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1 Andro

InItForGainz said:
By the end of the third week I lost all definition of my abs, arms, shoulders and face. I felt heavy with water, acne was worse just as bad as it was when I was 14 and things just felt emotionally overwhelming. Felt like crap too, general ****ty run down feeling
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Oh, e2 for sure. Did you try an AI?
 
What do you guys think about running 1-andro solo for 6 weeks at 220mgs? It seems like it would be a simple cycle with little sides, but do you think the lethargy and libido issues would be too much?
 
210LBS said:
What do you guys think about running 1-andro solo for 6 weeks at 220mgs? It seems like it would be a simple cycle with little sides, but do you think the lethargy and libido issues would be too much?
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Just add DHEA as a test base.
 
ma70 said:
Just add DHEA as a test base.
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Yes I've heard a lot of people use that as a test base. I've never used dhea because I was concerned about the possible conversion to estrogen. I keep hearing that 1-andro doesn't convert to estrogen or DHT which is more ideal for sides. But if I'm going to go into PHs I'm going to have to grow a pair of balls at some point and just jump in....
 
210LBS said:
Yes I've heard a lot of people use that as a test base. I've never used dhea because I was concerned about the possible conversion to estrogen. I keep hearing that 1-andro doesn't convert to estrogen or DHT which is more ideal for sides. But if I'm going to go into PHs I'm going to have to grow a pair of balls at some point and just jump in....
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The estrogen conversion and side effects from DHEA Test Bases like BPS' Dermacrine and OL's Sup3r-DHEA are minimal, that's if any at all.
 
InItForGainz said:
The estrogen conversion and side effects from DHEA Test Bases like BPS' Dermacrine and OL's Sup3r-DHEA are minimal, that's if any at all.
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Wouldn't even use an otc ai while running a dhea product.
 
Afi140 said:
Wouldn't even use an otc ai while running a dhea product.
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Yup. There was a pretty good thread on AM awhile back that pointed out that DHEA's suppression was not only minimal, but it didn't even matter (it would reverse itself easily).
 
Afi140 said:
Wouldn't even use an otc ai while running a dhea product.
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I'd always run an OTC Anti Estrogen with any dark side anabolic compound, I'd also have a pharma grade AI on hand for emergencies top.
I wouldn't run a standard DHEA base solo anyway, don't really see the point tbf. I just use them as bases to help with lethargy, libido and mood whilst running something higher
 
GreenMachineX said:
What problems did the exemestane give? Low libido, dry joints, etc?
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My whole body just hurt after about day 5/6.
Elbows felt like they popped everytime I straightened my arms, shoulders and lower back were severely stif.
Libido and erections were non existent.
Couldn't sleep.
Eyes felt dry.
Constipation was an issue.

But that was at an emergency dose of 25mg per day. I've used Exem twice since then at 6.25mg during PCT and I've been fine.
 
InItForGainz said:
My whole body just hurt after about day 5/6.
Elbows felt like they popped everytime I straightened my arms, shoulders and lower back were severely stif.
Libido and erections were non existent.
Couldn't sleep.
Eyes felt dry.
Constipation was an issue.

But that was at an emergency dose of 25mg per day. I've used Exem twice since then at 6.25mg during PCT and I've been fine.
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Oh ok.
 
Anyone ever try dosing higher than 330mg for the first couple weeks to induce suppression quickly to max8m8ze benefits? Or does it not work like that lol
 
NewAgeMayan said:
Can be a good idea to start conservatively with a new compound, and especially a hormonal. Keep your options open though, if you enjoy 1andro youll want to bump up your dose. Seen it happen many a-time.
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Totally agree! Did that with Epi andro myself. Twice lol. Starting low is a good idea in general. Gives your system time. Not that it's real harsh but can't hurt to play it easy for the first week or so.
 
NewAgeMayan said:
Good one. Id read around the forum for ideas too, but definitely consider running natty stuff after pct to keep the ball rolling.

Or1gin, follidrone2, tr1umph, xgels, etc.
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He should grab an AI if possible and running 4, might not need it but arm1care isn't as strong as other stuff. I had an issue with 4 at a higher dose.
 
210LBS said:
Yeah that sounds like a good middle ground. My PCT doses recommended to me were 50 and 40... and some people recommended no SERM so advice is really all over the place.
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50 is high. I mean if you really need to I've seen a lot of guys say to do 25 Clom and throw a bit of Nolv in there rather than go to 50.
 
330 mg for 7-8 weeks
500-1000 mg of epiandro

And you will be killing it. Epiandro is sick for strength gains and preworkout, 1-andro is just great and all around versatile
 
Yanks said:
330 mg for 7-8 weeks
500-1000 mg of epiandro

And you will be killing it. Epiandro is sick for strength gains and preworkout, 1-andro is just great and all around versatile
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1000 of Epi actually made me really really stiff and had a lot of cramping. I dropped it to 750 and ran it there. Yanks is totally right, great for strength and preworkout. If you run into cramping just dial it back a tab to 750. I haven't seen other folks report that but just in case you experience it =)
 
sespress said:
1000 of Epi actually made me really really stiff and had a lot of cramping. I dropped it to 750 and ran it there. Yanks is totally right, great for strength and preworkout. If you run into cramping just dial it back a tab to 750. I haven't seen other folks report that but just in case you experience it =)
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Oh that's too bad man! I never had that thank god, Epiandro though really is a great mild compound and you wouldn't really have to worry about an AI with that. Can prob run 4 weeks of super pct or some otc and 3 weeks of SERM
 
Bodybeast said:
Anyone ever try dosing higher than 330mg for the first couple weeks to induce suppression quickly to max8m8ze benefits? Or does it not work like that lol
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It doesn't work that way, supression is a time thing. You can increase your dose if you want to but just be mindful that higher doses increase your risk/severity of sides.
 
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Yanks said:
Oh that's too bad man! I never had that thank god, Epiandro though really is a great mild compound and you wouldn't really have to worry about an AI with that. Can prob run 4 weeks of super pct or some otc and 3 weeks of SERM
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Yeah I dunno what was going on but dialing back helped. I think, honestly, the increase in strength had to do something to the muscles that translated into that. My buddy thinks I'm crazy and that I just lifted way too hard because of that increase. He could be right and dosing down again could have had nothing else to do with it and it was then coincidence that the cramping stopped. Who knows! (I still think I'm right though, don't believe much in coincidence) =)
 
sespress said:
1000 of Epi actually made me really really stiff and had a lot of cramping. I dropped it to 750 and ran it there. Yanks is totally right, great for strength and preworkout. If you run into cramping just dial it back a tab to 750. I haven't seen other folks report that but just in case you experience it =)
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Horrible cramping, yes.
 
Anyone get headaches when they wake up while on 1Andro? I upped my dose to 440mg yesterday and today i have a headache and feel high and weird in the head
 
Bodybeast said:
Anyone get headaches when they wake up while on 1Andro? I upped my dose to 440mg yesterday and today i have a headache and feel high and weird in the head
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Sounds weird.:
Do You have a blood pressure cuff &/or pulse meter?

You might cut it back down to ( was the previous dose 330?) a lower amount. I've had a "body buzz" but I put that in quotes because it wasn't actually intoxicating but i would also describe the sensation as weird.

Conversely:. You might also see if the next dose makes it come back immediately, if the sides have ended.

I don't know what you should do but I err on the side of safety. If you can go to the pharmacy or supermarket wherever there's a BP machine use it. Try to get your pulse too. If they're jacked up you might need to back off just to rule it out.
 
Who said an "OTC PCT" was acceptable for 8 weeks of 1-Andro at 330mg? Cuz UncleSARM didn't even recover back to baseline with an "OTC PCT" for Ostarine. Use a SERM or stick to your X-Gels and ArA would be my advice. "Hmmm, I'm going to take this synthetic, chemical DRUG to make me some gainzzzzz.... but I really am afraid of Clomid". Anyone who said an "OTC PCT" is fine (and lets face it, they're basically just test boosters by a different name) - probably sells them.

Use a Test base (or at least have it handy) for 1-Andro. TD DHEA, 4-AD, and/or Epiandro.

Don't be afraid of Estrogen - your heart will thank you. But *do* have Aromasin on hand for any emergencies.

If you get hit by lethargy and/or breast tissue issues, you are going to be one sad mf'er trying to order that sh&t on a Friday night- when Monday is a holiday.

This arena is even more expensive than the natty arena - you have to pay to play, and use your head when it comes to your health (and balls).
 
The_Old_Guy said:
Who said an "OTC PCT" was acceptable for 8 weeks of 1-Andro at 330mg? Cuz UncleSARM didn't even recover back to baseline with an "OTC PCT" for Ostarine. Use a SERM or stick to your X-Gels and ArA would be my advice. "Hmmm, I'm going to take this synthetic, chemical DRUG to make me some gainzzzzz.... but I really am afraid of Clomid". Anyone who said an "OTC PCT" is fine (and lets face it, they're basically just test boosters by a different name) - probably sells them.

Use a Test base (or at least have it handy) for 1-Andro. TD DHEA, 4-AD, and/or Epiandro.

Don't be afraid of Estrogen - your heart will thank you. But *do* have Aromasin on hand for any emergencies.

If you get hit by lethargy and/or breast tissue issues, you are going to be one sad mf'er trying to order that sh&t on a Friday night- when Monday is a holiday.

This arena is even more expensive than the natty arena - you have to pay to play, and use your head when it comes to your health (and balls).
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Word.
 
sespress said:
Sounds weird.:
Do You have a blood pressure cuff &/or pulse meter?

You might cut it back down to ( was the previous dose 330?) a lower amount. I've had a "body buzz" but I put that in quotes because it wasn't actually intoxicating but i would also describe the sensation as weird.

Conversely:. You might also see if the next dose makes it come back immediately, if the sides have ended.

I don't know what you should do but I err on the side of safety. If you can go to the pharmacy or supermarket wherever there's a BP machine use it. Try to get your pulse too. If they're jacked up you might need to back off just to rule it out.
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I think i might cut it back to 330mg depending on how i feel tomorrow morning. I may try 440mg again tonight though and see how it goes. Thanks for the advice!!!
 
Bodybeast said:
I'm experiencing lethargy on 1andro. I have M1D Andro by LG Sciences... stupid purchase... but i think i need either 4 or epi to combat this. The oral dhea is weak and it's kicking in now
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Oral is horrible. Pointless if your no over 30. You need Sup3r-DHEA or another DHEA cream. But get some epi or 4-andro. If your bulking, 4-andro. If cutting, epiandro.
 
Brandinooooo said:
Nope it converts to DHT. Cannot aromatize.
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But.... Just have one around.

I was reading brandinooooo after something Yates wrote, anything that supresses can cause other things to go strange and gyno could still happen. I think the chances are probably slim cause you don't hear more about it but you can google gyno and Ostarine and see some reports of it. And it's like a condom: I'd rather have one and not need it then need it and not have it ?.
 
Brandinooooo said:
Oral is horrible. Pointless if your no over 30. You need Sup3r-DHEA or another DHEA cream. But get some epi or 4-andro. If your bulking, 4-andro. If cutting, epiandro.
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Epi is bada$#! Energy wise I really enjoyed it. I was actually taking 4 andro with Epi andro so I can't say if it was all over the other but I will say that when i notched up the Epi those effects increased. Dermal products i hear great things about too. Brandinooooo knows.
 
Bodybeast said:
So I decided on 4andro... at 330mg what AI do you think i should use
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Doubtful you'll need an ai but like The_Old_Guy said, just have some aromasin on hand.
sespress said:
I went to 1000, but quickly backed it off to 750. Only for the final week though.
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Lol why'd you back off? Too much aggression?
sespress said:
Zomg. This thing posted like a bunch of copies of my post lol
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Lol
Bodybeast said:
Thanks lol. What would i notice in my chest shape/feel? Gyno is one thing i just dont know how to determine
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Your nipples will get itchy and sore. You'll know.
The_Old_Guy said:
None, but have Aromasin in the cabinet for any emergencies. Don't pinch your nipples 17 times a day.
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Lol yeah don't mess with them. It'll just make it worse.
 
Brandinooooo said:
Doubtful you'll need an ai but like The_Old_Guy said, just have some aromasin on hand.

Lol why'd you back off? Too much aggression?

Lol

Your nipples will get itchy and sore. You'll know.

Lol yeah don't mess with them. It'll just make it worse.
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Oh no I got some nasty muscle cramps. Backed off to 750 and it went away.
 
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