First cycle

mhutch85

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Hey guys,
new to the board, not to the gym. been working out since highschool. took a few months off after the split with my now ex fiancé. now I'm back to the gym. Never ran a cycle before but want to start as I've kind of plateaued.
stats:
31/m
6'5
17% BF
workout 2x/day
eat mostly clean with a couple cheat days usually sat and sun on off days.
kcal is 2400 cal, starting to get back to caloric deficit and shooting for 2000 cals a day right now. lots of protein, complex carbs etc.

first cycle I'm looking at doing Test Cyp and Tren. I know a lot of people say Tren isn't right for beginners but I'm looking at it for the recomp benefits. need some help from you guys as far as dosage and pct. would like a 16 week cycle.
any help you guys could offer would be greatly appreciated!!!
 
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mhutch85 said:
Hey guys,
new to the board, not to the gym. been working out since highschool. took a few months off after the split with my now ex fiancé. now I'm back to the gym. Never ran a cycle before but want to start as I've kind of plateaued.
stats:
6'5
17% BF
workout 2x/day
eat mostly clean with a couple cheat days usually sat and sun on off days.
kcal is 2400 cal, starting to get back to caloric deficit and shooting for 2000 cals a day right now. lots of protein, complex carbs etc.

first cycle I'm looking at doing Test Cyp and Tren. I know a lot of people say Tren isn't right for beginners but I'm looking at it for the recomp benefits. need some help from you guys as far as dosage and what not. would like a 16 week cycle.
any help you guys could offer would be greatly appreciated!!!
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Dude you work out twice a day? For how long? Taking breaks is OK for a few hours you know
 
lmao, yeah I'm a gym whore which is probably why I've plateaued. I do an hour in the morning usually cardio (run with the dog, maybe hit the gym and do bike or rower) and the real workout is about 2 hours in the evening usually after I get off work. So, I get a break for a few hours!!
 
how u r dosing ur test?
I did my first pin today and was thinking to stack, but finally made my mind to go with test only.
my pct..
clomid- 50/50/50/25
nolva- 40/40/20/20
blast hcg @ 1000iu/ wk from 2 weeks before pct.
mjk
 
mhutch85 said:
dumb question but i'm confused on dosing. how many vials and such do I need for a 16 week cycle???
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That depends on the potency/ size of your vials
 
The test cyp I'm looking at is 200mg
Tren ace is 100mg
Want to do HCG but don't know what to look for?

Not sure about the Clomid and Nolva whatever you guys recommend! Sorry to be such a noob just want to make sure I don't phuck myself too bad
 
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First cycle? Ditch the tren. Working out for 2 hours is a bit excessive.
 
Yeah you've got a few issues to settle before starting:
1) you should lower that bf naturally a bit. Higher body fat already causes hormone issues and when you're in cycle these will only be exacerbated further.
2) get your diet more straight. Steroids only magnify what you're already seeing so if you're not seeing the right results (even very slow) you need to change this. On cycle you really shouldn't just have "cheat days" where it's whatever. A meal here and there is fine and if you really start to feel off a big day can help but overall you need to have the majority well planned for max benefit and minimal sides.
3) tren is brutal. There's a reason nobody should do it for their first cycle. Also, I assume you're planning on enan and not ace as ace would have you wanting to die at that length of time.
4) you need to understand pct better. We can recommend whatever but it's gonna be up to you to decide how and why you choose the serm you do.

And FYI, you can't mention or ask for sources for steroids here on AM so can remove any brands/sources you've already Posted.
 
Test only. And yes lower BF first. I don't know your weight but at 6ft5. You are going to need big calories to bulk up.
 
Don't do tren. You have no idea how to combat the sides and running ace alone cyp doesn't make a ton of sense since the tren ace will need to be injected ed or eod and the test cyp will be injected twice a week (traditionally)
 
Thanks for the info. I'll be the first to tell you i'd like to reduce bf a bit more, but have been stuck here for awhile, which is why I was looking at the Tren to help give it that kick in the ass. Also, I should rephrase the "first cycle" I did 4 cycles when I was in college about 10 years ago, so this is the first time back.
I do agree though, I don't understand PCT all that well, so that's probably the biggest gap in my knowledge base. Any help you'd be willing to throw my way would be greatly appreciated!!
 
I appreciate that. This will be my first cycle with Tren. my understanding is Tren ace is better than Tren eth. I want to run Test Cyp 200/mg 2x a week with Tren. Not sure on dosing with the Tren but it will be eod. should I run HCG? got some advice above for clomid and nolva? what are the benefits of these two PCT and how long should they be run?
 
mhutch85 said:
Hey guys,
new to the board, not to the gym. been working out since highschool. took a few months off after the split with my now ex fiancé. now I'm back to the gym. Never ran a cycle before but want to start as I've kind of plateaued.
stats:
31/m
6'5
17% BF
workout 2x/day
eat mostly clean with a couple cheat days usually sat and sun on off days.
kcal is 2400 cal, starting to get back to caloric deficit and shooting for 2000 cals a day right now. lots of protein, complex carbs etc.

first cycle I'm looking at doing Test Cyp and Tren. I know a lot of people say Tren isn't right for beginners but I'm looking at it for the recomp benefits. need some help from you guys as far as dosage and pct. would like a 16 week cycle.
any help you guys could offer would be greatly appreciated!!!
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How much do you weigh? Im 5'9 and recently cut from 208- 194 on 3000 calories a day and minimal cardio. Something tells me your not eating enough, especially if your working out 2x a day. Remember, if you eat too little not only do you not build muscle but your body will hold on to fat and burn muscle for energy.
 
mhutch85 said:
I appreciate that. This will be my first cycle with Tren. my understanding is Tren ace is better than Tren eth. I want to run Test Cyp 200/mg 2x a week with Tren. Not sure on dosing with the Tren but it will be eod. should I run HCG? got some advice above for clomid and nolva? what are the benefits of these two PCT and how long should they be run?
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tren ace is not necessarily "better" than enan. just different due to the ester. ace will have to be run much shorter, but enan can be run longer. Really, they're essentially the same, just with different types of impact and timeframes for gains and sides.

Easier to dose: enan due to long ester/half life

Easier to control: ace due to half life and ability to raise/lower dose and see effects almost immediately

Sides: toss up - both will/can have similar sides, but enan can take longer to come or go, ace can hit you instantly and really hurt until you control, but also can be controlled faster with reduction of doses or altogether stoppage.

As everyone is still saying tho - tren is a poor choice. even with a few "college cycles" under your belt. If you dont even know how to recover from a cycle, understand a serm, or understand how/why to choose a certain ester (not even mentioning your now apparently lack of diet/weight loss prowess), you're not ready for tren and the potentially drastic issues it can cause (and the timeframe (hours even) that they can come about in).

Seriously, for your own good, dont run tren until you understand the other facets of your cycle better and preferably have personal experience with these other portions. Once you know how your body acts and reacts to the other portions (test, serm, ai's, hcg, etc etc) THEN you can add tren and only have to worry about controlling what could happen with that. If you intriduce all the variables at once, you'll never know whats working well and whats killing you.
 
booneman77 said:
tren ace is not necessarily "better" than enan. just different due to the ester. ace will have to be run much shorter, but enan can be run longer. Really, they're essentially the same, just with different types of impact and timeframes for gains and sides.

Easier to dose: enan due to long ester/half life

Easier to control: ace due to half life and ability to raise/lower dose and see effects almost immediately

Sides: toss up - both will/can have similar sides, but enan can take longer to come or go, ace can hit you instantly and really hurt until you control, but also can be controlled faster with reduction of doses or altogether stoppage.

As everyone is still saying tho - tren is a poor choice. even with a few "college cycles" under your belt. If you dont even know how to recover from a cycle, understand a serm, or understand how/why to choose a certain ester (not even mentioning your now apparently lack of diet/weight loss prowess), you're not ready for tren and the potentially drastic issues it can cause (and the timeframe (hours even) that they can come about in).

Seriously, for your own good, dont run tren until you understand the other facets of your cycle better and preferably have personal experience with these other portions. Once you know how your body acts and reacts to the other portions (test, serm, ai's, hcg, etc etc) THEN you can add tren and only have to worry about controlling what could happen with that. If you intriduce all the variables at once, you'll never know whats working well and whats killing you.
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Fair enough. Thank you for the advice. just out of curiosity what would you recommend for a new cycle? both cycle and pct? also, so I can better understand things, what should I be looking into to better understand PCT?
 
mhutch85 said:
Fair enough. Thank you for the advice. just out of curiosity what would you recommend for a new cycle? both cycle and pct? also, so I can better understand things, what should I be looking into to better understand PCT?
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Keep it simple. If you want to run test/tren at some point, start with just test. get a feel for it. How you react to it, how different doses, injection times, how much of an ai you need, etc all impact you personally (since everyone is a bit different). 500mg/wk of test e for 12-16 weeks is a great way to start. You will see great benefits, its not terrible for sides, and its got more to read about than just about anything else so you can leanr your body and compare to other logs and research.

for pct, you just have to read up on the different serms, how they each work (as theyre all slightly different in their MOA and possible sides/interactions). Once you have an idea of which (or even both) you would like, its trial and error. We can give you recommendations based on our experience and thoughts, but as with anyhting hormonal, its different for each person. The biggest things you want to read up on: dosage (amounts, times, lengths), sides and how to counteract/negate, and benefits vs interactions (for instance, some serms are better or worse after certain steroids due to how they impact certain hormones)
 
booneman77 said:
Keep it simple. If you want to run test/tren at some point, start with just test. get a feel for it. How you react to it, how different doses, injection times, how much of an ai you need, etc all impact you personally (since everyone is a bit different). 500mg/wk of test e for 12-16 weeks is a great way to start. You will see great benefits, its not terrible for sides, and its got more to read about than just about anything else so you can leanr your body and compare to other logs and research.

for pct, you just have to read up on the different serms, how they each work (as theyre all slightly different in their MOA and possible sides/interactions). Once you have an idea of which (or even both) you would like, its trial and error. We can give you recommendations based on our experience and thoughts, but as with anyhting hormonal, its different for each person. The biggest things you want to read up on: dosage (amounts, times, lengths), sides and how to counteract/negate, and benefits vs interactions (for instance, some serms are better or worse after certain steroids due to how they impact certain hormones)
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This is probably a dumb question but if I just run a 16 week cycle of Test Cyp, is there a standard "go to" pct that I can read up on, or is it truly as you say, not a one size fits all solution?
 
I think a good cycle woulf be
Test C 400mg ew for 12-16 weeks
wait 2 weeks after last pin.
Nolvadex 40mg ed for 2 week then 20mg for 2 weeks. or clomid or with clomid.
If you want to add to the cutting effect I'd look at maybe an eca stack or so.
 
mhutch85 said:
This is probably a dumb question but if I just run a 16 week cycle of Test Cyp, is there a standard "go to" pct that I can read up on, or is it truly as you say, not a one size fits all solution?
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Seems treat everyone a little different. Especially clomid in terms of sides vs dosage. Imo, pick one and go with it.
 
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