from scientists and the people in order to remove obstacles from their agendas.

But somebody has to do something that persuades the masses. This may surprise you, but without some form of centralisation, NOTHING will ever get done. Govt. must step in to protect the environment or else we will continue to watch it become destroyed. If you don't think that is happening, then my friend you have not travelled enough.

In NZ alone where we pride ourselves in a clean, green image, a lot of our rivers are now so heavily polluted they are required to display signs that the water is not safe for drinking when it used to be safe. Why? Because our dairy industry is completely neglecting the environmental cost of their farms. It costs money to put measures in place, so why spend more when you can pocket more if noone is there to tell you not to?

You might think people will eventually learn to self regulate, but we never will. A business will fail without a structured hierachy because some people are simply not capable of leading themselves, let alone others. I often forget how dumb some people can be until I get on social media - the amount of ignorance is terrifying.

Do I necessary believe the river polution is the source if global warming? I don't know. But what I do know if that humans impact on this earth is definitely not for the better. We may be privileged in the wesrern world to live in comparatively clean areas, but a simple look around the world shows heavy pollution, a destruction of animal habitat, and a devastating shift away from clean and thriving environments. We are a parasitic species, literally destroying anything and everything for financial gain.

 

[Jiigzz]

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Open borders is what we need, I guess you don't care about children.

You use a case of ONE person to justify closing borders? That is pathetic. Look at how many American nationals commit henious crimes to their own countrymen. Maybe noone should be allowed in America.

 

[Misfit28]

But somebody has to do something that persuades the masses. This may surprise you, but without some form of centralisation, NOTHING will ever get done. Govt. must step in to protect the environment or else we will continue to watch it become destroyed. If you don't think that is happening, then my friend you have not travelled enough.

In NZ alone where we pride ourselves in a clean, green image, a lot of our rivers are now so heavily polluted they are required to display signs that the water is not safe for drinking when it used to be safe. Why? Because our dairy industry is completely neglecting the environmental cost of their farms. It costs money to put measures in place, so why spend more when you can pocket more if noone is there to tell you not to?

You might think people will eventually learn to self regulate, but we never will. A business will fail without a structured hierachy because some people are simply not capable of leading themselves, let alone others. I often forget how dumb some people can be until I get on social media - the amount of ignorance is terrifying.

Do I necessary believe the river polution is the source if global warming? I don't know. But what I do know if that humans impact on this earth is definitely not for the better. We may be privileged in the wesrern world to live in comparatively clean areas, but a simple look around the world shows heavy pollution, a destruction of animal habitat, and a devastating shift away from clean and thriving environments. We are a parasitic species, literally destroying anything and everything for financial gain.

Amen, brother. Well said.

This is the argument I have against Libertarians all the time. They seem to think that the big corporations will do things for the greater good with less regulations. I say that's ridiculous. Corporations ALWAYS do what's best for their bottom line, unless someone regulates them. Period.

 

[Misfit28]

You use a case of ONE person to justify closing borders? That is pathetic. Look at how many American nationals commit henious crimes to their own countrymen. Maybe noone should be allowed in America.

Of course. Because one bad immigrant means they are all that way, didn't you know that?

 

[Jiigzz]

Amen, brother. Well said.

This is the argument I have against Libertarians all the time. They seem to think that the big corporations will do things for the greater good with less regulations. I say that's ridiculous. Corporations ALWAYS do what's best for their bottom line, unless someone regulates them. Period.

Absolutely! And to think otherwise is, IMO, ignorant. A business is there to thrive and to do so, they drive down costs and maximise profit. In many cases, this involves cutting corners and participating in dirty tactics to get ahead (supermarkets are notorious for undercutting suppliers and completely screwing over the smaller people for increased profit).

If anyone thinks a company will self regulate for the greater good, I question their knowledge of how corporations function. They exist solely for themselves

 

[ax1]

But somebody has to do something that persuades the masses. This may surprise you, but without some form of centralisation, NOTHING will ever get done. Govt. must step in to protect the environment or else we will continue to watch it become destroyed. If you don't think that is happening, then my friend you have not travelled enough.

Government is best at destroying the world.

We have two different trains of though here, you believe in government interventionism, I believe in the people to take on the responsibility as a whole.

Anyways I never said I dont want to protect the environment, but I see nothing good coming from government other than lying to the masses and pushing solutions that make a small group people trillions of dollars due to reactionary issues that have been distorted to the public (man made climate change.)

 

[ax1]

Absolutely! And to think otherwise is, IMO, ignorant. A business is there to thrive and to do so, they drive down costs and maximise profit. In many cases, this involves cutting corners and participating in dirty tactics to get ahead (supermarkets are notorious for undercutting suppliers and completely screwing over the smaller people for increased profit).

If anyone thinks a company will self regulate for the greater good, I question their knowledge of how corporations function. They exist solely for themselves

A business transaction is a contract....a company sells a consumer a good that is not as labeled....you can sue and take them to court....information can be spread and markets will dictate where there profits will go, and its easy to put down one and let better quality competition move up. When you have government for example taking lobby money from Monsanto things are much harder for the people to stand up for. Governments role should only be for protecting the liberties of the people, you cant be a business and harm other people which is when government can step in.

Did government regulate themselves when they zapped gazillions of nukes into the atmosphere and oceans? There isnt too much moral integrity here to put confidence in big government, especially when they are run through lobby by the industries and military industrial complex.

There are many terrific solutions in a Libertarian system to the many problems we face today. Usually government causes the problems, and then people just want more government. Make no logical sense.

 

[Jiigzz]

Government is best at destroying the world.

We have two different trains of though here, you believe in government interventionism, I believe in the people to take on the responsibility as a whole.

Anyways I never said I dont want to protect the environment, but I see nothing good coming from government other than lying to the masses and pushing solutions that make a small group people trillions of dollars due to reactionary issues that have been distorted to the public (man made climate change.)

People and corporations have shown repeatedly they cannot regulate themselves. Noone will take responsibility for their actions unless forced to.

Unless the govt supported having national parks, those areas would have been mined to the ground. Who will stop them if not a govt? Definitely not the people.

Deforestation? The mining of Antartica? Overfishing? All industrys have regulations that get tighter and tighter due to corporations pushing the boundarys on what they should be doing. The fish population around certain areas have declined DRASTICALLY, and would be much worse if the govt didn't have in place regulations to prevent this. Fish size, quota limits and constant enforcement by govt agencies are allowing fish populations to regrow.

People will not self regulate. it is foolish to think we are capable of that

 

[Jiigzz]

A business transaction is a contract....a company sells a consumer a good that is not as labeled....you can sue and take them to court....information can be spread and markets will dictate where there profits will go, and its easy to put down one and let better quality competition move up. When you have government for example taking lobby money from Monsanto things are much harder for the people to stand up for. Governments role should only be for protecting the liberties of the people, you cant be a business and harm other people.

Did government regulate themselves when they zapped gazillions of nukes into the atmosphere and oceans? There isnt too much moral integrity here to put confidence in big government, especially when they are run through lobby by the industries and military industrial complex.

Noone really knew the environmental impact of nuclear weapons prior to testing. Nuclear testing is now frowned upon and govt imposes sanctions on countries that still do them. So yes, they learn and then they regulate

 

[ax1]

Noone really knew the environmental impact of nuclear weapons prior to testing. Nuclear testing is now frowned upon and govt imposes sanctions on countries that still do them. So yes, they learn and then they regulate

They did, they just dont give a damn. Also, the government used our own troops as labratory animals over and over for decades knowingly they can get sick on exposure. They still use nuclear waste even after "sanctions" and they still used chemical weapons on people even after banning them after WWI. Trust me, they dont give a damn. They still used uranium waste during the Iraq war and our troops got cancer from that. There is no moral integrity from these people, at least not in the long term. Dont wanna pollute? Just hire the Chinese to do it, its all political hypocrisy.

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[ax1]

Noone really knew the environmental impact of nuclear weapons prior to testing. Nuclear testing is now frowned upon and govt imposes sanctions on countries that still do them. So yes, they learn and then they regulate

I wonder how they are regulating HAARP these days zapping the ozone layer with high frequency waves? Or regulating our food industry by allowing Monsanto (because they pay politicians including Obama) to genetically modify our natural food resources?

 

[ax1]

If government really gave a crap about the environment they wouldnt be irresponsibly zipping around jets just to promote themselves and win re-elections while telling people its illegal to buy 75 watt lightbulbs.

 

[justhere4comm]

And this is a great time to insert the: Watch Zeitgeist (2007) movie. We are nothing more than sheep without real power over anything, even the lies perpetuated and taught to us and our children etc. etc. etc. Blind faith is always just blind.

I honestly think if we could open our eyes for the first time and lower the veil of ignorance everyone in here would agree. It boils down to, those in power with the money wish to stay in power and get more money to pass the same power down to their own heirs and nobody else, unless they are able to agree to keep the power and money in the small group.

The top 1 percent of the world, own 90% of everything. I think that is an understatement but effectual.
I'm looking forward to getting back in the gym, working out, eating, sleeping, and not thinking about how little control over sh1t we have.

We are here because we don't have anything better to do but discuss these things, and I can see the attraction. It's almost addictive because it serves to fill a small void of self-expression and commonality of message. We bicker about details, but all in all, it's about how to do best for ourselves without effing up the world for others.

The rest of the world looks at the USA and thinks, we all live like the Kardashians. Really. I have a friend from Mexico, and they actually believe the garbage on US Television. It's an effective tool used to really make the world believe our lifestyle is of the Rich and Famous. I'm from Chicago, and today people still think "Bang-Bang Al Copone"... Well, it is still like that actually. Sad. I hate Chicago. Except for the really great food that's bad for you, but overall Illinois is a sh1tty state. The roads suck, and are full of trash. It has to be one of the filthiest cities in the USA. It's Democratic as well, I'm well aware of it. That should illustrate my non-partisanship in some way.

My cousin had a great saying: "Illinois may be ugly, but at least it's flat."

How many do we discuss whom have died because of the greed of others? Do not bring up Obama because our rich country's history is filled with such men you would label on the outgoing administration. These "Great" men hardly served in the military for the most part, and the warmongering fools whom didn't get enough are far too willing to begin new wars.

Now I look at a child-man in Donald Trump. A man that has not worked a day in his life. A man whom is one of the most profound cowards of the privileged idiots I have ever had the poor experience to witness in my life. He's not a man who respects women; the handicapped (obviously) or even people in general ess fortunate than himself. He only thinks of himself. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree, and they attract the worst kind of the same.

It's a sad day when the best we can offer is that blowhard anger tweeting twat.
He's going to get us into a war we don't want.

 

[justhere4comm]

I wonder how they are regulating HAARP these days zapping the ozone layer with high frequency waves? Or regulating our food industry by allowing Monsanto (because they pay politicians including Obama) to genetically modify our natural food resources?

What's worse is this:
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HAARP
Oh, that's just what we think we know. I'm sure there are so many more things we don't.

 

[Jiigzz]

They did, they just dont give a damn. Also, the government used our own troops as labratory animals over and over for decades knowingly they can get sick on exposure. They still use nuclear waste even after "sanctions" and they still used chemical weapons on people even after banning them after WWI. Trust me, they dont give a damn. They still used uranium waste during the Iraq war and our troops got cancer from that. There is no moral integrity from these people, at least not in the long term. Dont wanna pollute? Just hire the Chinese to do it, its all political hypocrisy.

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The problem is, I don't trust your news sources lol. I can post anything on the internet and have it believed if I wanted.

Does that actually mean it happens? hmm

 

[Jiigzz]

I wonder how they are regulating HAARP these days zapping the ozone layer with high frequency waves? Or regulating our food industry by allowing Monsanto (because they pay politicians including Obama) to genetically modify our natural food resources?

Where's your evidence? Also GE food has saved the lives of millions worldwide by creating more stable food sources around the world. It can allow grains to grow and survive in conditions they cannot normally. Wheat is extremely volatile, however its GE variant allows it to last longer.

That's not a bad thing at all.

 

[Jiigzz]

And btw noone is saying the govt is perfect, but if you think corporations and the general public can self regulate each other, I have some bad news for you.

 

[ax1]

The problem is, I don't trust your news sources lol. I can post anything on the internet and have it believed if I wanted.

Does that actually mean it happens? hmm

Oh sure, I don't trust your so oh well.

 

[smith_69]

Where's your evidence? Also GE food has saved the lives of millions worldwide by creating more stable food sources around the world. It can allow grains to grow and survive in conditions they cannot normally. Wheat is extremely volatile, however its GE variant allows it to last longer.

That's not a bad thing at all.

GE brings good things to life

 

[smith_69]

Oh sure, I don't trust your so oh well.

lmao- This message was paid for by the Russians- love this

 

[ax1]

What's worse is this:
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HAARP
Oh, that's just what we think we know. I'm sure there are so many more things we don't.

I'm starting to like you the more I get to know you after you mentioned Pearl Harbor, zeitgeist and you know about HAARP. Have you ever looked into the father of weaponized weather modification weapons? Vietnam era.

Yeah I agree we are probably another 50+ years ahead of the little we know about HAARP.

 

[ax1]

Where's your evidence? Also GE food has saved the lives of millions worldwide by creating more stable food sources around the world. It can allow grains to grow and survive in conditions they cannot normally. Wheat is extremely volatile, however its GE variant allows it to last longer.

That's not a bad thing at all.

No point you already wouldn't believe my sources.

 

[ax1]

lmao- This message was paid for by the Russians- love this

How come you guys there in America always say we stole the election from Hitlery? The whole plan was actually to steal the election away from Gary Johnson! damn US Imperial media lol

 

[thebigt]

But somebody has to do something that persuades the masses. This may surprise you, but without some form of centralisation, NOTHING will ever get done. Govt. must step in to protect the environment or else we will continue to watch it become destroyed. If you don't think that is happening, then my friend you have not travelled enough.

In NZ alone where we pride ourselves in a clean, green image, a lot of our rivers are now so heavily polluted they are required to display signs that the water is not safe for drinking when it used to be safe. Why? Because our dairy industry is completely neglecting the environmental cost of their farms. It costs money to put measures in place, so why spend more when you can pocket more if noone is there to tell you not to?

You might think people will eventually learn to self regulate, but we never will. A business will fail without a structured hierachy because some people are simply not capable of leading themselves, let alone others. I often forget how dumb some people can be until I get on social media - the amount of ignorance is terrifying.

Do I necessary believe the river polution is the source if global warming? I don't know. But what I do know if that humans impact on this earth is definitely not for the better. We may be privileged in the wesrern world to live in comparatively clean areas, but a simple look around the world shows heavy pollution, a destruction of animal habitat, and a devastating shift away from clean and thriving environments. We are a parasitic species, literally destroying anything and everything for financial gain.

boy, new zealand is tough...to migrate you...
1 have a skill
2.be under 56
3.you, or you AND you family, must meet all health, character and English requirements
4.you must be able to meet a pass mark of 100 points in the points system to register an expression of interest


btw-how many refugees has new Zealand taken?

new Zealand is 69% white European, with the closest minority group being the indigenous maori at 14.6 percent.

 

[Misfit28]

The problem of your definition of no worse off than before is subjective to your worldview, which in fact you do argue liberal points, regardless of your claims. No worse off, then why did my wife lose her part time job at a hospital when the Obamacare employer mandate was set to take affect? Along with every other part time employee, that was working 30 hrs/week. Thy were all made into a PRN classification and scheduled for 20hrs/week max. Since they were no longer counted as part time employees, they no longer counted in the mandate. Then when he feds declared a full time job as less than 40 hrs week, that meant those working part time positions between 30-40hrs/week lost many hours and therefor lost income. Including my household. So I'm glad your green cars make you feel good, but thanks to obamacare my household income went down due to loss wages as well as increased insurance costs. And that's just a starter.

Out of curiosity, what position are we talking about?

 

[Jiigzz]

boy, new zealand is tough...to migrate you...
1 have a skill
2.be under 56
3.you, or you AND you family, must meet all health, character and English requirements
4.you must be able to meet a pass mark of 100 points in the points system to register an expression of interest


btw-how many refugees has new Zealand taken?

new Zealand is 69% white European, with the closest minority group being the indigenous maori at 14.6 percent.

We take in 750 refugees annually.

 

[Jiigzz]

No point you already wouldn't believe my sources.

Prob because your sources will say GE food has a mind control device implanted in it and that Big Pharma is using that to make us pay more for medications. Am I close?

If GE foods save billions worldwide from starvation, something neither of us have any real threat of experiencing, then i'm all for it.

 

[thebigt]

We take in 750 refugees annually.

guess you don't need to build a wall, lol


750 per year is a joke-right?

 

[muscleupcrohn]

How come you guys there in America always say we stole the election from Hitlery? The whole plan was actually to steal the election away from Gary Johnson! damn US Imperial media lol

Hell, the Democrats stole their nomination from Sanders. I'm not a big fan of Sanders, but Bernie >>> Hillary.

And btw noone is saying the govt is perfect, but if you think corporations and the general public can self regulate each other, I have some bad news for you.

One issue is when the corporations have a bigger influence on, and say in, the government than the people/public does. That's not capitalism, it's corporatism.

 

[Jiigzz]

Hell, the Democrats stole their nomination from Sanders. I'm not a big fan of Sanders, but Bernie >>> Hillary.

One issue is when the corporations have a bigger influence on, and say in, the government than the people/public does. That's not capitalism, it's corporatism.

So if corporations are using positional power to bend the rules, what's stopping them from bending the rules if govt does not regulate them? Seems like they are hell bent on pushing the envelope for the better of the shareholder, so what makes anyone think they are capable of self regulating?

Self-regulating attempts may well fail, due to the inherent conflict of interest in asking any organization to police itself. If the public becomes aware of this failure, an external, independent organization is often given the duty of policing them, sometimes with highly punitive measures taken against the organization. The results can be disastrous, such as a military with no external, independent oversight, which may commit human rights violations against the public. Not all businesses will voluntarily meet best practice standards, leaving some users expose

Cereal companies, for instance, predominantly market high sugar cereals to children because they tend to consume more of it. Forget the fact that childhood obesity is on the rise, as long as you sell more cereal, then all is well.

Look at whats happened with Pharmaceutical companies lately, do we really trust them to self regulate?

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Bottom line: Companies exist to make a profit. See here:

There is a long history of such pledges across industries as disparate as tobacco, alcohol, motion pictures, forestry, and marine fisheries. Self-regulatory pledges by the food industry are relatively new and may, as industry claims, benefit public health, or they may be self-serving and deceptive, stall needed government action, and protect business as usual.10–14

I dunno, I just don't trust most companies to be ethical in regulating themselves, and often the public is far to misinformed to know better. Kind of similar in that we can have people voting on issues in which they have zero understanding of (see Brexit for example).

 

[muscleupcrohn]

So if corporations are using positional power to bend the rules, what's stopping them from bending the rules if govt does not regulate them? Seems like they are hell bent on pushing the envelope for the better of the shareholder, so what makes anyone think they are capable of self regulating?



Cereal companies, for instance, predominantly market high sugar cereals to children because they tend to consume more of it. Forget the fact that childhood obesity is on the rise, as long as you sell more cereal, then all is well.

Look at whats happened with Pharmaceutical companies lately, do we really trust them to self regulate?

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Bottom line: Companies exist to make a profit. See here:



I dunno, I just don't trust most companies to be ethical in regulating themselves, and often the public is far to misinformed to know better. Kind of similar in that we can have people voting on issues in which they have zero understanding of (see Brexit for example).

I am well aware that companies exist to make a profit, and I don't disagree at all. I wasn't suggesting that we abolish all government regulations on the economy and companies, only that more government intervention isn't necessarily always the right answer to acting in the best interest of the people. I wasn't really even making any suggestions myself, as I don't have all the answers.

 

[thebigt]

Jiigzz I want to know what new Zealand does with those 750 yearly refugees since they don't meet the criteria for immigration-no English, no skills and health...or do you screen around 30,000 and pick the best ones? even then they don't have housing, money, resources....maybe skills/english?...what is the general feeling of the population that is going to foot the bill for these refugees?


I am really curious how new Zealanders feel about this.

 

[ax1]

I dunno, I just don't trust most companies to be ethical in regulating themselves, and often the public is far to misinformed to know better.

Id be far more comfortable with government handling regulations if we would ban lobby and outlaw any type of financial incentives and donations to public servants along with stock rights, etc.... That is just not the case here in the USA.

More than often government regulations here suppress the smaller guy and eliminates the competition of the elite.

 

[justhere4comm]

<<. Wants to move to NZ.

 

[ax1]

Kind of similar in that we can have people voting on issues in which they have zero understanding of (see Brexit for example).

I dont understand why you dont support democracy. Who in the right mind would want some foreign group of unelected elites being the masters of the your country?

How about we just let some elites run New Zeland from now on, they will create a regulation book of hundreds of thousands of pages for you to follow, and they flood more refugees into your country and your own tax payers have to pay for them by force and tell you not to fish in your own waters because Cuba has those rights?

 

[thebigt]

<<. Wants to move to NZ.

are you kidding? why would I want to move...TRUMP IS PRESIDENT.

the worst is over, if I wanted to move it would have been if Hillary were elected!!!


TRUMP IS PRESIDENT...NANA NA NA NANA!!!!:bling:

 

[thebigt]

I dont understand why you dont support democracy. Who in the right mind would want some foreign group of unelected elites being the masters of the your country?

How about we just let some elites run New Zeland from now on, they will create a regulation book of hundreds of thousands of pages for you to follow, and they flood more refugees into your country and your own tax payers have to pay for them by force and tell you not to fish in your own waters because Cuba has those rights?

nah, new Zealand is way to elitist to let a bunch of refugees flood into their country.:147:

 

[ax1]

nah, new Zealand is way to elitist to let a bunch of refugees flood into their country.:147:

We have more sneaking in weekly with border patrol ordered to jerk off and watch than they take in a year.

 

[thebigt]

We have more sneaking in weekly with border patrol ordered to jerk off and watch than they take in a year.

more like a day....and aint none of them getting in without a thorough vetting, bet on it!!! at just 750 a year they can pick and choose!!

 

[Misfit28]

are you kidding? why would I want to move...TRUMP IS PRESIDENT.

the worst is over, if I wanted to move it would have been if Hillary were elected!!!


TRUMP IS PRESIDENT...NANA NA NA NANA!!!!:bling:

That's why

 

[thebigt]

That's why

gonna be a GREAT 4 years-maybe 8, lol.:dance:

 

[Misfit28]

gonna be a GREAT 4 years-maybe 8, lol.:dance:

We'll see, I suppose.

 

[Jiigzz]

guess you don't need to build a wall, lol


750 per year is a joke-right?

We are a population of 4,000,000, the US is a population of ~320,000,000. The US now wants to allow refugee status to 100,000 refugees in 2017.

For the NZ that 750 represents 0.01 of our population and for the US that 100,000 equals 0.03 roughly. This has gone up since the Syrian refugee crisis, as in 2015 the US only allowed in 70,000 which is 0.02.

The NZ in 2018 will allow 1000, which makes it 0.025%.

Scale matters.

 

[Misfit28]

We are a population of 4,000,000, the US is a population of ~320,000,000 now wants to allow refugee status to 100,000 refugees in 2017. For the NZ, that represents 0.01 of our population and for the US 0.03. This has gone up since the Syrian refugee crisis, as in 2015 the US only allowed in 70,000 which is 0.02.

Scale matters.

Yes, and assumptions that people don't have skills simply because they are immigrants is wrongheaded IMO as well.

 

[Jiigzz]

Jiigzz I want to know what new Zealand does with those 750 yearly refugees since they don't meet the criteria for immigration-no English, no skills and health...or do you screen around 30,000 and pick the best ones? even then they don't have housing, money, resources....maybe skills/english?...what is the general feeling of the population that is going to foot the bill for these refugees?


I am really curious how new Zealanders feel about this.

Imagine being in their shoes, your country is torn apart by the very people you are seeking asylum from. IMO the US owes it to foreign countries it invades and ultimately destroys/ severely disrupts (sometimes on sketchy grounds as is the case with Iraq).

I don't mind it, personally from those who have no other choice. I do mind it when people come here (much like you would) illegally.

 

[thebigt]

Yes, and assumptions that people don't have skills simply because they are immigrants is wrongheaded IMO as well.

if you notice I put a ? by skills, but I would bet that the vast majority of refugees from Aleppo don't have skills compatible to a modern workforce, plus you have the language barrier....

 

[Misfit28]

if you notice I put a ? by skills, but I would bet that the vast majority of refugees from Aleppo don't have skills compatible to a modern workforce, plus you have the language barrier....

So where do you suggest people who have been bombed out of their homes by Trump's buddy go?

 

[thebigt]

Imagine being in their shoes, your country is torn apart by the very people you are seeking asylum from. IMO the US owes it to foreign countries it invades and ultimately destroys/ severely disrupts (sometimes on sketchy grounds as is the case with Iraq).

I don't mind it, personally from those who have no other choice. I do mind it when people come here (much like you would) illegally.

if the president decides to force letting them in without at least consulting congress what is the difference. but you are right, Obama feels guilty about the refugees because the blood is all over his hands.....Obama and Clinton [Hillary] are to blame for the disaster in middle east, imo....Obama is/was a horrible president.

 

[Misfit28]

if the president decides to force letting them in without at least consulting congress what is the difference. but you are right, Obama feels guilty about the refugees because the blood is all over his hands.....Obama and Clinton [Hillary] are to blame for the disaster in middle east, imo....Obama is/was a horrible president.

The problems in the Middle East started long before Obama or Hillary.

 

[thebigt]

So where do you suggest people who have been bombed out of their homes by Trump's buddy go?

well, for one why aren't they going to wealthy arab/muslim states where they would fit in much better?

on the other hand, once they come here the chances of them returning are very slim, I really think if we invested the money required[and appropriate protection] that refugee camps would be a viable option, once the fighting is over we could invest in helping them re-build their country-it wouldn't be the 1st time.