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Cycle advice

tomasem

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Hey all. Hope everyone's having a good start of the fall. Been lifting seriously for ~8 years, did a few cycles of epi a few years back, but nothing in the past few. Thinking about doing another, but given how much things have changed, wasn't sure if anyone would suggest any tweaks.. Here's what I did last time and was thinking about repeating..

32 years old
6'2, 195lbs
roughly 13% BF
I hit the gym 5 days a week for 1.5-2 hours each

Cycle
Epi 2,3,4,4, maybe a 5th week
CEL Cycle assist
Multivitamin
SNS Cissus XT
Fish oil
Taurine
Liv.52

PCT
Liquid nolva 20/20/10/10
SNS Inhibit P 2,2,2,2,2
PCT assisst 2,2,2,2,2,2
DAA 3/3/3/3

PES Erase 0/2/3/3/2/1

Any advice or suggestions would be much appreciated.
 
tomasem said:
Hey all. Hope everyone's having a good start of the fall. Been lifting seriously for ~8 years, did a few cycles of epi a few years back, but nothing in the past few. Thinking about doing another, but given how much things have changed, wasn't sure if anyone would suggest any tweaks.. Here's what I did last time and was thinking about repeating..

32 years old
6'2, 195lbs
roughly 13% BF
I hit the gym 5 days a week for 1.5-2 hours each

Cycle
Epi 2,3,4,4, maybe a 5th week
CEL Cycle assist
Multivitamin
SNS Cissus XT
Fish oil
Taurine
Liv.52

PCT
Liquid nolva 20/20/10/10
SNS Inhibit P 2,2,2,2,2
PCT assisst 2,2,2,2,2,2
DAA 3/3/3/3

PES Erase 0/2/3/3/2/1

Any advice or suggestions would be much appreciated.
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A couple things...

First, by "epi 2,3,4,4.." I assume you mean epistane and caps? what dose are the caps? if 10mg, 2 is a complete waste. 30mg would be the lowest i'd suggest. Also, 4 weeks is really when epi starts to shine, so i'd definitely go 6 if you can.

Next, there's no need for inhibit p. epistane has no impact on prolactin.

Like the others said, scrap the liv52 and get some CEL tudca. its the cheapest around and with a methyl like epi, it's almost a requirement.

DAA is hit or miss, for me, it causes nothing but problems, but if you've used in the past with good results, go for it. I would swap the Inhibit P for inhibit E. PES erase really isn't much of an ai (even the og arimistane version) and epi is notrorious for potential rebound estro issues.

Add in Reduce XT for PCT. its the gold standard for cortisol control which will spike during hormon recovery. Start it in week 2 or 3 of pct and run it past your serm
 
only thing you need for epi is PCT nolva or clomid. My joints hurt like hell from all the weight (strength goes through the roof) so i used glucosamine and chondroitin this time and didn't have that problem.

I also used Tudca this time cause I drank a lot of rum and cokes every night on cycle and last time i did that I got a fatty liver from it. My liver values were fine after this cycle.

also my last cycle i did the liquid nolva and ended up losing everything i gained. i used the tablets this time and was able to keep everything. that's just me though, a lot of people swear by the liquid nolva (i assume you are using the "not for human consumption" thing).
 
dillface02241 said:
only thing you need for epi is PCT nolva or clomid. My joints hurt like hell from all the weight (strength goes through the roof) so i used glucosamine and chondroitin this time and didn't have that problem.

I also used Tudca this time cause I drank a lot of rum and cokes every night on cycle and last time i did that I got a fatty liver from it. My liver values were fine after this cycle.

also my last cycle i did the liquid nolva and ended up losing everything i gained. i used the tablets this time and was able to keep everything. that's just me though, a lot of people swear by the liquid nolva (i assume you are using the "not for human consumption" thing).
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by saying this alone, you negate any possible respect/trust for whatever else you say in this post... this is just beyond stupid.
 
dillface02241 said:
only thing you need for epi is PCT nolva or clomid. My joints hurt like hell from all the weight (strength goes through the roof) so i used glucosamine and chondroitin this time and didn't have that problem.

I also used Tudca this time cause I drank a lot of rum and cokes every night on cycle and last time i did that I got a fatty liver from it. My liver values were fine after this cycle.

also my last cycle i did the liquid nolva and ended up losing everything i gained. i used the tablets this time and was able to keep everything. that's just me though, a lot of people swear by the liquid nolva (i assume you are using the "not for human consumption" thing).
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I agree with all the excessive otc pct stuff being overkill as well as research chemicals being trash...As far as tudca goes, on a simple epistane cycle it is not needed, but it couldn't hurt to add it
 
Op, maybe consider 6 weeks as opposed to 5. I'm running my second epistane cycle and going for 6 weeks this time
 
Agreed drinking is not the smartest, however, to what degree depends on your cycle. But your logic is flawed anyhow, and you're obviously uneducated. I guess you don't understand what I'm talking about so i'll explain in laymen's terms. My drinking on cycle is mutually exclusive of my other comments. If you know what that means, then you'll understand your comment didn't make any sense.
 
All that over the counter cycle assist, PCT is bull****. It's marketing hype for the nutraceutical industry. DAA and other test boosters have mixed clinical trials with the bulk of the trials confirming they don't do ****. Sure, you can find one article that says DAA will boost your test levels 60%, but you can find 1000 more negating that. I would use fish oil (very established in the medical community and my doctor makes me take it and it has helped in many areas) but it will do nothing unless your at 3000 MGS per day.
 
dillface02241 said:
Agreed drinking is not the smartest, however, to what degree depends on your cycle. But your logic is flawed anyhow, and you're obviously uneducated. I guess you don't understand what I'm talking about so i'll explain in laymen's terms. My drinking on cycle is mutually exclusive of my other comments. If you know what that means, then you'll understand your comment didn't make any sense.
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"My drinking on cycle is mutually exclusive of my other comments. If you know what that means, then you'll understand your comment didn't make any sense"

this is like deciphering the fycking Da Vinci code
 
dillface02241 said:
Agreed drinking is not the smartest, however, to what degree depends on your cycle. But your logic is flawed anyhow, and you're obviously uneducated. I guess you don't understand what I'm talking about so i'll explain in laymen's terms. My drinking on cycle is mutually exclusive of my other comments. If you know what that means, then you'll understand your comment didn't make any sense.
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I assume this was directed at me? What logic are you even talking about? The logic of drinking on cycle = bad? Drinking on cycle is not the issue, the issue is that you explicitly stated "A LOT" and that you "GOT A FATTY LIVER", which is clearly different, and extremely dangerous. By stating that you understand that this is dumb/dangerous, and then trying to give advice on the subject of safe cycling you've just negated any possible trust in the validity of all of your "advice". Giving safe cycling advice, while not following it yourself is in no way mutually exclusive. the validity of your advice is directly related to the actions that you take in respect to the knowledge that you have.

I totally agree that DAA and many (even most) supps are garbage and useless at best. However, if you actually look at the ones that I recommended, all of them have either scientific backing on the ingredients and/or bloodwork results posted here and other places that support their effects.
 
dillface02241 ... you're clearly well educated and make sound decisions. please give us more of your stellar advice

dillface02241 said:
I drank a pint of rum every night on epi. My liver values were very high after that. they eventually returned to normal so of course I did the same thing again and won't go back to doctor for another 3 months cause he will get mad at me.
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dillface02241 said:
i ran an epi cycle with same PCT. my libido was actually off the whole time and still is. it went to the point of my wife getting upset with me...it's terrible. I lost sleep for the past couple weeks (barely any sleep at all)..
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dillface02241 said:
I used research chemicals last time (liquid nolva) and it didn't work, i ended up losing all my gains.
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your a sales rep who makes at best $10/hr. Surely your the idiot who couldn't do anything better with your life...keep juicing idiot....lmao
 
dillface02241 said:
your a sales rep who makes at best $10/hr. Surely your the idiot who couldn't do anything better with your life...keep juicing idiot....lmao
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I'm national sales manager and I make commission so try again. Keep drinking on cycle you dumb fuk.....lmao
 
dillface02241 said:
boone...you're a product rep with too much time on your hands.....lol
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that has absolutely nothing to do with how asinine and ignorant your comments were... and it only takes 5 seconds to post that haha. what does being a rep have to do with my knowledge of physiology?
 
dillface02241 said:
your a sales rep who makes at best $10/hr. Surely your the idiot who couldn't do anything better with your life...keep juicing idiot....lmao
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You have no validity in anything you say. Go drink on cycle and fuc-k yourself up again. You don't come on here thrashing some respected members who are actually trying to help others be successful rather than do nothing but offer worthless information and make an idiot of yourself. Ignorant kid. Can't even use correct grammar, "lmao."
 
booneman77 said:
that has absolutely nothing to do with how asinine and ignorant your comments were... and it only takes 5 seconds to post that haha
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It's funny how we both have respectable high paying jobs outside of repping and only do this forum thing for fun and this guy actually believes that it's a full time job....
 
dillface02241 said:
your a sales rep who makes at best $10/hr. Surely your the idiot who couldn't do anything better with your life...keep juicing idiot....lmao
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Like how you're bashing him for juicing too, you cycle aswell, except you do it in a way that has caused adverse effects. F-ucking genius. Nice forms of your btw, you're the idiot. Inb4 ban.
 
yates84 said:
It's funny how we both have respectable high paying jobs outside of repping and only do this forum thing for fun and this guy actually believes that it's a full time job....
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kids these days
 
smith_69 said:
"My drinking on cycle is mutually exclusive of my other comments. If you know what that means, then you'll understand your comment didn't make any sense"

this is like deciphering the fycking Da Vinci code
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Hell yeah man!
dillface02241 said:
Agreed drinking is not the smartest, however, to what degree depends on your cycle. But your logic is flawed anyhow, and you're obviously uneducated. I guess you don't understand what I'm talking about so i'll explain in laymen's terms. My drinking on cycle is mutually exclusive of my other comments. If you know what that means, then you'll understand your comment didn't make any sense.
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Ain't nothin wrong with layman's terms
 
tomasem said:
Hey guys. Thanks for the tips - and sorry for setting off such a discussion! :09:
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Hey buddy, if you have any more questions feel free to post them up here or send one of us a pm. Don't let one idiot mess up what you have going on!
 
booneman77 said:
A couple things...


DAA is hit or miss, for me, it causes nothing but problems, but if you've used in the past with good results, go for it. I would swap the Inhibit P for inhibit E. PES erase really isn't much of an ai (even the og arimistane version) and epi is notrorious for potential rebound estro issues.
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Read this more carefully - if I drop the inhibit P, and add inhibit E, should i drop the Erase also?
 
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