Why are Evomuse products always out of stock?
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cheftepesh1
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From what I have seen on Facebook they are a small, but growing company. As they grow they will improve. They have a ton of great products and that contributes to high demand. Be patient and they will come back in stock.
booneman77
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There's a couple reasons:
1) and the biggest - they're a very small company. Basically 1 guy that does it all and he has a myriad of his own health issues that don't help him.
2) very special extracts, ingredients, etc that are hard to manufacture and even harder to source.
3) budget. Being such a small company and the fact that Matt prices his products almost at cost for the most part, it can be very hard to procure and produce large batches as the capitol to front just isn't there.
4) they're great products and in high demand. People just buy them asap when they come out.
dsade is a good dude and works his butt off to try to stay afloat but it's a hard market for small companies with specialty products
1) and the biggest - they're a very small company. Basically 1 guy that does it all and he has a myriad of his own health issues that don't help him.
2) very special extracts, ingredients, etc that are hard to manufacture and even harder to source.
3) budget. Being such a small company and the fact that Matt prices his products almost at cost for the most part, it can be very hard to procure and produce large batches as the capitol to front just isn't there.
4) they're great products and in high demand. People just buy them asap when they come out.
dsade is a good dude and works his butt off to try to stay afloat but it's a hard market for small companies with specialty products
determination
Active member
They have great products and he sells them at great prices with minimal mark up. I need to get some more gut health, clear edge and cardiotryx. These are three products that work really well.
HIT4ME
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Pretty much the reasons above. Matt is a RARE individual in this industry and he really cares about people and a quality product. He is a good guy all around.
I often wonder if we could get a very large pre-order on here - since his stuff is difficult to come by but REALLY good, would anyone on here be willing to PAY for a product of his and still be willing to wait 2-3 months to receive it? 2-3 months seems like a long time, I know, but a lot of times I have to wait 2 months for something to be in stock anyway and then it sells out fast and I miss out and wait another 2 months. I would happily just pay in advance and have it come when it comes. Wonder if others would be willing to do this?
I often wonder if we could get a very large pre-order on here - since his stuff is difficult to come by but REALLY good, would anyone on here be willing to PAY for a product of his and still be willing to wait 2-3 months to receive it? 2-3 months seems like a long time, I know, but a lot of times I have to wait 2 months for something to be in stock anyway and then it sells out fast and I miss out and wait another 2 months. I would happily just pay in advance and have it come when it comes. Wonder if others would be willing to do this?
booneman77
Legend
Im sure we could get a pretty good group together, but the kind of money were talking is probably in the 10's of thousands to get all the materials for even one run of one product. That kind of a group would be pretty tough.
hsk
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Some of us more advanced and knowledgeable supplements users should incorporate to form some sort of nonprofit group or collective and work together to create supplements that we would like use. As a group or collective we could pool our resources together to create an economy of scale and source ingredients, formulate supplements, and manufacture in small batches (50,000-100,000 caps is the average minimum for most contract manufacturers). We could also purchase standardized extracts in bulk and do our own testing for optimal dosage efficacy. Depending on the group size, it would be possible to make some very effective properly dosed supplements and this would also allow for us to test new bulk products at effective dosages. Minimal to no mark up would need to be charged to us and if we wanted we could also put out a brand and sell formulas for-profit and use the proceeds to fund the collective to subsidize our own custom formulas and operating costs. Just a thought.
Jiigzz
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Easier said than done im afraid. Trying to settle on a formula for 10+ people who think they know R&D would be tough, plus you need the capital to outlay all of these costs.
Once you add in profit, then comes the issue of dividing pay as people will contribute more than others, yet all would have to front initial costs.
Even with a small R&D group, decisions are hard to reach because it's not as simple as "the dose a study used".
And that doesn't even bring into the equation of testing batches and the money involved there. Or location for the org itself. Including offices managing finacials, growth etc as you would any company.
A lot to consider.
Knowing supplements and knowing business are two vastly different things
booneman77
Legend
Jiigzz
Legend
Definitely. Plus you need to centralise it, have someone in charge - not everyone has the capacity to lead a business, and too many people in charge can easily increase tensions as you fight over company direction lol.
210LBS
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That sounds incredibly challenging. What people can do is post their own formulas as to what they like and we can buy our own stuff and create supplements for ourselves. At least that's what I do. I've been testing different pre workout formulas that I've create for quite a while now. Once I hit that perfect formula I will post it on here. Then it's very easy to do yourself. Just buy the stuff and mix it yourself.
booneman77
Legend
he's talking about extracts and such though... not just the normal stuff you can buy in bulk from any retailer.
210LBS
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Then the market gets even more niche and difficult to attract a larger number of people.
booneman77
Legend
Exactly our point ha. Not to mention all the additional cost associated with things like that
hsk
Active member
What I am suggesting is hypothetically a viable option for advanced trainees and supplements users who have like minded goals and seek high quality advanced formulas using quality raw materials/ingredients that we all vote for and agree on. This would allow us, as a group, the freedom to experiment with new ingredients, new formulas, and or bring back previously effective products/extracts that were discontinued by other companies due to low demand. As a group we could leverage ourselves to take advantage of bulk purchasing and economy of scales. I'm talking about an extremely small group of people to start, possibly 50-100 people max. Maybe set up a private forum or website where members can log in and we can have discussions, vote on potential products, extracts, formulas, post research, user logs, anecdotal feed back, and blood work if applicable. A small member ship fee to cover admin/organization costs, and the overall benefit would be high quality formulas and/or bulk extracts/powders to be distributed among members with little to no markup. This would obviously not be for the average consumer or gym goer.
Jiigzz
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If we assume you could even organise 50 people into putting in money and agreeing on a formula, who would be responsible for receipting and receiving the 50+ bottles and distributing them?
I imagine you'd have a tough time claiming NFP status, and centralising the entire operation as just something "casual". Just seems like a logistical nightmare where equal investment does not equal workoad, amd without payment as incentive, it just doesn't seem viable. Be a full time job sourcing ingredients, batch testing them, bottling, labelling in compliance with FDA regulations, shipping them out, handling invoices, etc. For nothing in return except a bottle or two of product lol
210LBS
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I kind of understand what you are saying. But you are essentially starting up your own supplement company with a bunch of people. And when you consider the costs of R&D, salaries, etc. it becomes costly and has a high failure rate. Personally, I would rather throw my money behind 1 really good chemist rather than 50-100 supplement/exercise aficionados.
I probably shouldn't say this in the supplement section, but effectiveness and results are pretty much smoke and mirrors in this industry. I see far more old ingredients recycled into newer prop blends and shinier bottles at a premium price rather than actually newer effective ingredients coming to market. Maybe that's just me though.
megadeth
Active member
I would be more than willing. Matt earned my trust long ago. He is the Epitome of integrity.
booneman77
Legend
Epitome... I see what you did there haha
sespress
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Yeah, you ever heard of mass drop? They do a drop on a product everyone commits to spend the money on it and when the minimum is met they send the order to the manufacturer and it is bulk so special pricing yadayada. But since evomuse is so cheap perhaps it could be more like preorder/garunteed stock.
Ricky10
Well-known member
Haha! Well thanks for your replies everyone! I habe only tried Sleephoria in the past so I am very much looking forward to trying more. Especially the fat burners (oral and transdermals) when I start getting serious about cardio and possibly start a cut in a few months.