Non hormonal "strength" stacks

I always take my AlphaMax XT with food. Even when stacked with ABE. No issues for me. But then again everybody is different.

And for the results, I see body comp changes around week 3-4 (almost a full bottle gone) and yes, run for 8 weeks to see maximum results.
 
Great Info guys, I am considering doing a laxo and epi. And after reading this will be adding betaine to my everyday supps. From what i have read Follidrone 2.0 is the best for epi and Laxo im up in the air. Any suggestions guys?
 
Bigdeputy said:
Great Info guys, I am considering doing a laxo and epi. And after reading this will be adding betaine to my everyday supps. From what i have read Follidrone 2.0 is the best for epi and Laxo im up in the air. Any suggestions guys?
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Don't bother with it.
 
sespress said:
Lotta people say that about fd2, you give it a shot and get nothing out of it?
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I meant con't bother with the laxogenin, epicatechin I wouldn't steer someone away from even though it's benefits aren't really bodybuilding related.
 
One more vote to Tr1umph. The cherry berry flavour is delicious! PA + TMG + creatine + elevAtp + AlphaSize + rhodiola + other stuff. Cant beat that monster combo in a single supp.
Tr1umph is by far the best supp out there IMO.
 
This is exactly what I'm thinking of running but since I'm a noob as well, I'm wondering how to dose throughout the day on training and non-training days:

X-Gels
Creatine (pre or post-? I've read both)
Epi
ABE
LCLT
ALCAR (also have a tub of AAKG I haven't used)

I tend to workout in the evenings so I'm avoiding stims right now since I have trouble sleeping as it is. Just checked the sleep aid thread and am going to grab one of the products recommended by you guys (probably Dream and Grow).
 
razz2525 said:
This is exactly what I'm thinking of running but since I'm a noob as well, I'm wondering how to dose throughout the day on training and non-training days:

X-Gels
Creatine (pre or post-? I've read both)
Epi
ABE
LCLT
ALCAR (also have a tub of AAKG I haven't used)

I tend to workout in the evenings so I'm avoiding stims right now since I have trouble sleeping as it is. Just checked the sleep aid thread and am going to grab one of the products recommended by you guys (probably Dream and Grow).
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Training days:

X-Gels (all capsules on an empty stomach preworkout)
Creatine (doesn't really matter)
ABE (2 caps with 2 large meals, or 2 preworkout, 2 post)
LCLT (1 gram postworkout)
ALCAR (1 gram preworkout


Non training days:

X-Gels (don't take it if you workout 4 or more times a week on off days)
Creatine (doesn't really matter)
ABE (2 caps with 2 large meals)
LCLT (doesn't really matter)
ALCAR (doesn't really matter)
 
Synapsin said:
Training days:

X-Gels (all capsules on an empty stomach preworkout)
Creatine (doesn't really matter)
ABE (2 caps with 2 large meals, or 2 preworkout, 2 post)
LCLT (1 gram postworkout)
ALCAR (1 gram preworkout


Non training days:

X-Gels (don't take it if you workout 4 or more times a week on off days)
Creatine (doesn't really matter)
ABE (2 caps with 2 large meals)
LCLT (doesn't really matter)
ALCAR (doesn't really matter)
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Great plan right here.
 
u_e_s_i said:
Does ArA have any side effects in the short term or long term? Also, can it be used during PCT?
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Some get joint pain while using it, no long term sides.

Highly recommend it during PCT
 
Synapsin said:
Training days:

X-Gels (all capsules on an empty stomach preworkout)
Creatine (doesn't really matter)
ABE (2 caps with 2 large meals, or 2 preworkout, 2 post)
LCLT (1 gram postworkout)
ALCAR (1 gram preworkout


Non training days:

X-Gels (don't take it if you workout 4 or more times a week on off days)
Creatine (doesn't really matter)
ABE (2 caps with 2 large meals)
LCLT (doesn't really matter)
ALCAR (doesn't really matter)
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This is an excellent protocol
 
Another great option would be origin from OL. It will add in increasing strength and mass.
 
Mass max xt for 8 weeks. If you can afford it stack Alphamax xt or m test for 8 weeks also.
 
Synapsin said:
Training days:

X-Gels (all capsules on an empty stomach preworkout)
Creatine (doesn't really matter)
ABE (2 caps with 2 large meals, or 2 preworkout, 2 post)
LCLT (1 gram postworkout)
ALCAR (1 gram preworkout


Non training days:

X-Gels (don't take it if you workout 4 or more times a week on off days)
Creatine (doesn't really matter)
ABE (2 caps with 2 large meals)
LCLT (doesn't really matter)
ALCAR (doesn't really matter)
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What's LCLT?
 
Long Jack is just one ingredient in alphamax or m test. I would take for 8 weeks then take a break.
 
u_e_s_i said:
How long can a cycle of long jack last?
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8 weeks is a common cycle length, and works well for a lot of other ingredients in supplements like AlphaMax xT and M-Test, although some studies/papers reference studies that lasted 12 weeks (the following links reference the 12 week studies):
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There's also this 12-week study:
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And here's a study that seems to be actually 9 months:
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dvw said:
Long Jack is just one ingredient in alphamax or m test. I would take for 8 weeks then take a break.
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WRONG...one of the biggest differences between the two is alphamax has long jack, m-test has fadogia.
 
thebigt said:
WRONG...one of the biggest differences between the two is alphamax has long jack, m-test has fadogia.
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M-Test has long jack as well. M-Test has fadogia and Alphamax XT has Forskolin 95, Ferulic Acid, Vit D and DHAA. Other than that very similar.
 
cubsfan815 said:
M-Test has long jack as well. M-Test has fadogia and Alphamax XT has Forskolin 95, Ferulic Acid, Vit D and DHAA. Other than that very similar.
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for me it is the fadogia that sets the 2 apart. you are correct m-test does have a small amount of long jack but it plays a secondary role to fadogia---which alphamax does not have.
 
cubsfan815 said:
Gotcha, I read it as M-Test not having it.
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lol...thanks for letting me off the hook..the small amount of long jack in m-test is so insignificant I forgot it was even there-duh!!!

oh well i'm not a rep just a fan so i'm allowed to make a mistake:laugh:
 
dvw said:
Mass max xt for 8 weeks. If you can afford it stack Alphamax xt or m test for 8 weeks also.
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Here's a nice deal for ya if you decide to order - visit the link provided below and get 20% off the entire order plus if you enter promo code AM5 it gives you an additional 5%.

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I am currently running this non-hormonal stack.
Orig1n
Tr1umph
Sup3r-7
Str3ngth Unleashed
Hoping for a solid increase in strength and also aid in lean gains
 
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