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Diesel Test while on TRT?

Woody said:
1) Olympus Labs products are formulated with actual science using ingredients that are proven to be effective. We don't throw a bunch of stuff in a pot and hope for the best.

2) You're acting like a child throwing a temper tantrum because the big bad forum guys are giving poor whittle chucky a hard hard time about his oddly formulated products

3) You're not even accessible about your products. You refuse to shed any insight into your product to anyone who asks. You dodge questions about science. You give run around answers. And you insult consumers. Apparently you just want mindless sheep to purchase your products and not question if you even know how to formulate because the second someone asks an intelligent question about your products you have a complete personality shift.
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Send him the OL product to log and do before and after blood work. How hard is that?
 
Chuck Diesel said:
You're telling me which product works the best and you haven't used either one of them??
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You dont know me. Seriously.
I am one who has used almost every single test boosting compound you can find. Even some you have never heard of..high doses, combined doses +++. I know exactly what works and what is not working.
Like I said, if you need any info about any compounds, feel free to send me PM or ask here. Because its better to know some facts instead of answering "Ey bro I will not tell you. Its like giving a super secret lasagna sauce recipe". That is just not good
 
Danes said:
You dont know me. Seriously.
I am one who has used almost every single test boosting compound you can find. Even some you have never heard of..high doses, combined doses +++. I know exactly what works and what is not working.
Like I said, if you need any info about any compounds, feel free to send me PM or ask here. Because its better to know some facts instead of answering "Ey bro I will not tell you. Its like giving a super secret lasagna sauce recipe". That is just not good
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Have you used Raw Test, Diesel Test Hardcore or Diesel Test Procycle?? I don't need to PM you for info about nothing, my company has had the most effective test boosters on the market for over 10 years. Seriously bro, just drop it, use the OL product and get out this thread.
 
Chuck Diesel said:
Have you used Raw Test, Diesel Test Hardcore or Diesel Test Procycle??
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I am NOT using any T boosting product containing Stims. That is just stupid. Putting stims in T booster is like fooling people .
Good luck posting in this thread. I am out of this sh1t
 
Chuck Diesel said:
Have you used Raw Test, Diesel Test Hardcore or Diesel Test Procycle?? I don't need to PM you for info about nothing, my company has had the most effective test boosters on the market for over 10 years. Seriously bro, just drop it, use the OL product and get out this thread.
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The only proof you have of this is your self serving statements and when push comes to shove about backing it up you act like a rabid dog backed into a corner.

What's worse is you can't even see how you are acting...
 
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Woody said:
The only proof you have of this is your self serving statements and when push comes to shove about backing it up you act like a rabid dog backed into a corner.

What's worse is you can't even see how you are acting...
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Do a search "DIESEL TEST Log" "Diesel Test review" "Diesel test labs" "Diesel Test PCT"

thanks
 
Chuck Diesel said:
This goes for you also bro. Send him the Olympus test booster to log and do blood work on. No idea why you haven't even suggested that. People been trying the "you dodge questions blabla bull sht insult customers bs" for years. Real consumers know I am a stand up guy with some good ass products, all the rest of y'all can eat a d**k. Guess what, I can say that because my goal here isn't to gain customers by kissing ass and false promises with BS ass write ups. Its to be accessible to the people who use my product for a purpose.
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Woody said:
1) Olympus Labs products are formulated with actual science using ingredients that are proven to be effective. We don't throw a bunch of stuff in a pot and hope for the best.

2) You're acting like a child throwing a temper tantrum because the big bad forum guys are giving poor whittle chucky a hard hard time about his oddly formulated products

3) You're not even accessible about your products. You refuse to shed any insight into your product to anyone who asks. You dodge questions about science. You give run around answers. And you insult consumers. Apparently you just want mindless sheep to purchase your products and not question if you even know how to formulate because the second someone asks an intelligent question about your products you have a complete personality shift.
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Since when does referencing scientific studies (with proper standardization and doses) constitute a "BS ass writeup?" If anything, wouldn't it be more BS to reference studies and the purported benefits of an ingredient without using the tested doses of said ingredient with proper standardization? I must have missed that memo. Oh well. And, just as a disclaimer, I AM NOT saying that Diesel products don't work by any means, as they do have good feedback from reputable users, I just wanted to point out some fallacious logic ITT.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
Since when does referencing scientific studies (with proper standardization and doses) constitute a "BS ass writeup?" If anything, wouldn't it be more BS to reference studies and the purported benefits of an ingredient without using the tested doses of said ingredient with proper standardization? I must have missed that memo. Oh well. And, just as a disclaimer, I AM NOT saying that Diesel products don't work by any means, as they do have good feedback from reputable users, I just wanted to point out some fallacious logic ITT.
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I didn't say anything about a companies product sucking because the writeup. I'm saying the write-up doesn't make the product good or great.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
Since when does referencing scientific studies (with proper standardization and doses) constitute a "BS ass writeup?" If anything, wouldn't it be more BS to reference studies and the purported benefits of an ingredient without using the tested doses of said ingredient with proper standardization? I must have missed that memo. Oh well. And, just as a disclaimer, I AM NOT saying that Diesel products don't work by any means, as they do have good feedback from reputable users, I just wanted to point out some fallacious logic ITT.
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I love the poster "award winning T booster" on Diesel site. It is equally true like his knowledge. Only a retard would trust that poster and those statements/claims on his page. Everything is fairy tale.
 
Chuck Diesel said:
I didn't say anything about a companies product sucking because the writeup. I'm saying the write-up doesn't make the product good or great.
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Ok, that's fair enough, but a good product certainly lends itself to a good write up, no? A good write up should make it clear to potential consumers why each ingredient and dose was used in said product, which should be doable for the formulator, assuming they are aware of why they selected each ingredient and dose in the first place. And, as another disclaimer, I AM NOT saying you don't know this by any means, just pointing out the methodology and objectives of a useful write-up. Great product formulation and research lends itself to a great write up, no?
 
Chuck Diesel said:
This goes for you also bro. Send him the Olympus test booster to log and do blood work on. No idea why you haven't even suggested that. People been trying the "you dodge questions blabla bull sht insult customers bs" for years. Real consumers know I am a stand up guy with some good ass products, all the rest of y'all can eat a d**k. Guess what, I can say that because my goal here isn't to gain customers by kissing ass and false promises with BS ass write ups. Its to be accessible to the people who use my product for a purpose.
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Your e2-x write up is still wrong selling people false promises with a bs write up (your words). As I pointed out earlier. Stop being rude dude.
 
Alpha1agreda said:
So, does this sh1t work or what?
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They are not bad products but FAR from best. And why buy from a company who self-claiming to have award winning products which is not true and claiming to have pharma grade ingredients. Pharma grade WHAT?
And pushing products with false claims and fake accounts!
Not to mention horrible customer service and lack of knowledge about ingredients etc
 
Danes said:
They are not bad products but FAR from best. And why buy from a company who self-claiming to have award winning products which is not true and claiming to have pharma grade ingredients. Pharma grade WHAT?
And pushing products with false claims and fake accounts!
Not to mention horrible customer service and lack of knowledge about ingredients etc
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This about sums it up, I think.
 
Danes said:
I love the poster "award winning T booster" on Diesel site. It is equally true like his knowledge. Only a retard would trust that poster and those statements/claims on his page. Everything is fairy tale.
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.....Diesel Test Procycle won test booster of the year in 2015 and 2016 from Planet Muscle magazine bro. The awards are right there on the site. Why you so mad?
 
Look this is all great attempts to discredit my products, myself etc. I get it. But what you don't get is the people who use my products swear by them. DIESEL TEST has been out 11 years. Thats crazy and unheard of for any sports supplement especially one by a company active on AM. Anyone with an ounce of sense can and will just search " DIESEL TEST review" or use it for themselves. People know Get Diesel sht is legit. All this fake account bs is useless propaganda. Every time this happens the people who have used the line are scared to speak up but my PMs blow up with "who is this idiot, etc." Every single time. I've been in it on here w reps and haters for over 10 yrs. If people are talking about you its for a few reasons. Jealously, hate or fear. You guys pick one. My sht still gonna sell.
 
Chuck Diesel said:
Look this is all great attempts to discredit my products, myself etc. I get it. But what you don't get is the people who use my products swear by them. DIESEL TEST has been out 11 years. Thats crazy and unheard of for any sports supplement especially one by a company active on AM. Anyone with an ounce of sense can and will just search " DIESEL TEST review" or use it for themselves. People know Get Diesel sht is legit. All this fake account bs is useless propaganda. Every time this happens the people who have used the line are scared to speak up but my PMs blow up with "who is this idiot, etc." Every single time. I've been in it on here w reps and haters for over 10 yrs. If people are talking about you its for a few reasons. Jealously, hate or fear. You guys pick one. My sht still gonna sell.
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Lol. I really need to admit one thing. On the positive side, you make me laugh and that is good :) thank you
 
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Imma bump this on the way to the gym. To actually put in some work on Procycle V3 and JP8x Hardcore. Danes. Good luck with
your experiment. The silver lining is I hope I don't hear from you for 60 days.
 
Chuck Diesel said:
[video=youtube;kFgMPzW8apo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFgMPzW8apo[/video]

Imma bump this on the way to the gym. To actually put in some work on Procycle V3 and JP8x Hardcore. Danes. Good luck with
your experiment. The silver lining is I hope I don't hear from you for 60 days.
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I am a honest guy and you will get my honest opinion. If it works (sunami + Raw), then I will admit it and will personaly apologize to you (making a thread). I will personaly show you a picture proving that I am actually using those two products. Bloodwork before and after too.
I am running Test Factor at the moment so thats why I need to wait until january. But I will purchase Sunami and Raw this month so I have it.
Have a good workout
 
I tried several test boosters and for whatever reason Diesel test compares very well. For instance, I used Alphamax XT without too much success. It is one thing to put an open label with clinical doses, etc. but I seriously question the quality of some of the ingredients that are used. Not all TA is the same as you all know for instance. I tried a lot of things from different vendors, pure ingredients, test boosters, etc.

In my opinion, Diesel Test is one of the best products out there (my Raw Test experience was not that "great"). Is the formula perfect, who knows? Are there useless things in it? Maybe. Does it work? At least for me, it is one of the few products that I actually repurchased (like Tonvara Turkesterone).

And to some extent, I get why Chuck is getting so defensive. In my subjective opinion, he gets "attacked" pretty often for his products, even though he obliges nobody to buy his stuff and is not spamming every thread with some advertising for his products.
 
mbonheur said:
I tried several test boosters and for whatever reason Diesel test compares very well. For instance, I used Alphamax XT without too much success. It is one thing to put an open label with clinical doses, etc. but I seriously question the quality of some of the ingredients that are used. Not all TA is the same as you all know for instance. I tried a lot of things from different vendors, pure ingredients, test boosters, etc.

In my opinion, Diesel Test is one of the best products out there (my Raw Test experience was not that "great"). Is the formula perfect, who knows? Are there useless things in it? Maybe. Does it work? At least for me, it is one of the few products that I actually repurchased (like Tonvara Turkesterone).

And to some extent, I get why Chuck is getting so defensive. In my subjective opinion, he gets "attacked" pretty often for his products, even though he obliges nobody to buy his stuff and is not spamming every thread with some advertising for his products.
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1. You ran Raw Test and Alphamax and your experience was not thar great..thats honest.

2.you ran another Diesel product and it was great. But you need to understand alphamax and Raw does not contain Stims. Procycle and other Diesel products have Yohimbe etc and ofcourse you will feel it from day one. Does it mean it did anything to your T levels? Ofcourse not. There is huge difference between what you feel and what bloodwork show!

3. You understand why he is so defensive?
You need to read whole thread then you will understand you are wrong
 
The_Old_Guy said:
What did your blood-work show for Total and Free Testosterone increases?
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It is not life changing and the numbers correspond to what has been put forward in the thread before, a little bit more. Well-being, libido, "feeling" is top notch though. But believe it or not, another test booster widely advertised here actually lowered my test and libido.
And I don't believe in bloodwork that much anyways as it is complicated to isolate every impact on my values.

At any rate, after years and years of swallowing stuff and doing experiments, I believe that I can determine for myself what works or not.
 
Danes said:
I am a honest guy and you will get my honest opinion. If it works...
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I know you know this, so humor me :D

OF COURSE IT WILL WORK!! - FOR A SMALL BUMP OF 100 TO 300 POINTS!! BUT NO WAY IN HECK THE OP INCREASED HIS LEVELS BY 800 POINTS, AND EVERYONE KNOWS IT - EVEN CHUCK.

All this "It works", "They work", "My stuff works" - Needs some SERIOUS qualification - defining what "works" actually entails.

*Any* Natural Testosterone booster is good for a couple hundred points max, period. They actually seem to do better lowering SHBG, but you can do that with bulk LJ and Nettle Root Extract.
 
mbonheur said:
It is not life changing and the numbers correspond to what has been put forward in the thread before, a little bit more.
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So 200'ish (highest so far has been 160) point increase. Thank you.

No one is saying a couple hundred points can't happen, or Libido improvement, or "feel good/well being", or even better fat loss. What some of us *are* saying - is quit pimping these things with over-the-moon claims like an 800 point increase. I think it actually does more harm than good for the products, but what do I know.
 
Danes said:
1. You ran Raw Test and Alphamax and your experience was not thar great..thats honest.

2.you ran another Diesel product and it was great. But you need to understand alphamax and Raw does not contain Stims. Procycle and other Diesel products have Yohimbe etc and ofcourse you will feel it from day one. Does it mean it did anything to your T levels? Ofcourse not. There is huge difference between what you feel and what bloodwork show!

3. You understand why he is so defensive?
You need to read whole thread then you will understand you are wrong
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Diesel Test does not contain Yohimbe. I am talking about the European version. And I did bloodwork (not for Raw Test though).

It is just my outside opinion of a mostly silent reader. I find it exaggerated.

Should he answer questions like that? Maybe. Does that mean he doesn't know that some ingredients don't do anything for testosterone? Not sure. Could be the case or not.

I also think that a test booster can include ingredients like adaptogens which do not increase testosterone to round up the experience and make it a better product. My best "natural" cycles are test boosters stacked with adaptogens in my experience.
 
The_Old_Guy said:
So 200'ish (highest so far has been 160) point increase. Thank you.

No one is saying a couple hundred points can't happen, or Libido improvement, or "feel good/well being", or even better fat loss. What some of us *are* saying - is quit pimping these things with over-the-moon claims like an 800 point increase. I think it actually does more harm than good for the products, but what do I know.
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I am not sure that this is now the discussion which is going on. The 800 increase is off the table and not credible. It is now about having 30 ingredients, adaptogens, etc. in a test booster, etc.
 
mbonheur said:
Diesel Test does not contain Yohimbe. I am talking about the European version. And I did bloodwork (not for Raw Test though).

It is just my outside opinion of a mostly silent reader. I find it exaggerated.

Should he answer questions like that? Maybe. Does that mean he doesn't know that some ingredients don't do anything for testosterone? Not sure. Could be the case or not.

I also think that a test booster can include ingredients like adaptogens which do not increase testosterone to round up the experience and make it a better product. My best "natural" cycles are test boosters stacked with adaptogens in my experience.
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Adding adaptogens to Test booster is just bonus.
 
The_Old_Guy said:
I know you know this, so humor me :D

OF COURSE IT WILL WORK!! - FOR A SMALL BUMP OF 100 TO 300 POINTS!! BUT NO WAY IN HECK THE OP INCREASED HIS LEVELS BY 800 POINTS, AND EVERYONE KNOWS IT - EVEN CHUCK.

All this "It works", "They work", "My stuff works" - Needs some SERIOUS qualification - defining what "works" actually entails.

*Any* Natural Testosterone booster is good for a couple hundred points max, period. They actually seem to do better lowering SHBG, but you can do that with bulk LJ and Nettle Root Extract.
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As I said, 100-200 increase will maybe happen. And thats it.but we will see :)
 
Danes said:
Adding adaptogens to Test booster is just bonus.
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Yes, so why is not compatible then? I don't think that the claim is, that every single ingredient boosts test, but that it is a complete test booster which increases also recovery and improves the workout experience.

Not saying that it is the case for this booster, but complementary ingredients which allow to improve recovery, decrease stress, etc. can be an interesting addition.
 
mbonheur said:
I am not sure that this is now the discussion which is going on. The 800 increase is off the table and not credible. It is now about having 30 ingredients, adaptogens, etc. in a test booster, etc.
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Well, that's all I care about :D I'm sure his stuff (even if it's 30 in a prop blend) is good for a couple hundred and a jump on the Free T as well. All these things contain generally the same sh^t, in generally the same amounts. Most of them only have Wistar Rat data :D There is no "secret combo" - that's a marketing technique.
 
The_Old_Guy said:
Well, that's all I care about :D I'm sure his stuff (even if it's 30 in a prop blend) is good for a couple hundred and a jump on the Free T as well. All these things contain generally the same sh^t, in generally the same amounts. Most of them only have Wistar Rat data :D There is no "secret combo" - that's a marketing technique.
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Secret combo does not bite on Uncle Danes! ;)
 
mbonheur said:
Yes, so why is not compatible then? I don't think that the claim is, that every single ingredient boosts test, but that it is a complete test booster which increases also recovery and improves the workout experience.

Not saying that it is the case for this booster, but complementary ingredients which allow to improve recovery, decrease stress, etc. can be an interesting addition.
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I am not sure if you understand me at all. Please, read this thread and you will understand 100%.
 
Definitely not trying to throw gasoline on the Fire but I would like to know how come nobody else is talking about the competition's testosterone boosters?

There are many other products out of the market that have things in them that don't work and if you see anybody in those threads once they talk about it the thread gets locked and they get a red ticket.

I bet not one of you who have attacked Chuck or his product got a red ticket. In another thread a while back I got into a heated argument over a certain brands product not working for me guess what 2 minutes later I got a p.m. from admin telling me to knock it off or I was gone.

I have videos of me lifting on YouTube and pictures in my logs.

Do any of you guys who are trashing Chuck's products have pictures of yourselves or videos of you lifting?

This is not a personal attack I just think that I feel like I need proof that you guys actually lift. Having a cartoon Avatar or no picture doesn't tell anybody anything.

Since I have joined this website I made a lot of friends and I made a lot of enemies I'm not here to please anybody I'm here for educational purposes and to help people out I do like you all but I think that you guys are taking this way out of context with your personal attacks. You ever get that feeling to stand up and say something when you feel like something's not right? Well I got that feeling now and I'm standing up and I want to know if you guys actually lift ?

I don't want to hear no excuses about my camera doesn't work or I only have a flip phone I want to see pictures or videos of you trash talkers I love all you guys but it's time for you to back up your bullshįt . Show everybody just how big and bad you are because if you're not putting in work these products are never going to work for you.
 
Invalid Link Removed I'm not saying that I have the biggest balls of them all I'm no AC/DC by any means but I will throw down first. Come on guys I'm waiting....
 
bighulksmash said:
Definitely not trying to throw gasoline on the Fire but I would like to know how come nobody else is talking about the competition's testosterone boosters?

There are many other products out of the market that have things in them that don't work and if you see anybody in those threads once they talk about it the thread gets locked and they get a red ticket.

I bet not one of you who have attacked Chuck or his product got a red ticket. In another thread a while back I got into a heated argument over a certain brands product not working for me guess what 2 minutes later I got a p.m. from admin telling me to knock it off or I was gone.

I have videos of me lifting on YouTube and pictures in my logs.

Do any of you guys who are trashing Chuck's products have pictures of yourselves or videos of you lifting?

This is not a personal attack I just think that I feel like I need proof that you guys actually lift. Having a cartoon Avatar or no picture doesn't tell anybody anything.

Since I have joined this website I made a lot of friends and I made a lot of enemies I'm not here to please anybody I'm here for educational purposes and to help people out I do like you all but I think that you guys are taking this way out of context with your personal attacks. You ever get that feeling to stand up and say something when you feel like something's not right? Well I got that feeling now and I'm standing up and I want to know if you guys actually lift ?

I don't want to hear no excuses about my camera doesn't work or I only have a flip phone I want to see pictures or videos of you trash talkers I love all you guys but it's time for you to back up your bullshįt . Show everybody just how big and bad you are because if you're not putting in work these products are never going to work for you.
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I'm not sure who exactly this is directed at, but I've said multiple times that I am not, and have not, in any way, said that Diesel products do not work. I apologize if I came off in that way, as I was just trying to point out some fallacious logic that was being thrown around ITT, and, in that spirit, how big/strong you are doesn't inherently make you credible or useless when it comes to supplement knowledge, as there are researchers who know this sort of thing better than the vast majority of us who probably don't lift, and some monsters who still swear by arginine and CEE.

Just to be clear, you want everyone to post pics/videos ITT to validate their credibility in regards to test boosters? What does that really prove?
 
muscleupcrohn said:
I'm not sure who exactly this is directed at, but I've said multiple times that I am not, and have not, in any way, said that Diesel products do not work. I apologize if I came off in that way, as I was just trying to point out some fallacious logic that was being thrown around ITT, and, in that spirit, how big/strong you are doesn't inherently make you credible or useless when it comes to supplement knowledge, as there are researchers who know this sort of thing better than the vast majority of us who probably don't lift, and some monsters who still swear by arginine and CEE.

Just to be clear, you want everyone to post pics/videos ITT to validate their credibility in regards to test boosters? What does that really prove?
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Its directed at the trash talkers . If your not a trash talker dont worry . What I'm saying is people that don't even lift shouldn't comment and trash-talk products that they would never use and or see any benefit from. I'm not attacking anybody personally but it's hard for me to sit here and watch a bunch of people trash products. I've been using it since it came out. It's always worked for me and I've never seen one negative review.

Pictures prove the person talking **** actually lifts.

Not the end of the world now I'll step back into the Shadows and watch the bıtches is bicker .
 
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