Donald Trump running for president

Wow...I lost my respect for this dude the past 8 years, but I didnt know he is supporting Dump.

Now that is one ultra Liberal supporting Dump showing more evidence that Dump is more Liberal that phony genocidilist Lib Hitlery.

 
ax1 said:
Wow...I lost my respect for this dude the past 8 years, but I didnt know he is supporting Dump.

Now that is one ultra Liberal supporting Dump showing more evidence that Dump is more Liberal that phony genocidilist Lib Hitlery.

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A lot of people are actually voting for him, even self proclaimed libertarians and anarcho-capitalists.
 
CJNator said:
A lot of people are actually voting for him, even self proclaimed libertarians and anarcho-capitalists.
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I still cant do it but not for the "mainstream" reasons often debated on here. I can understand why people would do it and I consider him more of a crapshoot and the lesser of the two evils but I must skip the Presidential part of voting in a few weeks. He is just WAY to big government for me. I guess Id rather sink with the ship than sell my soul, lol.
 
Gutterpump said:
I hear you, but I am definitely not speaking about progress for it's own sake. I am speaking about being up with the times, in touch with the people and with our true needs. And I'm also speaking about personal liberties and freedom, not constant restrictions. My idea of proper governing isn't to live in the past nor is it to over-govern.
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Neither party truly cares about personal liberties and freedom; this is the main reason I like some libertarian beliefs (they support individual freedoms). Think about Bush (Rep) and the Patriot Act, which spies on citizens. Now think of the NSA spying on citizens under Obama (Dem). It's largely just a continuation of the Patriot Act; same end result with different justification to the public. Gun control is also another issue, with a lot of Democrats wanting to essentially outlaw modern guns (anything semi-auto, >10 round mags, pistol grips, etc). Granted, Democrats support more freedom in regards to gay marriage and pot, but libertarians support the legalization of more than just pot (steroids too I suppose), and if gay marriage (or civil union; keep religion out of "marriage" entirely in the eye of the law) is allowed, then so should polygamy, no? An overly simplified thing I like to say about libertarian philosophy is it's a combination of the two big parties; you can smoke pot and have guns. In more accurate terms, do whatever you want as long as you don't infringe on the rights of someone else to do the same.
 
ax1 said:
Wow...I lost my respect for this dude the past 8 years, but I didnt know he is supporting Dump.

Now that is one ultra Liberal supporting Dump showing more evidence that Dump is more Liberal that phony genocidilist Lib Hitlery.

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Pretty sure he isn't voting for Trump.
 
ax1 said:
I still cant do it but not for the "mainstream" reasons often debated on here. I can understand why people would do it and I consider him more of a crapshoot and the lesser of the two evils but I must skip the Presidential part of voting in a few weeks. He is just WAY to big government for me. I guess Id rather sink with the ship than sell my soul, lol.
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I'm with you 100%, while this ship sinks I'm getting my raft ready though !
 
Misfit28 said:
Pretty sure he isn't voting for Trump.
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Oh really???? Why does he say this then?

“Trump’s election is going to be the biggest f**k you recorded in human history, and it will feel good.”

-Michael Moore
 
Misfit28 said:
Pretty sure he isn't voting for Trump.
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Maybe he read the new wikileaks email where in Hitleries private email she admittingly wanted Obamacare to fail the entire time so she can implement the next phase of the system.

But anyways from his website and it seems you ARE correct. And damn, the reasons he gives he has hit a all time low for me.

The Hillary Problem. Can we speak honestly, just among ourselves? And before we do, let me state, I actually like Hillary – a lot – and I think she has been given a bad rap she doesn’t deserve. But her vote for the Iraq War made me promise her that I would never vote for her again. To date, I haven’t broken that promise. For the sake of preventing a proto-fascist from becoming our commander-in-chief, I’m breaking that promise. I sadly believe Clinton will find a way to get us in some kind of military action. She’s a hawk, to the right of Obama. But Trump’s psycho finger will be on The Button, and that is that. Done and done.
 
ax1 said:
Maybe he read the new wikileaks email where in Hitleries private email she admittingly wanted Obamacare to fail the entire time so she can implement the next phase of the system.

But anyways from his website and it seems you ARE correct. And damn, the reasons he gives he has hit a all time low for me.

The Hillary Problem. Can we speak honestly, just among ourselves? And before we do, let me state, I actually like Hillary – a lot – and I think she has been given a bad rap she doesn’t deserve. But her vote for the Iraq War made me promise her that I would never vote for her again. To date, I haven’t broken that promise. For the sake of preventing a proto-fascist from becoming our commander-in-chief, I’m breaking that promise. I sadly believe Clinton will find a way to get us in some kind of military action. She’s a hawk, to the right of Obama. But Trump’s psycho finger will be on The Button, and that is that. Done and done.
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Read this and see if it looks pro-Trump to you.
 
Misfit28 said:
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Read this and see if it looks pro-Trump to you.
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Yeah thats where I got that quote from.

I guess he hasnt changed, he keeps supporting war mongering bloody death dictators and is a complete hypocrite for everything he stands for. At least his armed bodyguards still protect him.
 
ax1 said:
Yeah thats where I got that quote from.

I guess he hasnt changed, he keeps supporting war mongering bloody death dictators and is a complete hypocrite for everything he stands for. At least his armed bodyguards still protect him.
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None of that says he's voting for him, he's just reading the writing on the wall.
 
youngandfree said:
None of that says he's voting for him, he's just reading the writing on the wall.
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This is the first thing he says on that page:

"I am sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but I gave it to you straight last summer when I told you that Donald Trump would be the Republican nominee for president. And now I have even more awful, depressing news for you: Donald J. Trump is going to win in November. This wretched, ignorant, dangerous part-time clown and full time sociopath is going to be our next president. President Trump. Go ahead and say the words, ‘cause you’ll be saying them for the next four years: “PRESIDENT TRUMP.”

I'm pretty sure the highlighted words (my emphasis) tell his feeling s about Trump.

However, I think he is very wrong about Trump's election ;)
 
youngandfree said:
None of that says he's voting for him, he's just reading the writing on the wall.
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He said he is breaking his promise to never vote for her from the quote (that I forgot to quote, lol) above from the same webpage misfit provided.
 
David Dunn said:
Over the last 4 years our government has been far too concerned with gay, cross gender, abortion and illegals immigrant issues of the raging few (their voter base) and lost focus on the economy, national security, health care, foreign policy, national debt and the primary issues of the silent majority. That kind of change is self serving and irresponsible.
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No, the issue is that the "silent majority" are quickly becoming the minority. That scares them.

They are out of touch with the current issues that face the world, and don't want to change. They want the "good old days", and those times are gone. At least that's my opinion on the matter ;)
 
Misfit28 said:
No, the issue is that the "silent majority" are quickly becoming the minority. That scares them.

They are out of touch with the current issues that face the world, and don't want to change. They want the "good old days", and those times are gone. At least that's my opinion on the matter ;)
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Better back up them opinions with facts and pre-emptive counter defensive talking points about the Dems!! lol
 
Misfit28 said:
No, the issue is that the "silent majority" are quickly becoming the minority. That scares them.

They are out of touch with the current issues that face the world, and don't want to change. They want the "good old days", and those times are gone. At least that's my opinion on the matter ;)
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Because they are becoming a minority's does that mean that those "good old days" values of national security, national debt, foreign affairs, the economy are not worth the attention.

Using that logic then it sounds like our country is dependent upon gays ability to marry, cross genders being allowed to identify as whatever gender they chose and increasing illegal immigration is the key to this country's security and prosperity? Now that scares me. Curious to know how homosexual marriage, cross gender identification, legal abortion and more illegals can improve our economy and national security.
 
Anyone see this whole fiasco today with the California National Guard asking vets to pay back their enlistment bonuses (with interest) that were supposedly 'issued in error'? What a f&*ing sad sad sad joke. Seriously f&*ked of them to do....
 
David Dunn said:
national security, national debt, foreign affairs, the economy
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These are all great things (to be concerned about). And this is why I kinda support the Libertarians. I am all about being fiscally conservative. It's the rest that sucks about the GOP. If we can get a party that's fiscally conservative but socially liberal, while giving us more freedom, then we're talking.
 
Gutterpump said:
These are all great things. And this is why I kinda support the Libertarians. I am all about being fiscally conservative. It's the rest that sucks about the GOP. If we can get a party that's fiscally conservative but socially liberal, while giving us more freedom, then we're talking.
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We just need to stop having political parties and ban them all from politics and office. They all will get compromised sooner or later just like the libertarians have been with Gary Johnson and clique.
 
Gutterpump said:
That will never happen though
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We had a president once before without any party affiliation, it's not impossible. I just need to keep educating all you bodybuilders on here and we will make "progress." Really it's all in the infowars.
 
Gutterpump said:
That will never happen though
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Old story by now, lol but Im home and want to add.

Just in 92 when you will still in your Canadian diapers, Ross Perot had 18% (Clinton 43, Bush 37 not accounting for rigging) of the popular vote as an independent. In 96 the movement grew bigger, but only after the Bush's started threatening the life of his children he dropped out at the peak of his candidacy.

He had no backing from a major political party in 92 but he was part of the "Reform Party" in 96, and Ill add its extremely possible for an independent to win especially now with the internet and alternative media age. Lets not forget independents that drop in out of congress, senate.

Its a long shot yeah, but 100% possible. Total miss out opportunity this year for Bernie who is now an independent again.
 
CJNator said:
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Is it possible she threw it in the trash because it was the tag office? From what I could see of Georgia voter registration, you can take the form in person to the election commission or where you get your license. From this website, they don't do driver's license stuff there: Invalid Link Removed

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Granted, she shouldn't have just thrown it in the trash, but the lady was kind of an idiot for taking it to the wrong place, LOL.
 
David Dunn said:
Because they are becoming a minority's does that mean that those "good old days" values of national security, national debt, foreign affairs, the economy are not worth the attention.

Using that logic then it sounds like our country is dependent upon gays ability to marry, cross genders being allowed to identify as whatever gender they chose and increasing illegal immigration is the key to this country's security and prosperity? Now that scares me. Curious to know how homosexual marriage, cross gender identification, legal abortion and more illegals can improve our economy and national security.
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LOL, I didn't say that. Jeez, talk about blowing things out of proportion.

Did I say anything about security and prosperity? I didn't say they can improve our security and prosperity. It just seems to me that there are other issues besides those things. Older white voters are complacent on those things because they already have those rights. Just because it isn't important to you doesn't mean it isn't important to someone.
 
Misfit28 said:
LOL, I didn't say that. Jeez, talk about blowing things out of proportion.

Did I say anything about security and prosperity? I didn't say they can improve our security and prosperity. It just seems to me that there are other issues besides those things. Older white voters are complacent on those things because they already have those rights. Just because it isn't important to you doesn't mean it isn't important to someone.
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im not blowing it out of proportion nor am I minimizing those other rights. Point is we have lost site of the "legacy values" of prosperity and security in light of these new rights. We gained personal liberties and lost national and international potency.

You are quick to toss around the "older white" with a negative connotation and to categorize.

You too will soon be an outdated "older white" and will wonder why we we have the "good old days" back when gays could marry and men could pee standing up in the woman's bathrooms and Spanish was the national language.
 
David Dunn said:
im not blowing it out of proportion nor am I minimizing those other rights. Point is we have lost site of the "legacy values" of prosperity and security in light of these new rights. We gained personal liberties and lost national and international potency.

You are quick to toss around the "older white" with a negative connotation and to categorize.

You too will soon be outdated and will wonder why can't we have the "good old days" back when gays could marry and men could pee standing up in the woman's bathrooms and Spanish was the national language.
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LMAO. OK. Paranoid much?

Seems to me that older white voters are the ones decrying these changes the most, just like the ones who had issue with women and African Americans being given the right to vote.

So allowing gays to marry, giving illegals a pathway to legitimate citizenship, legal abortion (which has been in place since 1973) and gender identification are threatening the very fabric of American prosperity and security?
 
Misfit28 said:
LOL, I didn't say that. Jeez, talk about blowing things out of proportion.

Did I say anything about security and prosperity? I didn't say they can improve our security and prosperity. It just seems to me that there are other issues besides those things. Older white voters are complacent on those things because they already have those rights. Just because it isn't important to you doesn't mean it isn't important to someone.
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Why do you always think you know what older white voters want and that people of other ethnicity dont want the same thing?

We are all American first.
 
Misfit28 said:
Is it possible she threw it in the trash because it was the tag office? From what I could see of Georgia voter registration, you can take the form in person to the election commission or where you get your license. From this website, they don't do driver's license stuff there: Invalid Link Removed

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Granted, she shouldn't have just thrown it in the trash, but the lady was kind of an idiot for taking it to the wrong place, LOL.
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Technicalities like that can create a loophole for a rigged election. I'm pretty sure Hilary supporters have done the same but when their is a bias one can make a good assumption she made it aware to them. Obviously these are all assumptions but fact so their is room for a legitimate conspiracy.
 
ax1 said:
Why do you always think you know what older white voters want and that people of other ethnicity dont want the same thing?

We are all American first.
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I said "it just seems". That means it is my opinion. You are free to disagree, as is your right as an American.

Why do you always feel the need to correct my opinions? Same difference.
 
CJNator said:
Technicalities like that can create a loophole for a rigged election. I'm pretty sure Hilary supporters have done the same but when their is a bias one can make a good assumption she made it aware to them. Obviously these are all assumptions but fact so their is room for a legitimate conspiracy.
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It's not a loophole. There is a correct and incorrect place where you need to send/take your voter registration. I don't care if she is a Trump supporter, Hillary supporter or whoever.

It's information that is obviously readily accessible. I'm from TN and found out how to register in GA with just a few keystrokes.
 
Misfit28 said:
I said "it just seems". That means it is my opinion. You are free to disagree, as is your right as an American.

Why do you always feel the need to correct my opinions? Same difference.
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The color of peoples skin has 0% effect on political ideology. 0%!
 
Misfit28 said:
LMAO. OK. Paranoid much?

Seems to me that older white voters are the ones decrying these changes the most, just like the ones who had issue with women and African Americans being given the right to vote.

So allowing gays to marry, giving illegals a pathway to legitimate citizenship, legal abortion (which has been in place since 1973) and gender identification are threatening the very fabric of American prosperity and security?
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That's only because as government grows they force equality which takes away from private property rights for some, transitioning from a traditionalist culture to a Marxist culture. The reason no one will get their way is because they rely on a 3rd party to implement a way of being which creates reactionary groups that create new extremes towards other cultures.
 
CJNator said:
That's only because as government grows they force equality which takes away from private property rights for some, transitioning from a traditionalist culture to a Marxist culture. The reason no one will get their way is because they rely on a 3rd party to implement a way of being which creates reactionary groups that create new extremes towards other cultures.
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So, you think without government involvement that equality will just happen? Whites have been in control of this country from the founding of the country. You think they just willingly relinquish this power?

The government/country wasn't even that big when the 15th and 19th amendments were ratified. There was fierce opposition to both.
 
Misfit28 said:
Yeah, I'm a prime example of that :)
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But seriously, instead of debating the very issues you disagree with you blame people's skin color and "angry" behavior and make it about race as the primary influence instead of the actual issues.

Which is up to you of course, but yeah certainly I will always call people out on that.
 
Misfit28 said:
So, you think without government involvement that equality will just happen? Whites have been in control of this country from the founding of the country. You think they just willingly relinquish this power?

The government/country wasn't even that big when the 15th and 19th amendments were ratified. There was fierce opposition to both.
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No, whites have not been in control of the founding of the country. Most "whites" (whatever the F that means) were NOT in control. A certain group of people were in control that happen to be in white color and also happen to be in control of other people of the same color.
 
ax1 said:
But seriously, instead of debating the very issues you disagree with you blame people's skin color and "angry" behavior and make it about race as the primary influence instead of the actual issues.

Which is up to you of course, but yeah certainly I will always call people out on that.
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You can't ignore the fact that 90% of Trump's supporters are white. I wonder why that is?
 
ax1 said:
No, whites have not been in control of the founding of the country. Most "whites" (whatever the F that means) were NOT in control. A certain group of people were in control that happen to be in white color and also happen to be in control of other people of the same color.
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I don't really follow what you are trying to get at here. Race and color matter a LOT, and have since the founding of this country.

Ignoring it doesn't make it go away.
 
Misfit28 said:
LMAO. OK. Paranoid much?

Seems to me that older white voters are the ones decrying these changes the most, just like the ones who had issue with women and African Americans being given the right to vote.

So allowing gays to marry, giving illegals a pathway to legitimate citizenship, legal abortion (which has been in place since 1973) and gender identification are threatening the very fabric of American prosperity and security?
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WTF are you talking about with paranoid! This communication gap is tiring me! I can't conceive WTF it is so difficult to make a single simple point to you.

We have focused on the minority of our country's valid and important civil liberties at the expense of national security and prosperity and education, etc., and a host of other things that others in our country may feel are equally or more important to us as individuals and as a whole.

Yes there are other matters of business to attend to but I'm sure this classifies me a homophobe sexists racist...
 
ax1 said:
Old story by now, lol but Im home and want to add.

Just in 92 when you will still in your Canadian diapers, Ross Perot had 18% (Clinton 43, Bush 37 not accounting for rigging) of the popular vote as an independent. In 96 the movement grew bigger, but only after the Bush's started threatening the life of his children he dropped out at the peak of his candidacy.

He had no backing from a major political party in 92 but he was part of the "Reform Party" in 96, and Ill add its extremely possible for an independent to win especially now with the internet and alternative media age. Lets not forget independents that drop in out of congress, senate.

Its a long shot yeah, but 100% possible. Total miss out opportunity this year for Bernie who is now an independent again.
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Come on, I was a teenager! Lol... I'm 39 this year I remember Perot well.

Bernie would've been great, but I would definitely like to see a better version of Johnson in power. Johnson is a smart guy but like you said he's a bit creepy. Comes across as smug and too laid back.
 
David Dunn said:
WTF are you talking about with paranoid! This communication gap is tiring me! I can't conceive WTF it is so difficult to make a single simple point to you.

We have focused on the minority of our country's valid and important civil liberties at the expense of national security and prosperity and education, etc., and a host of other things that others in our country may feel are equally or more important to us as individuals and as a whole.

Yes there are other matters of business to attend to but I'm sure this classifies me a homophobe sexists racist...
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IMO, the loss of educational funding can be tied right back to the GOP.

The main reason we are losing "prosperity" is that people don't find it important enough to achieve education in this country. Other countries destroy us academically. Guess what that does? It makes us lose out to other countries. The old "get a diploma and work as a blue collar worker" model doesn't hold water any more. Math, science and advanced technology are the future.
 
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