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CEL Xtren and AAR Trenx90 need advice

saywutrly said:
Word. I'm happy to be in a committed relationship so I don't have to worry about this.



You're getting by on just 12.5 exem e3d? I have to dose that every day on just 700ish mg test per week.
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Yeah bro no nip sensitivity or bloat either it's because I'm on mast and winny rn and they're both DHT derivatives
 
How are you running the t3? Are you tapering it up to 37.5mcg? And how long are you gonna run it?
 
mmorso said:
How are you running the t3? Are you tapering it up to 37.5mcg? And how long are you gonna run it?
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Nah im gonna hit 25mcg the first 3 days to see how i handle then go full force 37.5mcg full way through. A max of 4-6weeks as I don't want my thyroid to get too messed up
 
mmorso said:
I thought 37.5mcg, from the little I've read about t3, is a dose that makes it anabolic...
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12.5mcg is actually slightly anabolic... 25mcg is average thyroid output and 37.5mcg i've read is hardly catabolic and very good at raising metabolism so seemed like the perfect dose to me.
 
mmorso said:
I thought 37.5mcg, from the little I've read about t3, is a dose that makes it anabolic...
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I had no idea t3 at any dose could be anabolic. I don't know a lot about it though. I've always heard run it only on gear or say bye to any muscle mass you have lol
 
rascal14 said:
Understandable, I just figure that 25mcg is average for natural production so I'd personally want to go a little higher than that. But I also tend to overdo things lol
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Yeah man I use to have that mind set until side effects kicked my ass into gear... You ever go to heavy on the kratom first hand...???
 
rascal14 said:
I had no idea t3 at any dose could be anabolic. I don't know a lot about it though. I've always heard run it only on gear or say bye to any muscle mass you have lol
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From what I've read, the thyroid regulates (though I don't know exactly how) all anabolic and catabolic activities
 
YoungBodyBuil said:
Yeah man I use to have that mind set until side effects kicked my ass into gear... You ever go to heavy on the kratom first hand...???
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There's been times when I'll take some and don't notice anything for a while so I'll take some more and get kinda sick lol

I did the same thing with Tren, I had no side effects so I upped it all the way to 600mg a week and boom, every possible side effect hit me in full force and ruined it for me forever lol

although it did teach me that low-medium dose on anabolics for short durations is probably my go to next cycle.
 
mmorso said:
From what I've read, the thyroid regulates (though I don't know exactly how) all anabolic and catabolic activities
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Yep and heavily anabolic compounds suppress thyroid function (proven) which is why tren is usually targetted for lowering thyroid output but in reality any high dose of anabolic androgens will in order to preserve energy tren just happens to be a lot more anabolic than test hence why people usually associate tren with a negative impact on thyroid when in fact any highly anabolic compound will
 
YoungBodyBuil said:
Yep and heavily anabolic compounds suppress thyroid function (proven) which is why tren is usually targetted for lowering thyroid output but in reality any high dose of anabolic androgens will in order to preserve energy tren just happens to be a lot more anabolic than test hence why people usually associate tren with a negative impact on thyroid when in fact any highly anabolic compound will
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Will LGD lower thyroid output? Or not because it's not androgenic?

Sorry to hijack
 
mmorso said:
Will LGD lower thyroid output? Or not because it's not androgenic?

Sorry to hijack
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No, LGD at 12mg daily to 16mg daily will not HEAVILY impact thyroid output however most anabolic compounds will mess with thyroid to a degree whether its significant or not is compound and dose dependent.
 
rascal14 said:
There's been times when I'll take some and don't notice anything for a while so I'll take some more and get kinda sick lol

I did the same thing with Tren, I had no side effects so I upped it all the way to 600mg a week and boom, every possible side effect hit me in full force and ruined it for me forever lol

although it did teach me that low-medium dose on anabolics for short durations is probably my go to next cycle.
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600mg of tren in a week.... id be in a mental ward bro
 
YoungBodyBuil said:
i'm scared of doing a tren PH cause of mental sides i can fckn imagine 600mg of the real **** holy
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I didn't get any from the PH Tren, you should be fine. I was pretty good at about 300mg Tren Ace as well, just had insomnia I think, which I also had before from high test.
 
rascal14 said:
I didn't get any from the PH Tren, you should be fine. I was pretty good at about 300mg Tren Ace as well, just had insomnia I think, which I also had before from high test.
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yeah my test dose has given me insomnia but the test gives me so much energy its barely noticable
 
YoungBodyBuil said:
Hey man, do you think I should lower my test dose when i start the CEL Xtren?

CUrrent cycle
Test e 600mg Mast e 400mg 75mg winny ed
gonna drop the winny when i get the tren and start the Xtren
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I'd run the xtren and winny together. It'll help prevent progestin sides. It's a better option than drugs.
Test dose looks fine
 
Insomnia and easily pissed off were the only sides I got from tren ace.

Well aside from gyno. But I chose to not use any ancillaries
 
mmorso said:
I thought 37.5mcg, from the little I've read about t3, is a dose that makes it anabolic...
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37.5mcg is a good dose. No more than 50mcg. You'll love it though. Make sure you eat plenty of carbs and protein pre-WO and you'll actually see that T3 will increase lean mass gains but decrease overal weight gain.
 
19-norandrosta Xtren VS Estra4,9,11 which is the one that converts to tren? Just got both of them in the mall from a very trusted source
 
YoungBodyBuil said:
19-norandrosta Xtren VS Estra4,9,11 which is the one that converts to tren? Just got both of them in the mall from a very trusted source
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pretty sure the second one is trendione which converts to tren at 30% at most? I could be wrong but its been good at 90 mg
 
YoungBodyBuil said:
Why is everyone saying Xtren is stronger than trenx90 then... Xtren is 19norandrosta and trenx90 is estra
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not sure why that was recommended , when i did my research that's the structure that was recommended,and what OL was using, i thought ppl were recommending based on what they used or legitimacy.
 
19-nor, and estra mean the same thing.

The difference to look for is di-ene and tri-ene written in the nomenclature
 
hamdysayed said:
Ease into it bro i started with 60 and staying on 90 sides hit me hard when i pumped to 120 too early, also the sides creeped up on me not like epistane which hits me right away
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When did sides hit and what were they lol? Im on week 3 of 90 and its great no sides considering bumping to 120 but not sure
 
georgetown said:
When did sides hit and what were they lol? Im on week 3 of 90 and its great no sides considering bumping to 120 but not sure
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sides started hitting me around week 4, lethargy headaches and intense pump all over my body if i don't watch what I eat.
hhow's ur ibido on it and what are u running with it?
 
hamdysayed said:
sides started hitting me around week 4, lethargy headaches and intense pump all over my body if i don't watch what I eat.
hhow's ur ibido on it and what are u running with it?
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Libidos there just not so strong, running 750 epiandro and 60 triumphalis
 
I'm now 4 weeks into this cycle with 2 days on Tren and T3
Beginner stats 187 13.5% BF
Current stats 193.3
11.6%bf
So even though I've been eating way above maintenance my body's recomping INSANELY well.

600mg test e
400mg mast e
125mg mclostebol
90 mg Xtren
50mcg t3(cutting the pills to 37.5 was impossible)
Exemestane 12.5mg Ed (bumped it to ED when added tren)

So I've noticed a racing heart beat at times and my first night of tren I barely slept at all, however I'm not sure I'd put it on the tren as last night I passed the f out and got a solid 9 hours which felt amazing. The t3 has definitely been kicking since first dose, my rest heart rate yesterday was 101 for a short period of time, I took some magnesium, arginine, and taurine and it dropped to my usual 73 BPM within 20 minutes so at least I have everything on hand for any occasion. May keep this up to date sort of like a mini log, not sure yet.
 
YoungBodyBuil said:
I'm now 4 weeks into this cycle with 2 days on Tren and T3
Beginner stats 187 13.5% BF
Current stats 193.3
11.6%bf
So even though I've been eating way above maintenance my body's recomping INSANELY well.

600mg test e
400mg mast e
125mg mclostebol
90 mg Xtren
50mcg t3(cutting the pills to 37.5 was impossible)
Exemestane 12.5mg Ed (bumped it to ED when added tren)

So I've noticed a racing heart beat at times and my first night of tren I barely slept at all, however I'm not sure I'd put it on the tren as last night I passed the f out and got a solid 9 hours which felt amazing. The t3 has definitely been kicking since first dose, my rest heart rate yesterday was 101 for a short period of time, I took some magnesium, arginine, and taurine and it dropped to my usual 73 BPM within 20 minutes so at least I have everything on hand for any occasion. May keep this up to date sort of like a mini log, not sure yet.
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damn 101 is high but keep an eye on it, s sometimes my heart beat be increasing randomly.
what'sthe arginine for ?
 
hamdysayed said:
damn 101 is high but keep an eye on it, s sometimes my heart beat be increasing randomly.
what'sthe arginine for ?
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Average 65-80 resting which is really healthy I've read I think it's because I had caffeine with t3 yesterday and I haven't adjusted to it yet. Taurine stabilized electric contractions of the heart, arginine soothes muscles and blood flow, and magnesium helps regular heart rhythm, and LITERALLT 20minutes after I took that stack felt better and tested with my BP monitor and it was down to 73 again
 
hamdysayed said:
damn 101 is high but keep an eye on it, s sometimes my heart beat be increasing randomly.
what'sthe arginine for ?
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Average 65-80 resting which is really healthy I've read I think it's because I had caffeine with t3 yesterday and I haven't adjusted to it yet. Taurine stabilized electric contractions of the heart, arginine soothes muscles and blood flow, and magnesium helps regular heart rhythm, and LITERALLT 20minutes after I took that stack felt better and tested with my BP monitor and it was down to 73 again
 
YoungBodyBuil said:
Average 65-80 resting which is really healthy I've read I think it's because I had caffeine with t3 yesterday and I haven't adjusted to it yet. Taurine stabilized electric contractions of the heart, arginine soothes muscles and blood flow, and magnesium helps regular heart rhythm, and LITERALLT 20minutes after I took that stack felt better and tested with my BP monitor and it was down to 73 again
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awesome will add arginine to my cycle already got taurine and mag, thanks for info bro
 
Racing, irregular heart beat is usually T3 side effect. Pro- dienolone is capable of this to some degree though.

Recomping is from that T3 though. The other stuff would otherwise just put mass on your frame unless you are eating really clean and doing regular cardio, then I would say its the routine that is contributing to the recomping.

Cycle looks fun.
 
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