Epistane, Trest, Super-11

[sespress]

I have a set. They are nice, and as long as you don't drop them, are still like new almost 3 years later. The only slight negative I could give, would be that they are larger than your std DB at whatever weight, so you may have to slightly adjust a technique here or there.

Take a look at Titan Fitness' adjustables (black) - not as high-tech, being old-school threaded 1"ers, but a pair of 100lb'ers can be had for ~$195 with discounts.

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That's a nice set, I don't mind the threaded part that's what I have going on now at home. I want something to bring into the office you see, so the footprint is the major factor.

So dropping the Bowflex is gonna really screw it up huh? Did that happen to one of yours?

 

[The_Old_Guy]

That's a nice set, I don't mind the threaded part that's what I have going on now at home. I want something to bring into the office you see, so the footprint is the major factor.

So dropping the Bowflex is gonna really screw it up huh? Did that happen to one of yours?

Dropping them can snap the retention mechanism. Are they super delicate - no, I have unintentionally had one hit harder than I'd like and they are fine, but you are taking a risk with any dropping.

 

[mmorso]

^^^a good thing with adjustable dbs is that you can load them unilaterally for forearm curls, which rock

 

[saywutrly]

FWIW, I got rebound gyno from 50-75mg of oral Trest run with IM test, yet DIDN'T get any on my LMG/epistane stack. May be food for thought as both are known to aggravate gyno. If you're running your AI low with any significant amount of trest, keep that Letro and Nolva within arm's reach at all times. You never know when it shall strike.

 

[sespress]

FWIW, I got rebound gyno from 50-75mg of oral Trest run with IM test, yet DIDN'T get any on my LMG/epistane stack. May be food for thought as both are known to aggravate gyno. If you're running your AI low with any significant amount of trest, keep that Letro and Nolva within arm's reach at all times. You never know when it shall strike.

The armory is fully loaded for all the just in cases. I'm wondering how much adjustment will be needed with the exemestane. When did the rebound hit? How long after PCT? What AI did you use?

 

[dvw]

Fasted cardio is going to drop weight faster than any supps or androgens. Do more cardio rather then take more stuff. Keep it simple.

 

[habajaba]

Dropping them can snap the retention mechanism. Are they super delicate - no, I have unintentionally had one hit harder than I'd like and they are fine, but you are taking a risk with any dropping.

I dropped one of my 1090's a few months ago. I work out in my bedroom. Was doing overhead tricep extensions at the end of my workout, I was already toast. Pushed myself for the final rep. Growling, I tossed it onto my bed. And it bounced onto the floor. Cracked the plastic tab on the heaviest plate. I bought a new plate from Bowflex, for about $50 after tax and shipping. But the mechanism has a little extra friction than normal. I guess I'll have to get a handle rebuild kit to get it to 100%. Totally usable and safe now, at least.

 

[Woody]

I dropped one of my 1090's a few months ago. I work out in my bedroom. Was doing overhead tricep extensions at the end of my workout, I was already toast. Pushed myself for the final rep. Growling, I tossed it onto my bed. And it bounced onto the floor. Cracked the plastic tab on the heaviest plate. I bought a new plate from Bowflex, for about $50 after tax and shipping. But the mechanism has a little extra friction than normal. I guess I'll have to get a handle rebuild kit to get it to 100%. Totally usable and safe now, at least.

How do these work?

 

[habajaba]

How do these work?

Are you asking HOW it works or how WELL it works?

I'm no engineer, so I'm not totally sure how it works. Mostly magic, I think...

As for how well. I've had mine for about 7 years. And I had (now my wife's) a set of 552 before that. The 552 had a little more friction in the mechanism. But the 1090's are very smooth. The 1090's adjust from 10-90# and the 552 got 5-52.5. The only equipment I use in my workouts are the selecttechs, a set of bands, push-up stands, and doorway pull up bar. They get a lot of use and work very well for me.

 

[sespress]

I dropped one of my 1090's a few months ago. I work out in my bedroom. Was doing overhead tricep extensions at the end of my workout, I was already toast. Pushed myself for the final rep. Growling, I tossed it onto my bed. And it bounced onto the floor. Cracked the plastic tab on the heaviest plate. I bought a new plate from Bowflex, for about $50 after tax and shipping. But the mechanism has a little extra friction than normal. I guess I'll have to get a handle rebuild kit to get it to 100%. Totally usable and safe now, at least.

OK that's good to know so you were able to get them to ship a replacement part. A bit steep but hey at least that's possible. I saw some strange brand of knock offs but only $50 something less and what I was thinking was "this **** will break and this Korean company isn't gonna care". Bowflex has a decent rep for helping with equipment. My dad used that rubber band machine of there's for YEARS he still has it might be like over a decade. And yes it broke at one point and he got them to get him parts also. I happen to hate resistance bands used that way but it's still obviously a quality product.

I had a set of dumbbells that were slide the plate and then use a wrench to tighten the "clip" together. Yeah screw that was doing the tricep behind the head and the bottom stack disconnected and hit my ass and ankles on the way down and the difference in weight I practically threw the thing into the ceiling.

If I find it I'll send a photo cause it's easily the most dangerous design I've ever seen.

 

[sespress]

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Yep look at that crap.

 

[saywutrly]

The armory is fully loaded for all the just in cases. I'm wondering how much adjustment will be needed with the exemestane. When did the rebound hit? How long after PCT? What AI did you use?

I was using exemestane all the way through. I was at 6.25 a day and then kicked it to 12.5 when the long esters built up (Sustanon based cycle).

I was down to 80mg a day of toremifene (start of PCT week 4, started 3 weeks after my last Sust inject to allow the long esters to clear, but ran Trest and HCG all the way up until the day before PCT) and had kicked the exemestane up to a flat 20mg (one of the benefits of liquids) for PCT.

One night I was like "wow this nip is itchy" so I kicked up to 25mg on the exem. In the morning, it already had a painful, pea-size lump so I went right to the Letro, 2.5mg. This obliterated the small bit of gyno by the next morning, so I ran 2.5mg the following day day and dropped to 1.25mg for the following 3 days.

Everything was normal until I dropped Letro and went back to exem. 2 days and the lump was back. I thought my exem was bunk until I did some digging and found that some people have big problems and have to run Letro as their on-cycle AI with Trest due to the 7aa-estrogenic issues. That, and it worked perfectly well for over 600mg a week of Sust

I'm now paranoid and instead of finishing my PCT on the 31st as was planned, I'm running 1.25mg Letro and 10mg nolva (my research shows that its the best SERM for holding down gyno which is why I keep it on deck even though I prefer torem.)

All symptoms are now gone. With no low e2 sides apart from some joints being more achey than normal, I'm led to believe that things are back under control. Follow up labs aren't scheduled for another few weeks. I'll definitely be setting aside extra coin for more on-cycle labs next time I run Trest.

 

[saywutrly]

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Yep look at that crap.

Typically with those collars you see notches/grooves into which the bolt seats. That's quite dangerous set up that way.

 

[The_Old_Guy]

I dropped one of my 1090's a few months ago. I work out in my bedroom. Was doing overhead tricep extensions at the end of my workout, I was already toast. Pushed myself for the final rep. Growling, I tossed it onto my bed. And it bounced onto the floor. Cracked the plastic tab on the heaviest plate. I bought a new plate from Bowflex, for about $50 after tax and shipping. But the mechanism has a little extra friction than normal. I guess I'll have to get a handle rebuild kit to get it to 100%. Totally usable and safe now, at least.

Yeah, there's a couple vids on YouTube on how to fix them - apparently there is a disassembly nut under the end caps. One guy fixed a cracked tab with JB Weld and it was back to new. If you don't drop them they last forever. I like them if you can find them on a deal - IIRC I got them for under $250. The knockoffs you find on Ebay are actually probably the same exact thing - one place usually makes all of something (saw this in the SCUBA industry)... but like mentioned, warranty issues would be a nightmare probably.

 

[sespress]

Typically with those collars you see notches/grooves into which the bolt seats. That's quite dangerous set up that way.

Yeah it was stupid using them at all, once with the weights dropping off will learn you about proper equipment lol. They just chill in the corner now.

 

[sespress]

Yeah, there's a couple vids on YouTube on how to fix them - apparently there is a disassembly nut under the end caps. One guy fixed a cracked tab with JB Weld and it was back to new. If you don't drop them they last forever. I like them if you can find them on a deal - IIRC I got them for under $250. The knockoffs you find on Ebay are actually probably the same exact thing - one place usually makes all of something (saw this in the SCUBA industry)... but like mentioned, warranty issues would be a nightmare probably.

JB weld is amazing stuff.

I had some roommates a while back in scuba classes I remember that stuff was wicked expensive.

 

[Woody]

I was using exemestane all the way through. I was at 6.25 a day and then kicked it to 12.5 when the long esters built up (Sustanon based cycle).

I was down to 80mg a day of toremifene (start of PCT week 4, started 3 weeks after my last Sust inject to allow the long esters to clear, but ran Trest and HCG all the way up until the day before PCT) and had kicked the exemestane up to a flat 20mg (one of the benefits of liquids) for PCT.

One night I was like "wow this nip is itchy" so I kicked up to 25mg on the exem. In the morning, it already had a painful, pea-size lump so I went right to the Letro, 2.5mg. This obliterated the small bit of gyno by the next morning, so I ran 2.5mg the following day day and dropped to 1.25mg for the following 3 days.

Everything was normal until I dropped Letro and went back to exem. 2 days and the lump was back. I thought my exem was bunk until I did some digging and found that some people have big problems and have to run Letro as their on-cycle AI with Trest due to the 7aa-estrogenic issues. That, and it worked perfectly well for over 600mg a week of Sust

I'm now paranoid and instead of finishing my PCT on the 31st as was planned, I'm running 1.25mg Letro and 10mg nolva (my research shows that its the best SERM for holding down gyno which is why I keep it on deck even though I prefer torem.)

All symptoms are now gone. With no low e2 sides apart from some joints being more achey than normal, I'm led to believe that things are back under control. Follow up labs aren't scheduled for another few weeks. I'll definitely be setting aside extra coin for more on-cycle labs next time I run Trest.

With RC Exemestane, it's possible it was bunk or underdosed. Nolva prevents binding to the boobie but doesn't do much for the excess of estrogen

 

[Brandinooooo]

With RC Exemestane, it's possible it was bunk or underdosed. Nolva prevents binding to the boobie but doesn't do much for the excess of estrogen

Boobies?

 

[saywutrly]

Yeah it was stupid using them at all, once with the weights dropping off will learn you about proper equipment lol. They just chill in the corner now.

Hey, you gotta do what you gotta do for the gains. At least you got some extra weight plates for your next set so long as they are conventional haha.

JB weld is amazing stuff.

I had some roommates a while back in scuba classes I remember that stuff was wicked expensive.

But worth every penny. A little dab will do ya. I've seen this stuff fix engine blocks more than once.

With RC Exemestane, it's possible it was bunk or underdosed. Nolva prevents binding to the boobie but doesn't do much for the excess of estrogen

Yessir, that's what the Letro is for haha. That's definitely working. It could have been an underdose situation, but it worked just fine on cycle. Perhaps the torem was underdosed?

Boobies?

Technically, boobie. I unfortunately had the makings of one lol.

 

[mmorso]

saywutrly how much trest were you using? Was it oral or TD?

 

[sespress]

Boobies?

Seriously? You don't post except to sub in and apon hearing "bobbies". Lol.

 

[sespress]

Also if gyno is gonna happen it could at least be symmetrical right?

 

[sespress]

Got my blood drawn earlier, post the results in a day or two.

 

[saywutrly]

saywutrly how much trest were you using? Was it oral or TD?

I don't want to threadjack so if the convo goes too long I'll post the link to my thread on the cycle. I hadn't updated it.but after this development might not be a bad idea.

Anyway, I was up to 75mg a day oral Trest (started as just pre-workout, but the **** makes you feel and look like such a badass). This was on top of ~700mg a week of Sustanon.

 

[mmorso]

I don't want to threadjack so if the convo goes too long I'll post the link to my thread on the cycle. I hadn't updated it.but after this development might not be a bad idea.

Anyway, I was up to 75mg a day oral Trest (started as just pre-workout, but the **** makes you feel and look like such a badass). This was on top of ~700mg a week of Sustanon.

Huh... I'm planning on dtrest and oral trest preworkout to kick start a test e cycle. I wasn't planning on getting letro but maybe I should

I was also thinking of just 12.5 eod of exem.

 

[sespress]

Huh... I'm planning on dtrest and oral trest preworkout to kick start a test e cycle. I wasn't planning on getting letro but maybe I should

I was also thinking of just 12.5 eod of exem.

That was my plan. But I grabbed some letro as well just in case and some prami. Hopefully it will not be needed.
What doses were you going for?

And no worries on thread jacking guys. Post whatever, this is on a good topic.

 

[mmorso]

That was my plan. But I grabbed some letro as well just in case and some prami. Hopefully it will not be needed.
What doses were you going for?

And no worries on thread jacking guys. Post whatever, this is on a good topic.

I'm gonna do 15 wk recomp... I'm leaning towards:

1-12 Test E 500mg/wk
1-8 dtrest 100mg
2-15 T3 50-100mcg
7-15 Anavar 50mg
1 cap of oral trest pwo only

I might nix the trest and Anavar and run 6 wks of Tr3n at 90mg as a kicker. I did buy the all the trest though. Lol

But either way I'm buying some caber to have on hand

 

[sespress]

I'm gonna do 15 wk recomp... I'm leaning towards:

1-12 Test E 500mg/wk
1-8 dtrest 100mg
2-15 T3 50-100mcg
7-15 Anavar 50mg
1 cap of oral trest pwo only

I might nix the trest and Anavar and run 6 wks of Tr3n at 90mg as a kicker. I did buy the all the trest though. Lol

But either way I'm buying some caber to have on hand

Are you of the opinion that t3 needs to be run with gear to prevent catabolic results? I've read yes and no at the dose your talking about. Thought about it myself but decided to not run it. Using Clen actually right now at 75mcg/day as I discovered Taurine fixes the muscle spasm issue (thank God they are vicious without it). But I've heard that's gonna be catabolic also, so I'm keeping it low and taking my natural products, and a peptide or two to attempt to fight that off. For a limit of 1 month. Just to peel off a bit more before my run. I think I can drop another 2% bf by then and possibly weigh in at 245. That would be a total change of 35lbs and 10%bf over the last year, or 20lbs and 4-5%bf lost since my last run (some water weight). I'm gonna go ahead and pay myself on the back for that. Even my doc was surprised about my weight loss.

So, follow up...why anavar? Isn't that stuff weak in comparison with test/Trest? Does it help with anything, like are using it as a support?

 

[sespress]

I've been thinking about it some and apparently 6-8 weeks of epistane is kinda max. Wondering if I could do what you're doing mmorso and toss XYZ in there in the beginning or end to lengthen the run to 12+ weeks. I was hoping I could grab some super-19 before hand, but it's not shipping yet so that might be the end of the run. I tried a diff 19 product but I'll not buy that one again, very disappointed in its potency. I'll wait for OL to release as I trust them and sseds delivery system.

So I could:

Forget 19 all together:
1-12 - low to moderate dose of super 1 (TD)
2-8 - moderate epistane dose
1-12 - super11 @ 1ml
2-12 - dermatrest @ 1ml
2-12 - oral Trest pwo @ 50mg

Or run it at the end with super1:
1-8 - moderate epistane dose
1-12 - Trest (slightly lower dosing than above, TD. same oral dose.)
6-12 - super-19
1-12 - super 11
6-14 - super 1 (TD)

I dunno if there a max on TD product that one can take, I'll have to apply it equally across much of the torso and rotate if I use 3 TD products. I'm not gonna have my skin slough off am I?

I've got super2 hanging about also but I've read mixed info about its efficacy. Trenevar also but it currently seems out of my league.

 

[habajaba]

I'd be careful with the trest since the estro sides are more likely with higher bf.

 

[mmorso]

Clen is anti-catabolic bro.. take some ketotifen with it so it's effective longer than 2 wks...

I guess we'll see about T3.. ive heard its anabolic at low doses (50mcg) and I'm planning on upping the dose when the test kicks in around wk 4.

Anavar I've only heard great reviews about for cutting/recomp. It's price as hell, which makes me want to say fck it and run some tren as a kicker to a test and t3 cycle. Idk we'll see what I decide on.

For what you're planning, I don't know that I'd add/mix 19nor with trest.. might get too much e issues

 

[sespress]

That's fair. So Super-1? I mean I can just stick to the normal plan here too. Why do I read elsewhere on here that taking Clen without gear is bad? Crazy. I hate it when information is so different depending on where you find it. Although I do take your opinion higher than some random poster on other boards or even here. You guys (@habajaba included) post a lot and have good info I've never found anything that contradicts you guys in a scientific fashion.

 

[mmorso]

That's fair. So Super-1? I mean I can just stick to the normal plan here too. Why do I read elsewhere on here that taking Clen without gear is bad? Crazy. I hate it when information is so different depending on where you find it. Although I do take your opinion higher than some random poster on other boards or even here. You guys (@habajaba included) post a lot and have good info I've never found anything that contradicts you guys in a scientific fashion.

I'm learning myself and am by no means very knowledgeable bro. What I do know though is that the main benefits of running Clen is that it's anti-catabolic and will allow the user to go into a more severe caloric deficit.

Likewise, Clen can be used in PCT to prevent some of the muscle loss that can happen in pct....

 

[The_Old_Guy]

Please just use Albuterol instead. It's approved for human use in the U.S. They give it to kids (in 2-4mg doses). There is a research study on fat loss and anabolisim:

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What is Sup3r-1 TD - they make a trans-dermal?

 

[sespress]

Please just use Albuterol instead. It's approved for human use in the U.S. They give it to kids (in 2-4mg doses). There is a research study on fat loss and anabolisim:

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What is Sup3r-1 TD - they make a trans-dermal?

Yeah I shouldn't have used the super there. It's another company but yes, TD 1 andro from alphaGainz. Not sure how long it's been around. I picked up one bottle as it was on sale.

Also albuterol has a really short life in the body doesn't it? That's why Clen is so popular. At sub 100mcg doses Clen has only the cramping sides for me, which 5G of taurine completely got rid of. I think some guys run it easily over 150 but that's a lot IMO. How would you recommend running Albuterol dose wise?

 

[sespress]

I'm learning myself and am by no means very knowledgeable bro. What I do know though is that the main benefits of running Clen is that it's anti-catabolic and will allow the user to go into a more severe caloric deficit.

Likewise, Clen can be used in PCT to prevent some of the muscle loss that can happen in pct....

Oh your more knowledgeable than I sir. But we are all learning all the time. Still I appreciate your input

 

[sespress]

OK Bloods are back. I have a few high numbers, gonna post and see what everyone thinks. I may need to rethink if these are a sign of an incomplete PCT or any other issues. Long post and I tried to format it for easy reading but trying to make a table output on this forum is a pain.

Testosterone, Serum 625 -- 348-1197 ng/dL
(does this seem normal? I read online 600-700 is normal for a 33 year old, if a bit on the low end of that spectrum)

LH 10.4 HIGH -- 1.7-8.6 mIU/mL
(what does having high LH mean?)

FSH 11.8 -- 1.5-12.4 mIU/mL

Estradiol 54.0 HIGH -- 7.6-42.6 pg/mL
(This is high, could this be an effect of high BF% or a sign of incomplete PCT?)

Other High numbers:
Glucose, Serum 102 HIGH -- 65-99 mg/dL
(didn't fast and ate before-hand this was told to me to be OK by the LAB for the other numbers, but I expect Glucose was high as a result of a recent meal only. I took my Glucose number at home just now and got 82).

Lymphs (Absolute) 3.2 HIGH -- 0.7-3.1
(Could this be from anti-Cortisol products? I'm taking VII-KT from Iron Legion. My understanding is reducing cortisol increases immune system, so ... Lymph #'s?, it's not that far over the mark).

Creatinine, Serum 1.32 HIGH -- 0.76-1.27 mg/dL
(I take a PWO with Creatine, so I expect that's where this comes from.)

Sodium, Serum 145 HIGH -- 134-144 mmol/L
(again this isn't even 1% over, but it is a good sign I need to reduce sodium intake. I have well water and a softener, that could be why also.)

Liver Enzymes are high:
AST (SGOT) 75 HIGH -- 0-40 IU/L
ALT (SGPT) 210 HIGH -- 0-44 IU/L
(I'm thinking of an issue ... over supplementation. I can't think of what else would elevate my liver. I quit drinking a while ago and no OTC painkillers in recent days. Could this be simply I'm taking too many supps? Do these numbers preclude using a Methylated compounds, I'll be using TUDCA when on cycle. Maybe I should start it now? Or just cut out some of the Natty boosters?)
Currently taking: Diesle Test (PWO only). OxyMax XT, and AlphaMax XT, Invictus + VII-KT. I take prescription Lyrica for nerve damage occurred in my car accident @ 450MG daily (high dose). I am currently stepping off of Lyrica b/c of cost. 100/month w/ insurance. Can't keep that up for ever and the price just keeps going up.

Everything else is within normal ranges. Even the high numbers (except for enzyme counts) were only a point or two above the reference range. I'm not worried about 1/5 of a % out of range. Also I looked up elevated enzymes and there are a ton of reasons they could be high so maybe I cut out my supps now and test again in a week or two?

Feedback desired!

 

[dvw]

700 mg sustanon? Holy fuark man!

I don't want to threadjack so if the convo goes too long I'll post the link to my thread on the cycle. I hadn't updated it.but after this development might not be a bad idea.

Anyway, I was up to 75mg a day oral Trest (started as just pre-workout, but the **** makes you feel and look like such a badass). This was on top of ~700mg a week of Sustanon.

 

[habajaba]

OK Bloods are back. I have a few high numbers, gonna post and see what everyone thinks. I may need to rethink if these are a sign of an incomplete PCT or any other issues. Long post and I tried to format it for easy reading but trying to make a table output on this forum is a pain.

Testosterone, Serum 625 -- 348-1197 ng/dL
(does this seem normal? I read online 600-700 is normal for a 33 year old, if a bit on the low end of that spectrum)

LH 10.4 HIGH -- 1.7-8.6 mIU/mL
(what does having high LH mean?)

FSH 11.8 -- 1.5-12.4 mIU/mL

Estradiol 54.0 HIGH -- 7.6-42.6 pg/mL
(This is high, could this be an effect of high BF% or a sign of incomplete PCT?)

Other High numbers:
Glucose, Serum 102 HIGH -- 65-99 mg/dL
(didn't fast and ate before-hand this was told to me to be OK by the LAB for the other numbers, but I expect Glucose was high as a result of a recent meal only. I took my Glucose number at home just now and got 82).

Lymphs (Absolute) 3.2 HIGH -- 0.7-3.1
(Could this be from anti-Cortisol products? I'm taking VII-KT from Iron Legion. My understanding is reducing cortisol increases immune system, so ... Lymph #'s?, it's not that far over the mark).

Creatinine, Serum 1.32 HIGH -- 0.76-1.27 mg/dL
(I take a PWO with Creatine, so I expect that's where this comes from.)

Sodium, Serum 145 HIGH -- 134-144 mmol/L
(again this isn't even 1% over, but it is a good sign I need to reduce sodium intake. I have well water and a softener, that could be why also.)

Liver Enzymes are high:
AST (SGOT) 75 HIGH -- 0-40 IU/L
ALT (SGPT) 210 HIGH -- 0-44 IU/L
(I'm thinking of an issue ... over supplementation. I can't think of what else would elevate my liver. I quit drinking a while ago and no OTC painkillers in recent days. Could this be simply I'm taking too many supps? Do these numbers preclude using a Methylated compounds, I'll be using TUDCA when on cycle. Maybe I should start it now? Or just cut out some of the Natty boosters?)
Currently taking: Diesle Test (PWO only). OxyMax XT, and AlphaMax XT, Invictus + VII-KT. I take prescription Lyrica for nerve damage occurred in my car accident @ 450MG daily (high dose). I am currently stepping off of Lyrica b/c of cost. 100/month w/ insurance. Can't keep that up for ever and the price just keeps going up.

Everything else is within normal ranges. Even the high numbers (except for enzyme counts) were only a point or two above the reference range. I'm not worried about 1/5 of a % out of range. Also I looked up elevated enzymes and there are a ton of reasons they could be high so maybe I cut out my supps now and test again in a week or two?

Feedback desired!

How long was your last cycle and PCT? How long since you finished PCT? Looks like your LH is up from PCT still and that can raise your estrogen. The liver enzymes could be the same story. Still recovering from cycle.

I've always supplemented with creatine and it never effected creatinine. Creatinine is a measure of your kidney function. How much water are you drinking? could also be off because you are? I've always had bloods done fasted just so I knew these type of numbers would come back right. Only time I didn't fast was the TRT doc's test because I knew he only ran things unaffected by eating.

Not sure what lymphs tests show. Test number looks normal.

 

[sespress]

How long was your last cycle and PCT? How long since you finished PCT? Looks like your LH is up from PCT still and that can raise your estrogen. The liver enzymes could be the same story. Still recovering from cycle.

I've always supplemented with creatine and it never effected creatinine. Creatinine is a measure of your kidney function. How much water are you drinking? could also be off because you are? I've always had bloods done fasted just so I knew these type of numbers would come back right. Only time I didn't fast was the TRT doc's test because I knew he only ran things unaffected by eating.

Not sure what lymphs tests show. Test number looks normal.

Thanks man.

8 weeks since PCT. PCT was 4 weeks of Nova and clomid split dose of 25ea each day. Cycle was 8 weeks of 4-andro/Epi andro. I started off with a bottle of a 19 product but it I'm fairly sure was underdosed and I didn't continue it as it was massively expensive. That would be like 2 more weeks - so 10 total bit like I said I think the other stuff wasn't doing crap and I bought it on eBay so I figured the guy let out in the heat or it was mad old or bsl just sucks. Dunno. Got it entirely on the word That 19 product would be good for the joints.

I'm pretty close to a gallon a day right now. I mean I have my days where I don't but at least 1.5L on those days anyhow.

So this is what then? Do I hop back on the PCT meds or just hold tight and get retested? Needs more of a break?

 

[sespress]

How long was your last cycle and PCT? How long since you finished PCT? Looks like your LH is up from PCT still and that can raise your estrogen. The liver enzymes could be the same story. Still recovering from cycle.

I've always supplemented with creatine and it never effected creatinine. Creatinine is a measure of your kidney function. How much water are you drinking? could also be off because you are? I've always had bloods done fasted just so I knew these type of numbers would come back right. Only time I didn't fast was the TRT doc's test because I knew he only ran things unaffected by eating.

Not sure what lymphs tests show. Test number looks normal.

Yeah and when I do this again I'll fast. They said it wasn't needed but I'm wondering if I got bad advice from the lab? If it was I feel like they owe me a refund.

 

[mmorso]

I think you need to wait at least another 6 wks bro... time on + PCT... no reason to rush any of this... just not worth it IMO

I know it's hard when your sitting on a bunch of gear but you might have to bro...

 

[sespress]

I think you need to wait at least another 6 wks bro... time on + PCT... no reason to rush any of this... just not worth it IMO

I know it's hard when your sitting on a bunch of gear but you might have to bro...

That's fine, I got these bloods done for a reason! Making sure I'm ready etc. I want gonna start until Jan 15th-ish anyhow so I'll add in a bit more time. This is why I ask! Thank you all for the advice. Should I wait the full 6 weeks to test again, or can I test at the end of this month do you think?

Any reason to pop a tiny amount of exemestane, help that e number down a tad? Like 5mg's eod?

 

[habajaba]

I think you need to wait at least another 6 wks bro... time on + PCT... no reason to rush any of this... just not worth it IMO

I know it's hard when your sitting on a bunch of gear but you might have to bro...

Agreed. If you go by the trusted formula, you'd want 12 weeks off after PCT. So you'd want to take 4 more weeks off, then more bloods to confirm.

Your body just hasn't recovered yet from all the hormonal changes.

You could test again in a couple weeks, but it may still be too soon. Everyone is different, but you'll be paying $65 for bloods, so may want to wait and save the money so you only need to do it one more time instead of 2.

I wouldn't take any serms as that will just delay your body getting back to normal. If you want to help the process along, you may want to eliminate anything playing with hormones. Including natty test boosters like diesel test. It's good to give your body a break from all the outside influences and just let it be natural for a bit.

 

[mmorso]

Any reason to pop a tiny amount of exemestane, help that e number down a tad? Like 5mg's eod?

I was wondering this myself... idk if you'd want to allow your body to reach homeostasis or what... maybe take an otc sup like inhibit or something...

 

[sespress]

Agreed. If you go by the trusted formula, you'd want 12 weeks off after PCT. So you'd want to take 4 more weeks off, then more bloods to confirm.

Your body just hasn't recovered yet from all the hormonal changes.

You could test again in a couple weeks, but it may still be too soon. Everyone is different, but you'll be paying $65 for bloods, so may want to wait and save the money so you only need to do it one more time instead of 2.

I wouldn't take any serms as that will just delay your body getting back to normal. If you want to help the process along, you may want to eliminate anything playing with hormones. Including natty test boosters like diesel test. It's good to give your body a break from all the outside influences and just let it be natural for a bit.

Hmm, think maybe the natty boosters are increasing test a bit therefore estrogen as well?

 

[sespress]

I was wondering this myself... idk if you'd want to allow your body to reach homeostasis or what... maybe take an otc sup like inhibit or something...

Ah I think I'll just drop the natty boosters. I'm gonna keep the v2-kt and Invictus however. I'll test again end of January beginning of February and if the **** is still off I'll go from there. I don't think the iron legion supps are going to be effecting this so should be OK, they all say non hormonal add they've made such a diff on fat loss.

This just means I'll be cutting on my own for a while longer, which means lower bf, and therefore less potential issues with Trest or epistane, so I'll look at the wait as a bonus (I am drooling over the pile of PH that I have so that went into the draw to stop taunting me).

 

[sespress]

Again thank you everyone contributing for the assistance!

 

[The_Old_Guy]

Also albuterol has a really short life in the body doesn't it? That's why Clen is so popular. At sub 100mcg doses Clen has only the cramping sides for me, which 5G of taurine completely got rid of. I think some guys run it easily over 150 but that's a lot IMO. How would you recommend running Albuterol dose wise?

I've heard/read a total of 16-24mg in two-three divided doses, so just like you'd run Ephedrine. Same Clen protocol with 2 weeks on/2 off, or use Ketotifen. The upside is nobody who has used Albuterol, has had their heart explode (that I could find - may exist). Couple that with really, how much more fat loss do you expect between Clen and Albuterol? Is the possible risk worth it? I just dumped my Clen in the woods, and grabbed 2 bottles of 'Albert' for an upcoming cut. Don't want to start a debate on Clen dangers - do what you want with your body after researching yourself.

 

[The_Old_Guy]

I wouldn't worry about a 54 for E2 - are you having problems? I bet your joints and lipids are just fine - E2 does good - builds muscle too. You need to chill the F out with the drugs and chems if you are in an Off Cycle. Use Grape Seed Extract, Broccoli Sprout Extract, and grab some Swanson's I-3-C (or eat Broccoli/Cauliflower) if you want - but no Aromasin or Invictus would be my advice. What's your estimated BF% right now?