EvoMuse Fat Loss Sponsored Log - Kaprice

Kaprice said:
Last meal is previous day's dinner (plus after dinner snacking).

Workout is at 1:00 and prior to that, all I have is protein shake -- usually Combat Protein -- in milk.

I just received JPX8 standard and Nos Ether and will start taking those pre workout and NE after. I'll report my experience and results with that.

My new stack is now:

Brite
Epitome
BurnX
ECA
Invictus
11K Test Spray
JPX8/Nos Ether
1 Andro
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Using NOS Ether too, gave me great pumps -but I guess my body adapted to it, will stop taking it for awhile. Awesome product, good choice!
 
Gramps, I wish we could pick and choose which things our body adapts to and which it doesn't! :D
 
Kaprice said:
Is it really that important to keep the pump going throughout the entire workout? I experience DOMs for 2 to 3 days after each workout and I'm making gains each workout, so would taking carbs intra make a significant difference?
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If you are improving every workout, then you're doing more right than most people. I wouldn't worry about much if this is the situation. Most people go to the gym and don't progress at all.

The pump may have an effect on cell metabolism/muscle growth, but if you're getting stronger that will be a bigger determining factor. DOMS doesn't really indicate much unfortunately.

And since you are dieting, your glycogen stores are probably low to begin with, which is why you don't hold the pump throughout the workout. You can try some carbs pre- or intra - but they bring calories and impacting your diet to chase the pump seems like a misguided effort IMO.

I have A LOT of workouts where I don't even get a pump really. I use pre-workouts when I get them for free with other supplements. I've only ever purchased 1 can of PES High Volume and it was good...but I think the entire pre-workout and pump thing is way over done.
 
Body Measurements

My flexed chest is doing great.

Gut and butt area, too.

I wish I could do pictures to do it justice, but I really feel my arms are getting some nice definition that isn't showing up in the measurements.

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Screw the scale! :D
 
Kaprice said:
Body Measurements

My flexed chest is doing great.

Gut and butt area, too.

I wish I could do pictures to do it justice, but I really feel my arms are getting some nice definition that isn't showing up in the measurements.

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Screw the scale! :D
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Awesome job man !
 
Kaprice said:
Body Measurements

My flexed chest is doing great.

Gut and butt area, too.

I wish I could do pictures to do it justice, but I really feel my arms are getting some nice definition that isn't showing up in the measurements.

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Screw the scale! :D
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Great work brother. 3" off or more on all the measurements I would say indicate fat loss - relaxed belly button, belt, butt, etc.
 
Back day.

I had 2 sc Combat Protein about 2 hours prior.
I had my first (partial) doses of JPX8 and Nos Ether for Pre Workout -- about 45 mins prior.

People keep talking about "focus" during the workout. I don't really know what that means. I just go and follow my plan. How do you not have focus?

Last time I did back, I was sick to my stomach by the end. This time, I had moments where my stomach was unsettled, but I think it was more due to having the pre-workout still in my gut -- plus I sipped on some Nos Ether during the workout, as recommended. But, having stuff in my stomach -- even just that little bit -- didn't seem to go well with hard lifting.

I allowed myself full recovery after every set. I felt strong DURING every lift, but highly winded and beat after each set. Recovery was 3 to 5 minutes each.

But, I not only increased weight on each group, but did well with reps (IOW, always at least more than 8) -- again, the plan is to do one weight until you get to 12 reps, then increase the weight and go back to 8 and work back up to 12. In each case, I did better than 8 and in a couple went all the way back to 12 with the new weight.

Other than the upset stomach from it having stuff in it, my recovery has been remarkable. It's only been 20 minutes and I don't feel like I worked out at all. I attribute that to the JPX8 and Nos Ether.

Here's the workout: (Previous workout numbers are in parenthesis.)

Barbell Deadlift - stiff leg -- I used the drop weight station for the first time. I was surprised that what I thought were extra heavy weights were actually just bigger and less dense so the rubber pad on the floor didn't get damaged when the bar is dropped after deads or jerks.
1. 155lbs 12x (145 x 12)
2. 155lbs 12x (145 x 11)
3. 155lbs 12x (145 x 10)

Pulley Machine Row (seated)
-- 102.5 is the pulley machine's max.
dsade suggested adding exercise bands to it. I'll explore that. Looks complicated.
1. 102.5lbs 14x (97 x 12)
2. 102.5lbs 12x (102.5 x 12)
3. 102.5lbs 11x (102.5 x 11)

One Arm Bench Bent Over Row
1. 55lbs 10x (50 x 12)
2. 55lbs 10x (50 x 12)
 
On the POSITIVE side, I worked out on Thanksgiving Day -- Chest.

On the NEGATIVE side, for the first time in MONTHS, I actually went SOUTH on my weights and/or reps. I've no idea why that happened. It really sucked.

The only thing I've done differently is I'm now taking JPX8 and Nos Ether pre-workout, but that's supposed to IMPROVE my workout, not make me weaker. So that was weird. Will keep monitoring future workouts to see what happens. I WILL SAY, though, that my post workout RECOVERY has been much smoother and more comfortable than before JPX8 and Nos Ether.

I'm still feeling some DOMs from Thursday.

Here's the workout. Previous workout weight x reps is in parenths.

Barbell Flat Bench Press
1. 165lbs 10x (165 x 10)
2. 165lbs 6x (165 x 9) -- I actually had to double check to make sure I didn't have more weight on the bar!

Bar Dips, Bent Over
1. 0lbs 8x (8x)
2. 0lbs 6x (6x) -- could barely get the 6th one up

Dumbbell Flat Bench Flys
1. 40lbs 10x (40x9)
2. 40lbs 7x (40x7)

Decline Dumbell Press
1. 45lbs 11x (45x12)
2. 45lbs 9x (45x9)

Barbell Bench Press (incline)
-- Last time, the barbell station was taken so I did dumbell)
1. 105lbs 9x (55x6)
2. 95lbs 8x (50x6)
 
Saturday is normally an OFF day, but when my schedule allows, I intend to do a non-conventional workout every other Saturday -- that is, on the weeks where I'm working out Tues/Thur.

Today I did

Sled push with 90 lbs on the sled. 3 small laps on the gym's astro turf.

Rope pull vertical (down)
Rope pull horizontal (Right side dominant and then left side dominant)

Tractor Tire Flip

Farmers Walk with 60 lb dumbbells

Medicine Ball toss against trampoline -- from 25 from chest and then 20 from overhead

Shoulder stretches

Hydrabed (ahhhh)
 
I didn't OVEREAT through Thanksgiving, but I wasn't CAREFUL, either.

So, I think I'll wait a week and do another set of pictures. I FEEL like I'm improving in arms, chest, gut.

I'll probably do a set compared to start and then compared to my last pics, which were about a month ago.

I think I'll also do some stand alone pics of body parts (get your mind out of the gutter, hairygrandpa !) to try to show better definition.

The scale has been dancing within a pound up and down of 240 for several weeks.
 
I've just started a massive stack, so I'm very curious to see how my body responds.

In alphabetical order:

1 Andro
11K Test Spray
7 KT
Accuity (Melalueca)
Anabolic Unwind
Brite
Burn Xtreme
Epitome
Nos Ether
Invictus
JPX8
Longevity Pack (Melalueca)
Virtus

Also, Combat Protein and Gold Standard Protein

Also, I just received Clear Edge from EvoMuse -- but that's more for work productivity than body recomp. But, it should help with workout focus, too.
 
Looking forward to seeing how this plays out . Sometimes when I switch pre workouts my lifts drop . Also low carb days I feel like switching to cross fit .
 
I don't really do carbs pre-workout -- I work out at 1:00, every other day, and prior to that, I only have protein shake and now jpx8/ether.

If carbs will help, I'm open to it. But, I tend to stay away from them during the day.
 
That's where your carbs should be. They should be centered around your lifting and avoided at night
 
Kaprice said:
I've just started a massive stack, so I'm very curious to see how my body responds.

In alphabetical order:

1 Andro
11K Test Spray
7 KT
Accuity (Melalueca)
Anabolic Unwind
Brite
Burn Xtreme
Epitome
Nos Ether
Invictus
JPX8
Longevity Pack (Melalueca)
Virtus

Also, Combat Protein and Gold Standard Protein

Also, I just received Clear Edge from EvoMuse -- but that's more for work productivity than body recomp. But, it should help with workout focus, too.
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Are you running that all at once? What do you have planned for PCT?

Personally I would save the Invictus, virtual and 7-KT for PCT. 11-KT in sufficient doses will hit most of those pathways pretty hard and the benefits of additional Cort suppression may be limited or even detrimental.
 
HIT4ME said:
Are you running that all at once? What do you have planned for PCT?

Personally I would save the Invictus, virtual and 7-KT for PCT. 11-KT in sufficient doses will hit most of those pathways pretty hard and the benefits of additional Cort suppression may be limited or even detrimental.
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Yeah, I'm currently taking it all. I've placed a lot of trust in bighulksmash, who has recommended this stack. I'm also trusting he'll have a plan for PCT.
 
HIT4ME said:
Are you running that all at once? What do you have planned for PCT?

Personally I would save the Invictus, virtual and 7-KT for PCT. 11-KT in sufficient doses will hit most of those pathways pretty hard and the benefits of additional Cort suppression may be limited or even detrimental.
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What I take daily

Supplement list

Diesel Test hardcore
Raw test
Jp8x
Nos ether
Sunami

Virtus
1ad
4ad

Test prop
Tren ace
Dbol
Animal pak mv
Pro complex protein powder
Dieselade bcaa
Joint support

Octodrene hardcore
Fish oil
Ar1macare pro
Cq10
NAC Kaprice HIT4ME
 
HIT4ME said:
Clomid?
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Since blood work is not an option, I would suggest low dose Clomid for 3 weeks at 25mgs . I dont expect shutdown to occur , however we must hope for the best but expect the worst. So PCT protocol will be set according to the changes in physiological symptoms .
 
bighulksmash said:
Since blood work is not an option, I would suggest low dose Clomid for 3 weeks at 25mgs . I dont expect shutdown to occur , however we must hope for the best but expect the worst. So PCT protocol will be set according to the changes in physiological symptoms .
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I agree with that. Blood work is nice, but a SERM is just good protocol.

I still think the Invictus, virtual and 7-KT should be used after the cycle as part of the PCT...the combo of all three could really crush cortisol and inhibited T3 potentially. I know a lot of people stack 7-KT and 11-KT but I've always felt dosing the 7 in PCT can help continue fat loss and create a more mild return to baseline for Cort. B-aet is great for so many things.

When I run 11 I like to use Nolva or clomid, Super PCT, 7-Keto and Exotherm to help continue fat loss, keep estrogen rebound low and ensure things get back to normal...but clomid or nolva is the important part
 
Due to a weird scheduling thing at my son's school, I need to do Tue/Thu again this week. It was supposed to be M/W/F.

But it's been a month and a half since I've done shoulders -- and that's a Monday routine. So, I did that today.

Sadly, it turns out my left shoulder still isn't ready for full shoulder exercises -- at least not overhead.

I began by doing about 10 mins of shoulder stretching and rehab sets.

Barbell Shoulder Press (standing)
-- I tried 65 but my left shoulder screamed at me.
1. 40lbs 12x
2. 40lbs 1x -- had to stop. Even 40 was too much for my left shoulder.
3. 20lbs 20x -- Embarrasing. But no pain. And 20x was still about all I could handle.

Dumbbell Shoulder Press (standing)
-- I found I could do these as long as my palms were facing in towards my head.
1. 20lbs 12x
2. 20lbs 12x

Dumbbell Lateral Raise (standing)
1. 12.5lbs 12x
2. 15lbs 12x

DB Alt Front Raise (standing)
1. 20lbs 10x

Dumbbell Shrugs (standing)
-- I think I'm very close to the max my fingers can hold up. I may need to use lifting straps/hooks to go up to 65 and higher.
-- I should probably add some exercises to strengthen my grip, somewhere.
1. 55lbs 12x
2. 60lbs 10x
3. 60lbs 12x
4. 60lbs 12x


My workout routine has abs tacked on to my Chest day. But I'm moving it to Shoulder day because the shoulder sets are completed sooner than the chest ones. Plus I don't seem to be quite as zonked after the shoulders, whereas I'm about dead after all the chest sets.

So, I also did

Leg raises x 20 x 2
machine crunches x 15 x 2
Pully pulldown crunches 57.5 x 12 | 67.5 x 12
 
Shoulder injuries can really suck. What did you do to it?
 
HIT4ME said:
Shoulder injuries can really suck. What did you do to it?
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Nothing that I'm aware of. But when I do certain exercises, my shoulder clicks and screams. Early on, it happened during bench press, but I started lifting with my elbows closer in and that went away. But, I still have trouble with overhead lifts. And, I seem to have a diminished range of motion -- at least compared to when I was 25 years younger.
 
Have you tried pressing with dumbbells? How about grabbing the bar with a slightly narrower grip?
 
HIT4ME said:
Have you tried pressing with dumbbells? How about grabbing the bar with a slightly narrower grip?
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Yeah, if you look again at my workout list, my second group is with dumbbells -- I found if I lift with palms in there's no pain.

I don't think I tried a narrower grip with the barbell. That's worth trying.
 
Sorry, missed that. Pressing, palms forward hurts then, but not when they are neutral. Any other motions hurt? Lateral motions, front raise?

What about curling exercises for the biceps? Any pain there?
 
HIT4ME said:
Sorry, missed that. Pressing, palms forward hurts then, but not when they are neutral. Any other motions hurt? Lateral motions, front raise?

What about curling exercises for the biceps? Any pain there?
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It's been a while since I've experienced any shoulder pain doing anything but what I've described today.

Today I did laterals and front raises with no pain, but I kept them fairly low weight, so I haven't explored the limits there, yet.

I do a warmup/stretch where I stand up and hold a ball (about the size of a basketball) to the wall, arm straight. Then I move the ball around in various motions. I feel twinges every so often doing that. But that routine is designed to loosen and stretch the shoulder joints to rehab it. When I feel the twinge, I do a bit more of that motion but with less leaning into it to try to take care of it.
 
Chest day.

Went backwards, again on bench press. Stayed even on the Bar Dips, but felt pretty good about the rest. Really not sure why I'm going backwards on the bench. The only change is my new stack, and that is SUPPOSED to increase my strength, not diminish it.

bighulksmash, what do you think?

I started to feel the beginning of a twinge on the left side of my back on the decline and incline bench, so I backed off a bit to avoid injury.

Previous Weight x Reps are in parenths.

Barbell Flat Bench Press
1. 165lbs 9x (165 x 10)
2. 165lbs 6x (165 x 6)
3. 145lbs 8x -- I added this because I didn't want to end on the pitiful set 2.

Bar Dips, Bent Over
1. 0lbs 8x (0 x 8)
2. 0lbs 6x (0 x 6)

Dumbbell Flat Bench Flys
1. 40lbs 12x (40 x 10)
2. 40lbs 9x (40 x 7)

Decline Dumbell Press
1. 45lbs 14x (45 x 11)
2. 45lbs 7x (45 x 9)

Barbell Bench Press (incline)
1. 105lbs 10x (105 x 9)
2. 105lbs 7x (95 x 8)


I'm doing better about night snacking -- IOW, not doing it as much, and mostly avoiding carbs when I do.

During the day, my only intake is protein shakes, JPX8, Nos Ether. I sometimes add a half banana or whole orange and some frozen strawberries to my shakes.

I have what I think are reasonable portions of dinner, but since these are prepared for me, the "cleanness" of the meal varies.

My weight is still hovering around 240 - up or down a pound.
Post workout weight, today, was 238.5.

But, I really do feel like I'm leaning up and that my muscles are getting harder. Not sure if they're getting bigger, though.

I WILL do measurements and pictures this weekend.
 
I can't give you advice on that without blood work . My only idea is that your testosterone level could be a little bit lower you may need more frequent lifting with lighter-weight higher reps. When I hit a plateau for example when I was benching 305 for 5 and I couldn't get past that I went down 275 for 20 reps . Doesn't mean this is going to work for everybody but it helped make it by 305 for more than 5 reps the following schedule lifting...
 
Another thing that I forgot to add if you have access to a spotter somebody to help you get a few negative reps in it would really make a difference in your week-to-week progress.
 
Spotter is a good idea. I lift alone but I could probably talk someone into giving me a quick spot. I hate doing that, but you may be right.

I may also do my next bench on the machine and do a reverse pyramid.
 
Kaprice said:
Spotter is a good idea. I lift alone but I could probably talk someone into giving me a quick spot. I hate doing that, but you may be right.

I may also do my next bench on the machine and do a reverse pyramid.
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I find someone yelling at me helps me really go hard . Also focus on strengthening your weaker muscle groups . Possibly add in some compound lifting .
 
Yeah, I've never, ever been motivated by getting yelled at. My reaction is usually "screw you" and just walk away. With lifting, I trust my own intuition about what I can handle more than some other guy blindly telling me to push harder.
 
Have you had 3-4 workouts in a row with no progress? Because what you posted seems like it may have been essentially a "no change" workout, but that can happen. I mean, in reality in your bench you did 1 less rep on your first set and the same on the second and most of the other workout was the same....that happens. 3 workouts in a row though makes a trend.

As hulk said, dropping weight and focusing on higher reps can help....so can increasing weight and going lower reps.

The issue to some degree is...are you not stimulating growth? Or are you stimulating growth and not allowing enough time for recovery and growth to take place before going back?

In other words, are you doing too little, or are you doing too much? You may need to get some extra rest and allow for over compensation to actually take place. Higher reps can actually aid in this, IMO, because they have less CNS impact since you are using lighter weights with lower neurological recruitment.
 
I'm pretty sure I'm getting enough recovery time. It's normally 14 days before I the same muscle group. I took a 5 day program and put a rest day between each one, so I do M W F T Th. Each day is a different muscle group.

BUT, depending on what my son's school schedule does, sometimes I end up with two weeks the same. In this case, I had T Th twice in a row, except I did shoulders on Tuesday because it's been over a month since I hit that.

I'm going to try the reverse pyramid next chest day to get more reps, lower weight. I'll do it on the machine.

So, I'll try close to my 1 rep max, then drop a weight and do 2, then drop and do 3, then lower and 4, etc until I can barely lift my arms. We'll see what that does.

Thanks for the suggestions.
 
Oh, and it's only the Chest muscle group that has stalled -- and this is only the 2nd workout where there hasn't been an improvement. And, SOME of my chest exercises DID improve.

So, I think it's early to sound alarms.
 
Kaprice said:
Oh, and it's only the Chest muscle group that has stalled -- and this is only the 2nd workout where there hasn't been an improvement. And, SOME of my chest exercises DID improve.

So, I think it's early to sound alarms.
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Next workout, make yourself do it ! Believe to achieve my friend !
 
bighulksmash said:
Next workout, make yourself do it ! Believe to achieve my friend !
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It IS hard to push that last rep out with heavy weights and no spotter. I don't want to end up on YouTube as the guy with a barbell on my chest yelling "get it off me! get it off me!!" :)

Also, I'm very cautious about injuries. Later in the workout, I felt my arms and chest could pump out another rep but I felt a slight twinge in my back and chose to stop.

I've pushed past stuff like that in the past and it kept me from working out for weeks. Not worth it, IMO.
 
Kaprice said:
It IS hard to push that last rep out with heavy weights and no spotter. I don't want to end up on YouTube as the guy with a barbell on my chest yelling "get it off me! get it off me!!" :)

Also, I'm very cautious about injuries. Later in the workout, I felt my arms and chest could pump out another rep but I felt a slight twinge in my back and chose to stop.

I've pushed past stuff like that in the past and it kept me from working out for weeks. Not worth it, IMO.
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I keep thinking your the guy in the avi .
 
bighulksmash said:
I keep thinking your the guy in the avi .
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That WOULD be nice.

Just remember, I'm 55, haven't worked out consistently for 20 years (once every year or so, I seem to go for about 6 weeks and then stop). And, on multiple occasions over the past decade, I've hurt myself sprinting or lifting weights.

Scale says I'm at about 35% BF, now. When I took a DEXA about 5 months ago, it showed somewhere between 40 and 45% BF. I didn't correlate it with the scale, but I'm sure it's gone a decent amount.
 
(double post, somehow)
 
I've been thinking a bit more about my two weeks in a row where I went backwards on the bench press. And there WAS another factor that MIGHT have played into it.

On both of those weeks, I did a Saturday workout with a weighted sled, rope pull, and medicine ball toss against the trampoline (among a few other things). The rope and the ball toss might have tired the arms and chest muscles a bit without time to fully recover. Maybe.
 
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