Donald Trump running for president

ax1 said:
I dont give a F' about the back vote. That being said I dont give a F' about the white vote either. This is so outrageously stupid.

We shouldnt be voting based on who cares about black people, or who cares about white people, or hispanics.

We shouldnt have politicians trying to reach out for the black vote, the hispanic vote, the white vote....etc...both Dump and Hitlery are guilty of this.

The only think we should have are politicians reaching out to the American voter, no color no race other than being American and the promise to protect our liberties and freedoms as Americans.

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I totally agree. I really wish race weren't an issue. However, it is :(
 
And, of course, there's this:

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Voter fraud by Trump supporters. Maybe I was wrong about voter fraud ;)
 
In all my life I've never see so many white people cry racist. It's only two but it sounds like thousands...

The awareness has me feeling so ashamed. Please make it stop.
 
The race relations in the united states have gone back to the 50s. Blame the media who are controlled by the government.

It's a pre calculated move to weaken us as a whole.

"When the people fear the government there is tyranny. When the government fears the people, there is liberty." - Thomas Jefferson
 
cubsfan815 said:
The race relations in the united states have gone back to the 50s. Blame the media who are controlled by the government.

It's a pre calculated move to weaken us as a whole.

"When the people fear the government there is tyranny. When the government fears the people, there is liberty." - Thomas Jefferson
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I don't think it's that complex, although some people would want you to believe this (ie: conservatives). Trump tore the band-aid off racism in the US and fueled the fire so to speak. We've never had a candidate like him ever, this election year is unique.
 
cubsfan815 said:
The race relations in the united states have gone back to the 50s. Blame the media who are controlled by the government.

It's a pre calculated move to weaken us as a whole.

"When the people fear the government there is tyranny. When the government fears the people, there is liberty." - Thomas Jefferson
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Word ^^^^ People dont realize special interests with corrupt elements of our government are playing tricks with everyone to their advantage.
 
Gutterpump said:
I don't think it's that complex, although some people would want you to believe this (ie: conservatives). Trump tore the band-aid off racism in the US and fueled the fire so to speak. We've never had a candidate like him ever, this election year is unique.
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As someone who is not a Dump supporter I dont see evidence of this. The only thing I saw is the media and opposing politics using the oldest tricks in the books to their advantage.
 
Gutterpump said:
I don't think it's that complex, although some people would want you to believe this (ie: conservatives). Trump tore the band-aid off racism in the US and fueled the fire so to speak. We've never had a candidate like him ever, this election year is unique.
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How long do you walk around wearing the bandaid of honor before it's supposed to come off? Would liberals prefer to give racism victims awards to wear for life like a Purple Heart or a Medal of Honor. Playing victim gets old.

Maybe conservative racists should wear a scarlet letter to shame them.
 
ax1 said:
As someone who is not a Dump supporter I dont see evidence of this. .
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And I'm not even a democrat but it's been super obvious that he did this, and basically anything he could possibly do, to get any type of support possible for his douchebag self. Conservatives call it being "lose tongued" and saying what's "on his mind" and "telling it like it is"
 
Gutterpump said:
And I'm not even a democrat but it's been super obvious that he did this, and basically anything he could possibly do, to get any type of support possible for his douchebag self. Conservatives call it being "lose tongued" and saying what's "on his mind" and "telling it like it is"
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Like a troll? Saying something ambiguous or inuendo to get a rise.

Then the media spins it for weeks on end and getting hundreds of millions of dollars worth a free advertisement across every network. Publicity in any form is publicity. And free at that. It's brilliant. Sort of like working the tax code and paying as little as you possibly have to...just like every other red blooded American billionaire does. Brilliant.
 
David Dunn said:
Like a troll? Saying something ambiguous or inuendo to get a rise.

Then the media spins it for weeks on end and getting hundreds of millions of dollars worth a free advertisement across every network. Publicity in any form is publicity. And free at that. It's brilliant. Sort of like working the tax code and paying as little as you possibly have to...just like every other red blooded American billionaire does. Brilliant.
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I'm not saying the media isn't milking this election year. It's in their own best interest to do so $$.
But this wouldn't be happening if Trump wasn't saying/doing these things. It's been far more than innuendo at this point too.
 
When a black person gets escorted out of one of his 'rallies' and gets beat on randomly as they walk past people peacefully, this is not "trolling the media". He fueled this behaviour, he told people to get violent.
 
Gutterpump said:
When a black person gets escorted out of one of his 'rallies' and gets beat on randomly as they walk past people peacefully, this is not "trolling the media". He fueled this behaviour, he told people to get violent.
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Was he one of the people on the DNC payroll?
 
ax1 said:
Was he one of the people on the DNC payroll?
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Who knows and who cares? I've seen video of a woman getting beat on by men, I've seen lots of video, many people who were not being violent at all, getting attacked after Trump asked them to! Who cares if they were speaking up or on a payroll to speak up even? It's perfectly legal to peacefully protest. It's not legal to assault people, not should it be legal for Trump to be calling out for assault.
 
Gutterpump said:
Who knows and who cares? I've seen video of a woman getting beat on by men, I've seen lots of video, many people who were not being violent at all, getting attacked after Trump asked them to! Who cares if they were speaking up or on a payroll to speak up even? It's perfectly legal to peacefully protest. It's not legal to assault people, not should it be legal for Trump to be calling out for assault.
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If Dump said that then its wrong, but for the DNC to send people and use them to set up these situations is also wrong.

Both Democratic and Republicans historically have supported the harassment, assault and assassination of peaceful protestors....usually by undercover agents and/or police. Dump just said something stupid, caught up in the moment which isnt an excuse but its a big difference.
 
Gutterpump said:
[video=youtube;qyTi9vK2J8Y]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyTi9vK2J8Y[/video]
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I wonder why they dont show in your video leftist's from both Bernie and Hitlery supporters attacking innocent and peacful Dump supporters including this homeless person.

 
ax1 said:
If Dump said that then its wrong, but for the DNC to send people and use them to set up these situations is also wrong.

Both Democratic and Republicans historically have supported the harassment, assault and assassination of peaceful protestors....usually by undercover agents and/or police. Dump just said something stupid, caught up in the moment which isnt an excuse but its a big difference.
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Ax1, you're deflecting and changing the topic as usual. Trump didn't just "get caught up and say something stupid" here. This is his typical behaviour. Big difference.
 
Gutterpump said:
No lies here, it's all truths

Comey made a baseless announcement, purely based on speculation, and did so blatantly because he's a conservative.
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So you've ignored everything else that's come out since then showing Huma and Weiner had shared devices with 650,000 emails on it they got a warrant for. And the tidbit about Huma regularly forwarding state Dept emails to her personal yahoo email so she could print them at home. HUMA has been Hillary's right hand minion for years. There is plenty of reasonable assumption to be made that there could be state dept emails on their devices, which would, or could, link to Hillary.

Last I checked, the Hatch Act doesn't say anything about FBI or other federal investigators looking into candidate's illegal activity. AND considering Harry Reid lied in 2012 about Romney not paying taxes from the Senate floor, which turned into a huge political fallout for him. That is using your political power to influence that election. The head of the FBI saying we are going to see if there are any other ties to Hilary on these devices we just confiscated from her right hand minion, isn't a political move. ESPECIALLY considering the entire history of the Clinton's corrupt and illegal activity.
 
Gutterpump said:
When a black person gets escorted out of one of his 'rallies' and gets beat on randomly as they walk past people peacefully, this is not "trolling the media". He fueled this behaviour, he told people to get violent.
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Which lib site did you read this on?
So when black people are payed by the DNC and Soros to show up at Trump's rallies and incite violence, there's nothing to see here.
 
Gutterpump said:
Did Hillary call for that violence? No she didn't. Using your own words, there is a "big difference"
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Yes, war in Iraq, Syria, Lybia, Iran, and various other pockets around the world. When she calls for violence it involves mass murder. Im glad you agree with me there is a big difference.

Hitlery is smart experienced polition. She presents herself in a more mature cordial manner, but she is just a wolf hiding in sheeps skin. Her way to play the game is covert attacks such as sending infiltrators to Dump's events to stir the pot and increase instances of bad events and have violence.

Now Dump may have wolf's skin, but I dunno whats under that skin right now.
 
Gutterpump said:
[video=youtube;qyTi9vK2J8Y]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyTi9vK2J8Y[/video]
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the problem that I have with these sort of (doctured over dubbing) videos is that you use the bottom of the barrel haters and believe it a fair represents of the whole.

You don't like it and disputed if it's used to generalize you. No different.

The condition of the human heart is depraved...yours mine theirs. Your stupid is no better than my stupid. :)
 
Let's take a break from going in circles with these two clowns and focus on Gary Johnson's heart attack caused by marijuana:
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muscleupcrohn said:
Let's take a break from going in circles with these two clowns and focus on Gary Johnson's heart attack caused by marijuana:
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He is one creepy dude, but based on my understanding of pot that was certainly a good one after that women was spewing that nonsense.
 
ax1 said:
He is one creepy dude, but based on my understanding of pot that was certainly a good one after that women was spewing that nonsense.
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That woman didn't even make sense. "A one in five chance?" I think she meant to say 1/5 (20%) higher chance of having a heart attack, since we all know that you don't have a 1 in 5 chance of having a heart attack when you smoke weed. He is a sort of creepy, and very weird dude, but isn't creepy/weird (Johnson) better than corrupt/evil (Hillary) or crazy/sexist (Trump)? I know he doesn't have a chance this election, but he's a hell of a lot better than Trump or Clinton. He (and the libertarian party) support individual freedom and rights far more than Trump or Clinton do.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
That woman didn't even make sense. "A one in five chance?" I think she meant to say 1/5 (20%) higher chance of having a heart attack, since we all know that you don't have a 1 in 5 chance of having a heart attack when you smoke weed. He is a sort of creepy, and very weird dude, but isn't creepy/weird (Johnson) better than corrupt/evil (Hillary) or crazy/sexist (Trump)? I know he doesn't have a chance this election, but he's a hell of a lot better than Trump or Clinton. He (and the libertarian party) support individual freedom and rights far more than Trump or Clinton do.
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A while back I dropped my support for him, I just think he is part of the infiltrated sect of the Libertarian party. I consider him the lesser of evils compared of the other two though but I cant support him. I just found out the other day even Ron Paul would pick Jill Stein over Gary Johnson at least based on foreign policy as the one positive, so that says something too along the lines of what Im thinking.
 
ax1 said:
A while back I dropped my support for him, I just think he is part of the infiltrated sect of the Libertarian party. I consider him the lesser of evils compared of the other two though but I cant support him. I just found out the other day even Ron Paul would pick Jill Stein over Gary Johnson at least based on foreign policy as the one positive, so that says something too along the lines of what Im thinking.
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Ah here it is...beginning of October but I just saw this the other day.

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ax1 said:
A while back I dropped my support for him, I just think he is part of the infiltrated sect of the Libertarian party. I consider him the lesser of evils compared of the other two though but I cant support him. I just found out the other day even Ron Paul would pick Jill Stein over Gary Johnson at least based on foreign policy as the one positive, so that says something too along the lines of what Im thinking.
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Yeah, he's definitely no Ron Paul, but perhaps even showing some support for the party will help them be taken more seriously in the future, and I'm more hopeful for a legitimate libertarian party (or perhaps a reformed Republican Party with more libertarian leaning tendencies) than a legitimate Green Party (Stein). There are lots of things about Stein I don't agree with, but she's also better than Trump or Hillary, but so is almost literally anyone else. I don't like Sanders, but I'd pick him over Trump/Clinton as well, since he probably wouldn't get a lot of what he wants done, and isn't evil or crazy.
 
David Dunn said:
the problem that I have with these sort of (doctured over dubbing) videos is that you use the bottom of the barrel haters and believe it a fair represents of the whole.

You don't like it and disputed if it's used to generalize you. No different.

The condition of the human heart is depraved...yours mine theirs. Your stupid is no better than my stupid. :)
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I don't find it a representation of the whole nor did I say that about his supporters. It's an obvious representation of how Trump called for and got violence, on multiple occasions. He should be arrested for this, and it should disqualify him for presidency. The electoral process here is a joke though.
 
Gutterpump said:
I don't find it a representation of the whole nor did I say that about his supporters. It's an obvious representation of how Trump called for and got violence, on multiple occasions. He should be arrested for this, and it should disqualify him for presidency. The electoral process here is a joke though.
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both candidates are worthless. One of them you've got evidence all over social media. The other is hiding and destroying evidence. Neither is suited for the office. If you want to spend your time trying to minimize the degrees of evil of one or the other or sensationalize the evil of one or the other snd it makes you feel better enjoy yourself. These conversations and disagreements are fruitless .
 
David Dunn said:
both candidates are worthless. One of them you've got evidence all over social media. The other is hiding and destroying evidence. Neither is suited for the office. If you want to spend your time trying to minimize the degrees of evil of one or the other or sensationalize the evil of one or the other snd it makes you feel better enjoy yourself. These conversations and disagreements are fruitless .
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I've seen so-called militias becoming more active in case Trump loses the election, and the videos of these people being called to action are far from representative of our country's best.

Game 7 of the World Series is on. I'm going to try and forget for a few hours this election is our current reality.
 
ax1 said:
A while back I dropped my support for him, I just think he is part of the infiltrated sect of the Libertarian party. I consider him the lesser of evils compared of the other two though but I cant support him. I just found out the other day even Ron Paul would pick Jill Stein over Gary Johnson at least based on foreign policy as the one positive, so that says something too along the lines of what Im thinking.
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Ron Paul endorsed Jill Stein, Jill Stein endorses Trump..... :)
 
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