Unsponsored and unbiased FD 2.0 Log

Hi. Didn't really wanna lift today but did anyway. Lol

Squats
210 x 3, 3, 3, 10

Hammer Strength Incline
125 each side x 6, 115 each side x 8, 105 each side x 6, 80 each side x 10

DB Laterals/DB skullcrusher superset
12.5 x 12, 15 x 12, 17.5 x 12

Pec fly 3 x 12

Tricep Pushdown 3 x 8
 
hiimnotcool said:
Hi. Didn't really wanna lift today but did anyway. Lol

Squats
210 x 3, 3, 3, 10

Hammer Strength Incline
125 each side x 6, 115 each side x 8, 105 each side x 6, 80 each side x 10

DB Laterals/DB skullcrusher superset
12.5 x 12, 15 x 12, 17.5 x 12

Pec fly 3 x 12

Tricep Pushdown 3 x 8
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That's it? Lol.
 
FD 2.0 coming to an end, I didnt count but looks like I have about 2 or 3 days left.

Bench Press
185 x 3
185 x 3
185 x 3
All slow and controlled. No struggle.

DB Incline
65 x 6
70 x 6
75 x 6
80 x 5
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Wide Grip Paused Bench
155 x 6
155 x 6
155 x 6
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After that did a 3 sets of db skullcrushers, 2 x 12 cable laterals, 2 x 20 Face pulls, 3 x 8 v bar pushdowns, 3 x 8 curved bar cable curl, 4 sets single arm Pushdown and 3 sets of single arm cable curls
 
Quick workout today. Once again I was just not feeling it. One day left of the FD 2.0

Starting body weigh 164
This morning I was 175...so 11 pounds gained in 2 months. I'll do the body fat test thing and measurements tomorrow. I did it yesterday when I was 178 and it said 11.1%...when I started I was 164 and it varied between 8-9%. So I probably gained 11-15 pounds and gained 2% body fat realistically. Not too bad for a natty product. Definitely gained strength too. My girlfriend did say the other day that I was looking bigger and she asked me if I was "Taking anything". It was a good 2 month jumpstart for the upcoming H-drol/Sup3r DHEA cycle that's in the mail. If I can add another 12-15 pounds and stay the same body fat while on that then I should be in good position for a cut starting in Mid february or early March.


Deadlifts
135 x 3
225 x 3
275 x 1
330 x 3
330 x 3
330 x 3

Deficit Sumo Deadlifts
275 x 6
275 x 6
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Rack Chin
8
8

Rack Inverted Row
8
8

Gonna go to the gym in my complex tonight and do some pulldowns, cable rows, band face pulls, and curls
 
hiimnotcool said:
Starting body weigh 164
This morning I was 175...so 11 pounds gained in 2 months. I'll do the body fat test thing and measurements tomorrow. I did it yesterday when I was 178 and it said 11.1%...when I started I was 164 and it varied between 8-9%. So I probably gained 11-15 pounds and gained 2% body fat realistically.
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Those single digit BF%'s add up. I plugged in all the weights and BF%'s that you have listed in this thread, and used the highest 178lbs number... 175lbs would make it even less "gain":

Start: 151 LBM 13 BF

156 LBM 17 BF

End: 158 LBM 20 BF

So at most, it was 7lbs. You then have to take into account natural weight fluctuation due to water (either retention or 3-4g of water per 1g of glycogen): In a 3 week period of eating exactly the same things in the same amounts at maintenance/TDEE, and training exactly the same - my weight fluctuated within a 6lb range taking nothing. Finally, there's the BIA, but nothing can be done about that.
 
175 10.0% today. Waist 30.5 so up from 29.5 at the start. Didn't measure anything else this morning so I'll do the rest tomorrow morning before my final dose of it.

Anyways, on to today's workout.

OHP
45 x 3
65 x 5
95 x 3
115 x 1

125 x 3
125 x 3
125 x 3
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Wide Grip OHP from pins at nose level
95 x 6
95 x 6
95 x 6
95 x 6
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DB Shoulder Press
55 x 8
55 x 8
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won't bore you with the rest. just a lot of lateral raises, biceps and triceps work. didn't pay attention to reps or weight for the most part
 
The_Old_Guy said:
Those single digit BF%'s add up. I plugged in all the weights and BF%'s that you have listed in this thread, and used the highest 178lbs number... 175lbs would make it even less "gain":

Start: 151 LBM 13 BF

156 LBM 17 BF

End: 158 LBM 20 BF

So at most, it was 7lbs. You then have to take into account natural weight fluctuation due to water (either retention or 3-4g of water per 1g of glycogen): In a 3 week period of eating exactly the same things in the same amounts at maintenance/TDEE, and training exactly the same - my weight fluctuated within a 6lb range taking nothing. Finally, there's the BIA, but nothing can be done about that.
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lol, I honestly don't care too much. I just started the log and stuck with it recording my experiences. I didn't have much invested in the results.

I just typed in the results using the Military Body Fat Calculator using measurements

beginning
6'0
164
Waist @ navel=29.5
Neck 15.5"
=6%

Today
6'0
175
Waist @ navel 30.5
Neck=16"
=6%

According to the measurements basically saying 164 lean mass, 11 pounds fat mass now and 154 pounds lean mass and 10 pounds of fat when I started. Hell, if I even type in waist at 31 inches just to round up for fun it still says now I'm 8% with 14 pounds of fat and 161 pounds of lean mass.

But once again, body measurements aren't precise either. Oh well. I got stronger and now I'm going to be on something that will definitely give results lol so it's alllllllll good.
 
hiimnotcool said:
lol, I honestly don't care too much. I just started the log and stuck with it recording my experiences. I didn't have much invested in the results.

I just typed in the results using the Military Body Fat Calculator using measurements

beginning
6'0
164
Waist @ navel=29.5
Neck 15.5"
=6%

Today
6'0
175
Waist @ navel 30.5
Neck=16"
=6%

According to the measurements basically saying 164 lean mass, 11 pounds fat mass now and 154 pounds lean mass and 10 pounds of fat when I started. Hell, if I even type in waist at 31 inches just to round up for fun it still says now I'm 8% with 14 pounds of fat and 161 pounds of lean mass.

But once again, body measurements aren't precise either. Oh well. I got stronger and now I'm going to be on something that will definitely give results lol so it's alllllllll good.
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Dam impressive for all natty! This is probably the best natty product that I have taken.
I dropped 2% bf and gained 2 pounds in 8 weeks. diet was only semi clean. the mirror was were I was the most impressed and guys at the gym wanting to know what i was taking.
I have probably sold 40 bottles to the guys in the gym (just from word of mouth). almost everyone I know has purchased 2 bottles and they are loving it. most are done. Its kind of spread like wild fire at my gym.
 
Did you take any other measurements like arms, legs, chest etc... ? Anyway pretty good results to me. Even 7lbs is great for a natural gain from a non beginner. The most telling number to me is the 1" on the waist but 11lb gain. I personally could not put on 11lbs (and hold it) in ~2 months without gaining much more than that on my waist naturally. Of course a significant portion of that is glycogen and water but that will vary individually as well. I know The Old Guy fluctuates easily but if I ate the same thing every day my weigh ins would trend very predictably. Unless I was very depleted and went to a buffet I rarely jump over 5lbs and hold it for days let alone weeks. Thanks for logging and your thoughts.
 
175 at 10% brings it down to:

157.5 LBM 17.5 BF

for a gain of 6.5lbs of LBM and 4.5lbs of Fat (we are obviously taking liberties with the measurement methods without Hydro/DXA available). Since anyone who eats in a surplus will add weight anyway, both muscle and fat, not all of that is the supplement either. Same goes for strength - does anyone here NOT get stronger in 2 months on a properly designed program just eating food? And didn't the ECK Polyphenols cause the Koreans to lose fat in a surplus (albeit only an estimated 79 and 106kcal surplus')?

Not trying to bust your balls, just putting some analytics to the numbers reported.
 
The_Old_Guy said:
175 at 10% brings it down to:

157.5 LBM 17.5 BF

for a gain of 6.5lbs of LBM and 4.5lbs of Fat (we are obviously taking liberties with the measurement methods without Hydro/DXA available). Since anyone who eats in a surplus will add weight anyway, both muscle and fat, not all of that is the supplement either. Same goes for strength - does anyone here NOT get stronger in 2 months on a properly designed program just eating food? And didn't the ECK Polyphenols cause the Koreans to lose fat in a surplus (albeit only an estimated 79 and 106kcal surplus')?

Not trying to bust your balls, just putting some analytics to the numbers reported.
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6.5lbs of LBM would still be impressive for a trained natural. But I agree the numbers could totally be off with the methods used and many other factors. Strength/weight will definitely go up if a proper diet/training program is followed. I guess it's up to hiimnotcool to decide if FD2 had any added effect. I see your pov, it's common to see people claim crazy results on supplements alone. I only went through a bottle of FD2 during a deficit but it definitely had an effect on my strength. And the prolonged pumps and extra boners were apparent... But no increased fat loss and simultaneous mass gain like others claimed. I suppose for me it was more along the lines of creatine + GDA + pump product?
 
Rand0m said:
6.5lbs of LBM would still be impressive for a trained natural.
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Maybe the operative "LBM" might be - maybe not. Remember the old 3500kcal = 1lb "rule"? Well, there are way better mathematical models in use in the research community now. See:

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Just plug in your numbers and see what FOOD BY ITSELF CAN DO - I'm pretty sure weightlifting wasn't taken into account for it either, so I'd expect even better results when hitting the iron :D

Here's what I could do JUST BY EATING :D
 

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The_Old_Guy said:
175 at 10% brings it down to:

157.5 LBM 17.5 BF

for a gain of 6.5lbs of LBM and 4.5lbs of Fat (we are obviously taking liberties with the measurement methods without Hydro/DXA available). Since anyone who eats in a surplus will add weight anyway, both muscle and fat, not all of that is the supplement either. Same goes for strength - does anyone here NOT get stronger in 2 months on a properly designed program just eating food? And didn't the ECK Polyphenols cause the Koreans to lose fat in a surplus (albeit only an estimated 79 and 106kcal surplus')?

Not trying to bust your balls, just putting some analytics to the numbers reported.
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I definitely agree with you so don't get me wrong. All I know is that I'm lifting close to the same weight now @ 175 that I was when I was over 215 pounds. I dieted down from 225 to 153 over the course of 18 months though so was in a very prolonged deficit. I'm not sure if the strength gains and stuff would have just happened like this naturally without any supplements. In all honesty, they probably would have.

Like I said, I only bought this stuff for fun and any real results were a welcomed byproduct but I didn't go into it thinking it would be the powerhouse that so many claim. In fact, I kind of laughed it off when I saw all the numbers from studies because really, when does that ever work in the real world? I remember when I started taking betaine I thought I would grow an .5-1 inch on my arms because I read that's what happened during studies. Lmao.

I think I'm with Rand0m here in saying that FD 2.0 has a noticeable effect on endurance/pumps/muscle fullness. It probably does support a bit more lean mass growth than nothing at all and helps keep fat gain lower than normal as well but to what degree who knows? I wish I had access to a DEXA scan before/during/after for things like this but I'm not spending $200+ just to see if a 30 dollar product does what it claims lol.

Anyways, it's winter so fuk natty supps for now. On to H-drol and Sup3r DHEA! My buddy gave me half of his left over Halo-plex on Monday so I've already started taking that since my order will arrive before that's empty. I also had a leftover bottle of Dermacrine with 12-15 pumps left in it so I'm using 3 pumps a day of that until my sup3er dhea gets here. Maybe I should start a log for that cycle just for fun.
 
I appreciate your effort - I 100% believe all numbers. Would have been very easy to fudge the results for a better appearance - which happens IMO. You didn't - Thanks!
 
Todays workout

Squats
135 x 3
185 x 3

235 x 3
235 x 3
235 x 7
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Front Squats
155 x 6
165 x 5
155 x 6
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Single Leg Press
1 plate x 12
1 plate x 12
1 plate x 12
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Standing Leg Curl
25 pound plate x 12
25 pound plate x 12
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Single Leg Extension
30 x 12
30 x 12

Abs x A lot lol
 
Eh, off of FD 2.0 but don't feel like making a new log. Started Or1gin today.

176 @ 10.6%

Bench
185 x 3
185 x 3
185 x 3
185 x 3
185 x 3
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DB Incline
80 x 6 wooo
85 x 3 wooooo
75 x 5
65 x 8
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DB Flat Paused Bench
55 x 8
55 x 8
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DB Incline Skullcrushers
17.5 x 10
20 x 8
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DB Laterals straight drop set
20 x 8, 17.5 x 8, 15 x 8, 12.5 x 8, 10 x 8
--
V bar Tricep Pushdown
100 x 12
110 x 10
120 x 8
--
Single arm Pushdown/single arm cable curl
10 x 15
10 x 15
10 x 15
 
hiimnotcool said:
Eh, off of FD 2.0 but don't feel like making a new log. Started Or1gin today.

176 @ 10.6%

Bench
185 x 3
185 x 3
185 x 3
185 x 3
185 x 3
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DB Incline
80 x 6 wooo
85 x 3 wooooo
75 x 5
65 x 8
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DB Flat Paused Bench
55 x 8
55 x 8
---
DB Incline Skullcrushers
17.5 x 10
20 x 8
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DB Laterals straight drop set
20 x 8, 17.5 x 8, 15 x 8, 12.5 x 8, 10 x 8
--
V bar Tricep Pushdown
100 x 12
110 x 10
120 x 8
--
Single arm Pushdown/single arm cable curl
10 x 15
10 x 15
10 x 15
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Whats your final thoughts on FD2.0?
 
The_Old_Guy said:
What was (and will be) you're caloric surplus for Origin?
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I'm actually going to eat at a 100 to 300 calorie deficit most days. Might throw a few maintenance days in during the week. Slow recomp until March then full blown cut through Summer.

I've been in a deficit for the last 4 or 5 days so yesterday's training was good. The 85s on db incline surprised me.

I also have some bulk HMB-CA so I might start using that at 3 grams a day while in the deficit.
 
Are your weights including or excluding the bars weight? I'm a little confused by some of your weights to be honest. I see you have 17.5lb dumbbells. Are these regular db or ones that you add weights on to? You're doing 120lbs on tricep pushdown and 10lbs on single arm pushdown?
 
210LBS said:
Are your weights including or excluding the bars weight? I'm a little confused by some of your weights to be honest. I see you have 17.5lb dumbbells. Are these regular db or ones that you add weights on to? You're doing 120lbs on tricep pushdown and 10lbs on single arm pushdown?
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I list the total weights. All of the DB work is regular dumbbells at the gym.

Lol the 10 pound Tricep Pushdown are just between sets for fun and a pump, I don't really give too much attention to accessory movements like that. I mainly care about the main compound and secondary compound lifts getting stronger. Sorry for the confusion.
 
Had a great workout today. I woke up feeling like crap and not wanting to lift but I'm glad I did!

Deadlifts
135 x 3
225 x 3
275 x 1
315 x 1

365 x 1 (it was here I just decided to do heavy singles because it felt heavy but definitely not too bad)

415 x 1 (was reticent about it but figured why not, it was 15 pounds from all time PR)

435 x 1 (wooo, PR! It was hard as fuk. My jaw kind of cracked during it lmao)
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DB Shrugs with pause
75 x 12
80 x 10
85 x 10
90 x 8
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Face Pulls
20 x 15
30 x 15
30 x 15

Like 3 sets of curls for 12-15. All finished.
 
Down to 172.5

OHP
125 x 3
125 x 3
125 x 3
125 x 3
125 x 3
---
Seated DB Shoulder Press
60 x 8
60 x 8
---
DB Arnold press
45 x 8
45 x 8
---
Hammer Strength shoulder press
1 plate x 10
1 plate +25 x 10
1 plate +25 x 10
---
Lots of tricep, bicep and side and rear delt volume.
 
Oh, by the way...measured my legs yesterday and they're at 23 inches!!! I don't remember the measurment when I started this blog off the top of my head but I think they were around 22.
 
Squats today

135 x 3
185 x 3
235 x 5
235 x 5
235 x 3
235 x 3
--
Single Leg Press
1 plate + 10 x 10, 10, q0
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Standing Leg Curl
30 x 10, 10, 10
---
Couple sets of seated calf raises, leg extensions and seated leg curls
 
Weight is maintaining. Gonna up the deficit 3-4 days per week then just eat at maintenance before squat, bench and Deadlift days. probably something like 750-1000 deficit on days I diet with a focus on high protein and low-moderate carbs and fats. Will try to keep low sodium and high potassium on those days too. The maintenance days I'll just eat high carbs and not worry too much about sodium intake.

Anyways,

Good workout today. Ate at around maintenance yesterday since today was deadlifts

Sooo here's the workout.

Deadlifts
135 x 3
225 x 3
275 x 1
315 x 1
365 x 3
375 x 3
375 x 3
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Sumo Deadlift
315 x 5
315 x 5
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DB Shrugs w/Pause
80 x 8
85 x 8
90 x 8
70 x 15
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Face Pulls
4 x 15
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Various curls
4 x 8-15 reps
 
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