muscleupcrohn
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Ok, and this part from your post is very true;
"because if you're not putting in work these products are never going to work for you."
Diesel Test while on TRT?
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"because if you're not putting in work these products are never going to work for you."
NewAgeMayan
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Hanbammer time.
thebigt
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things never change...10 years ago when I joined this forum people were bashing GET DIESEL. I decided to try for myself and became a fan, I remain a fan.
there are several really good test booster/performance enhancing products on the market that I like and get good results from, I like to change things up and try different products since I am either on andro's or test boosters continuously since taken off trt. I mix and match products so I don't run the same thing too much, but diesel will continue to be part of my rotation....
on a side note---I consider todays test booster's to be as much or more performance enhancers than actual test boosters....a 200 bump in test is very nice but even without the bump in test improved sleep, more motivation, some strength gain, aggression, appetite increase, libido, mood enhancement, and most importantly feelings of well being are all attributes of todays test boosters.
there are several really good test booster/performance enhancing products on the market that I like and get good results from, I like to change things up and try different products since I am either on andro's or test boosters continuously since taken off trt. I mix and match products so I don't run the same thing too much, but diesel will continue to be part of my rotation....
on a side note---I consider todays test booster's to be as much or more performance enhancers than actual test boosters....a 200 bump in test is very nice but even without the bump in test improved sleep, more motivation, some strength gain, aggression, appetite increase, libido, mood enhancement, and most importantly feelings of well being are all attributes of todays test boosters.
muscleupcrohn
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Regarding the bold, I strongly agree. I find that the value of test boosters comes more from providing benefits associated with testosterone than simply slightly increasing t-levels (libido, strength, endurance, body composition, mood, etc), especially if they're already in the normal range, and no one should be relying solely on a natural test booster to restore their testosterone production following an actual anabolic run. Some examples of this IMO are ashwagandha, forskolin, and tongkat ali. There is research showing they can all increase testosterone levels, but I argue that their main benefits are not simply increasing the # on lab work, and work via different MoAs as well that it is unwise to ignore IMO.
SweetLou321
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Your the guy running large amounts of aas not long ago? Ok
Anyways I've used dth, dt pro, and jp8 in the past. I'll pass on em all.
I've pointed out flaws in his own write ups and info. Idk how anyways can use this guys stuff if he can't even get his own info right.
On that point both jp8 write up on his sites state that he has a 1.82g blend of creatine and coq10 per scoop yet he also says one scoop is 2.5g.
So as he stands here and says he doesn't need to back anything up. I'm not sure we would want him too as it would most likely be wrong. He doesn't know what he's doing and doesn't have good service. The problem is the customer base is getting smarter on the boards and he can't keep up.
Good luck in business chuck but I'd encourage you get some qualified people for some r and d or some people to recheck your info and facts.
Rocket3015
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I logged Get Diesel Product before I was a rep and hat Great Results, I'm still happy to day with all the product, I get some of them for free and I buy some with my own Hard Earned Money (and I'm cheap)
rtmilburn
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Not questioning the products. They may or may not be good idk, I've haven't tried them. My questions lay with how evasive chuck is with he response to any questions about his products. Which is odd as he has always came of as a nice guy but not so much in this thread
TheMovement
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Chuck Diesel
Are you Diesel?
[video=youtube;G4Z0njdauYU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v= G4Z0njdauYU[/video]
Some of todays pulls. Set 6 of about 14.
People got a lot to say about people or company's they are jealous of. Trust me been going on for 11 years here on AM...in the meanwhile im still Diesel and products still work btches.
Trust me if they ain't hatin' you not doing something right.
Some of todays pulls. Set 6 of about 14.
People got a lot to say about people or company's they are jealous of. Trust me been going on for 11 years here on AM...in the meanwhile im still Diesel and products still work btches.
Trust me if they ain't hatin' you not doing something right.
muscleupcrohn
Legend
Video isn't working for me (iPhone).
muscleupcrohn
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Edit: It works on my computer, must just be something on the phone. Nice set man, but I'm not entirely sure what it, or hulk's insistence on us posting pictures/videos, has to do with this thread or our ability to discuss supplements. Either way, I think this thread is beating a dead horse at this point, and we should all just get along and lift, haha.
bighulksmash
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muscleupcrohn
Legend
It's all good man.I guess I have a thing for watching ... Didn't mean no harm
I've just always been bothered by the fallacy that anyone who is big/strong must be knowledgeable regarding supplements, or that a bigger person is inherently more educated/informed/knowledgeable regarding supplements than a smaller person. This sort of thinking is why putting a monster in an ad for a supplement "convinces" (tricks) many newer/uneducated consumers into thinking that it must work, or that they must know what they're talking about. How much do I have to bench for my input on supplements to be legitimate? How big do my biceps have to be? That's not really how it works.
bighulksmash
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It's all good man.
I've just always been bothered by the fallacy that anyone who is big/strong must be knowledgeable regarding supplements, or that a bigger person is inherently more educated/informed/knowledgeable regarding supplements than a smaller person. This sort of thinking is why putting a monster in an ad for a supplement "convinces" (tricks) many newer/uneducated consumers into thinking that it must work, or that they must know what they're talking about. How much do I have to bench for my input on supplements to be legitimate? How big do my biceps have to be? That's not really how it works.
Want to add anything else ? I dont think anyone cares what you can bench . It was a friendly challenge. If you only bench 135 thats fine . No one said what you bench had anything to do with your knowledge.
Your looking for ways now to give me shyt . Ask Aaron how I handle things . My pm box is empty hmu there .
muscleupcrohn
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No hard feelings at all man, sometimes we can all get a little heated here. I do appreciate people who post pictures/videos too though; it adds another layer to logs/reviews, and helps add a more personal touch, which is often missing online, and I feel can lead to hostility, which there has been a good bit of ITT. I vote that we just drop this silly bickering and get back to being friendly brothers in iron; there are few enough people who take lifting and the lifestyle seriously that we don't need to fight among ourselves over nonsense.
bighulksmash
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No hard feelings at all man, sometimes we can all get a little heated here. I do appreciate people who post pictures/videos too though; it adds another layer to logs/reviews, and helps add a more personal touch, which is often missing online, and I feel can lead to hostility, which there has been a good bit of ITT. I vote that we just drop this silly bickering and get back to being friendly brothers in iron; there are few enough people who take lifting and the lifestyle seriously that we don't need to fight among ourselves over nonsense.
Strongly agree
mmorso
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^^^This is interesting... There is also the flame on the forum that happens if you question popular products like say Follidrone 2.0 for instance, which some do criticize for having hidden doses of epicatechin in a prop blend. Guys jump on people for that sh1t, defend Brundle and his reasons for not disclosing all the ingredients/doses, etc., and direct people to the thousands of pages of logs and real world results that people are experiencing with Follidrone 2. Brundle is highly intelligent and can explain the science behind his product in depth, but that becomes irrelevant when we don't know exactly what's in FD2. Chuck clearly doesn't have the aptitude to explain the science (or lack thereof) in his products, but does indicate the ingredients and doses. I think a comparison is warranted here for the sake of fairness, because for me it ultimately comes down to the products working or not working. As a consumer, I read logs and see progress pics and want to run something the shredded or the huge guy ran... if it contains dried whale jizz and will add some weight to my bench I'll run that sh1t all day long without needing to know why whale jizz kicks so much ass..
Test boosters are bullsh1t for the most part, but like thebigt stated, there is also a performance enhancement aspect to them and if enough guys I respect are recommending diesel, I'll give it a shot...
The_Old_Guy
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Holy crap, now we are saying that natty test boosters help you lift more weight (and especially huge numbers since we now have pics and video)? LOL! There's a Testosterone Enanthate study you guys should read. Nobody who's anybody in the medical/research field will ever state that bouncing around the physiological range will give you more strength or mass. Am I open to the possibility that going from 350 to 1050 *may*? Sure - but 3 different blood work results posts in this very thread, show the same as always little bump of 100-200 points in Total T. But there was probably a nice increase in Free T because as usual, natty boosters actually seem to do pretty well in that area (but would bulk LJ/Nettle do it cheaper???).
Nobody (well, not me at least) is "Hating" in this thread - Except on the claim of an 800 point increase from a natty booster - that was left standing by the mfg and his fans. That's complete BS.
If I wanted a couple hundred points more, I'd have no problem using a Diesel product (well, philosophically I don't buy prop blends if alternatives are avail) - It's all generally the same stuff that works - for 200'ish points, libido, "well being", and better fat loss.
But squeaky wheels get grease - and massive 800 point increase claims are pretty freaking loud. I'd personally squash them if I owned a supp company - less science nerds will be drawn to the noise.
Nobody (well, not me at least) is "Hating" in this thread - Except on the claim of an 800 point increase from a natty booster - that was left standing by the mfg and his fans. That's complete BS.
If I wanted a couple hundred points more, I'd have no problem using a Diesel product (well, philosophically I don't buy prop blends if alternatives are avail) - It's all generally the same stuff that works - for 200'ish points, libido, "well being", and better fat loss.
But squeaky wheels get grease - and massive 800 point increase claims are pretty freaking loud. I'd personally squash them if I owned a supp company - less science nerds will be drawn to the noise.
Chuck Diesel
Are you Diesel?
Hey if it makes you guys more confident in your training and supplement goals that I don't have the aptitude to explain the science behind my products they hey believe that and don't use them.
Meanwhile my products just miraculously work, my line up of products is solid, I have competed and won several drug free powelifting competitions, was a lifetime drug free NPC athlete, been in businsss 14+ years, have a MBA and the haters are only good at.....hating. ?
There will be a cold day in hell before I post trade secrets on a message board. Keep wishing. I'd rather be seen as the guy who doesn't have the aptitude to to explain the science behind why my products work so well ?
There is a pattern on AM, its a little ironic that my like has been around the longest of all AM board sponsors thats not carried by any AM retailer. Not one....but my test boosters are some of the best selling on Amazon with no major advertising. Ill take that.
Chuck Diesel
Are you Diesel?
Someone show me a quote in 11yrs on AM where I said someone's test will go up 800 pts on my product? I don't even talk to customers who email me about pts. Fck points. People buy my products because they want training intensity, alpha male mentality, drive, motivation, and a hard dck. Idc if that comes with 50pts or 200pts.
Now are there tons on logs on here and bb.com showing boost in pts? Yes. They are in the Diesel Test write up at getdiesel.com. you can look them up and see the pts for you point junkies. The rest of use test boosters to feel like an Alpha male.
Danes
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This is the only thing I actually agree with you.
When I use T.boosters, I dont use them to get high T.spike. I use them for mood,energy,libido etc
muscleupcrohn
Legend
Seconded.
mmorso
Well-known member
Lol.. i was defending you bro, but let's face it: you don't have the aptitude to EXPLAIN the science behind your products; this requires having a small degree of people skills and salesmanship.
I drew up a comparison between Diesel and BLR: Brundle declines explaining the ingredients/dosages and explains how much on an investment he has in R&D, etc. and 99% of people respect that. Why? Cause his products work and he isn't insulting.
You, on the other hand, tell potential consumers to "go eat a d1ck."
I don't have a dog in the fight here bro.. I'm going to try your products cause I hear they work, and I don't give a fck if you don't explain the science and that your personality sucks ass.
Chuck Diesel
Are you Diesel?
Ok bro. That wasn't defending but take care.
Chuck Diesel
Are you Diesel?
Let me explain something to you guys about human psychology. When you spend this much time knocking a product someone produces, its because you feel inferior to that person. Thats plain and simple. Its envy. Not one Diesel hater on here owns a supplement company or have formulated an effective sports supplement that has been sold for over 5yrs. None of you use my line. None of you are probably competitive athletes. Its confusing to you guys because I'm not the typical owner that just has reps running around spamming products, I'm actually on the boards.
You guys feel I'm your peer. So the respect level is different because you feel like "fck him. He's normal like us but won't tell us why his products work so well so you know what. Fck him. I hate him."
Its ok. I understand completely because Ill tell you one thing; if my test boosters sucked like 99% of these other test booster...
you guys wouldn't have anything to say.
You guys feel I'm your peer. So the respect level is different because you feel like "fck him. He's normal like us but won't tell us why his products work so well so you know what. Fck him. I hate him."
Its ok. I understand completely because Ill tell you one thing; if my test boosters sucked like 99% of these other test booster...
you guys wouldn't have anything to say.
Danes
Well-known member
1. Who say your products does not work?
2. You are pretty funny saying 99% of T boosters suck but your products are working. (Meaning just your T booster work and other sucks).
3. I bet you as person is a great guy. I cant say anything negative things because I dont know you. But as a owner of a company, you are arrogant,misunderstanding and not much helpfull at all.
4.you say we are just jelaous etc. Jelaous? I personaly dont like the way you are answering a simple question I am asking. And if you knew anything about human psychology, you would know your answer is a reflection of your thinking. Which is not good at all. No matter what we say to you, your anwer is "i dont need to prove anything.my products works.i have been in this game 10 years+++".
You feel every question is a personal attack. Calm down man
muscleupcrohn
Legend
You are making a great deal of assumptions, both about our though processes and our histories/qualifications/etc. It is beyond fallacious logic to assume that "knocking" or criticizing something inherently and necessarily stems from jealousy. Also, just to put it out there, I don't hate you or your products at all man. If nothing else, I respect that you are known and active as the face/head of a company, and actually use your products, but I advise you not make such broad and sweeping generalizations and assumptions about others.
justhere4comm
Banned
Testosterone Booster Sides... Someone had to.
#donthatemebro
#donthatemebro
Woody
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I'm really just here to point out the fallacies myself and the horrible argumentative forms but hey I guess that makes us captains of #TeamPB&J
Chuck Diesel
Are you Diesel?
Woody.....eat a dck. No pun intended. ?
Woody
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Woody.....eat a dck. No pun intended.
You know what they say... you've lost when all you have left is personal attacks.
The_Old_Guy
Well-known member
Show me in this thread where you told the OP "thanks for the attribution to my product, but even my best of breed test booster didn't increase your test from 800 to " over 1500" "
If you did, I wouldn't be in here, LOL.
3 blood work results from 3 DT products users - 100, 160, and "A bit better than what has already been posted" Total T increases. If this makes you feel great - awesome. I believe it.
Its the wild claims that get people going, especially when left to stand unchallenged by fans and the mfg.
pro45
Member
I used DT hardcore in 2004 and 2005 and it worked great. I never had any blood work done, but I was a beast in the gym and even developed acne. Sex drive was off the chain. I tried again with DTHC last year and didn't feel anything. I cannot do the formula with Yohimbine. I might give DTHC another shot next month. Is this a new formula, Chuck? I am now 57 years old and my test numbers are above average for a guy my age. No pro hormones, no illegal stuff. Just creatine, Vit D, creatine. Might be time for another experiment.
mmorso
Well-known member
Honestly bro I am sympathetic here and think that your attitude of "it works.. if you don't like that I don't disclose the ingredients don't buy my product," is fair enough. For real.. I don't have a problem with this at all.
I buy mainly OL products cause I think they've got some of the best sh1t out there and have only had great success with their products, which seems to be very similar to what others experience. I'll read the descriptions of products like Tr1umph or Ingit3 and have no fcking idea what the scientific claims mean, as I don't really understand how mTOR, cAMP, AMPK really work and am not going to pretend I do because it's fashionable to understand these things on AM... I'm just a normal dude trying to get big by working hard, eating right, and taking supplements/drugs to accomplish my goals. I think a lot of people on here are like me in this regard...
I think there are a lot of people who have read the extensive scientific data that indicates ingredients like CLA and glutamine have positive impact on body composition and have simply wasted their money on CLA and glutamine. So, personally, I mainly go off of anecdotal evidence when I buy sups because I want real world results.
Sorry if you got offended by me saying you lack the aptitude to explain the science or that your personality sucks. I'm not attacking you man, I just calls it like I sees it, and was trying to make a point that your attitude/personality has no bearing on if your products work or not. I was doing this because it seems like there have been a few ad hominem arguments in this thread that were a little irrelevant. I don't know if this makes sense or not, but me thinking your an asshle but still wanting to buy your products represents the demographic of consumers that keep you in business... you've pointed this out yourself but saying people want something that works.
Anyway, I mean no insult or disrespect, but when you tell us to eat a dck, I in turn think your an asshle, and think so not out of "jealousy" or being a "hater."
Take care man, I wish you and your company the best and look forward to running the 3 Kings Stack, which I've heard great things about.
mmorso
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K1ng's Blood and Alphamax XT
Both got sh1t in them that I dont understand, but hey my dcks hard again after a 16 or 17 week cycle so I'm happy.
ma70
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I was just mostly joking about how everyone in this thread is being aggressive and alpha male. Whoooo.
Woody
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bighulksmash
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ucheoma
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Is it just me or does anyone else think "childish" about sections of this post? I don't know where to start. The childlike nature of some of the posts in this thread does seem to be a recurring characteristic of a few posters. Oh, and your arms don't impress me much!
bighulksmash
Legend
Weakness is rampant in here as well .
thebigt
Legend
for the sake of fairness I think you should add that you are not a fan of test boosters in general, regardless of the brand.....
Alpha1a
Well-known member
Is anyone actually arguing any point in here ? For the most part I feel it's in agreement that the Diesel has products that work, and Chuck doesn't give a fucc about anyone's opinion anyways , what exactly is being argued here ? I am on no "side" just been watching the whole time and see no point being argued . Dont like Chucks attitude ? Don't hand him your money clearly he doesn't care and feels he doesn't "NEED" any one on here buying his product .
Seriously not tryna get involved in the "argument" just think ts about time this thread gets closed as nothing else will ever make this come to a "conclusion". Am I right Admin ?
Seriously not tryna get involved in the "argument" just think ts about time this thread gets closed as nothing else will ever make this come to a "conclusion". Am I right Admin ?
ucheoma
Active member
Agree....until bloodwork is in:..wiggle: (for us "bloodwork junkies").
There seems to be emerging consensus on the board that the main benefit of test boosters is in their health and wellbeing properties rather than "test boosting". If only the marketing claims could remotely match up with the reality. OP didn't come in here saying 'mood' felt great, libido was up...etc He kicked off the thread with an outrageous inference about levels of test increase which is what prompted the barrage of comments. This is not an isolated commentary on DT. Virtually All supp manufacturers of test boosters on this board make hugely exaggerated test boosting marketing claims. Pick any website and have a laugh...
The_Old_Guy
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In every single post I make on them, I say they will work to raise your T a couple hundred points, increase libido/well being, and improve fat loss. Is that useless to *me*? Yup, I don't need it, I always feel great, am lean enough and use Ephedrine for that purpose, and sport wood when watching the female hosts on the Shopping Network. I've tried a lot of the popular stuff and nothing made me go "holy heck! I'm getting that again!" - I'm lucky, I don't need them. But I have nothing against someone else who wants a small "bump" in the 3 areas, using them if they have the funds.
***I'm not a fan of the BS claims more than against the category itself.***
What was the point of your post? Fan or not, I just post factual data - if someone disagrees, they can post counter factual data. Lying/BS'ing on here, is a sure way to draw a whole lot of unwanted attention (as this thread demonstrates, LOL) I check my stuff to the best of my ability - could still be wrong, but not on purpose.
thebigt
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you just made the point of my post...some who are unfamiliar with your posting might get the idea that you are singling out diesel as the only brand you have issues with. I only wanted the casual forum user to be aware that you have issues with ALL test boosters.....actually I think the recent presidential election proves that there is no unwanted attention, in my opinion this thread will make people even more curious to see for themselves if diesel products work or not---free advertising!!!
The_Old_Guy
Well-known member
Thread creep man ? Original point is that a natty T booster will not raise your T from 800 to "over 1500". But the thread turned into " Sh*t works bro!" - without defining what "works" actually means. I once again would like to thank the 3 posters who relayed their blood work results showing a 100 to 200 point increase. This thread would be a whole lot smaller if there was some proactive involvement on the original claim, IMO.
The_Old_Guy
Well-known member
Thanks for looking out for the masses.
Dear Masses,
In the future, if you read one of my posts that speaks negatively about a product, I either tried it and it didn't do jack, or a bunch of scientists studied it and it didn't do jack or it does a lot less than some outrageous claims you may see.
That is all, carry on ?
muscleupcrohn
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Off topic, but if his election proved anything, it's that you can't blindly trust the media, haha. Which, incidentally, is something that holds true in the supplement world as well. Sorry for the tangent.
But seriously, how is this thread still going? Every time it looks like it's resolved and dying down, it comes back in full force. Maybe it should be put out or its misery; it just won't die.
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