PJ Braun Leaves Prime Nutrition

Evan left for different reasons. One was he didn't want to be associated with a company that sponsored porn stars (former and now current) . Aaron stated Evan even got paid the remainder of his contract (over 6 figures) when he left.

Not true at all I was there for that he left because they essentially bought him out of his contract letting him go

They ( Aaron & PJ ) Brought Evan on thinking it would be this huge thing and he would promote/push Prime Nutrition they had offered him a contract an amount up front ( which they gave him and which he had commented on at the time as well ). Only positive things to say on both ends they were friends prior this was all discussed in various podcasts including an interview with projectbodybuilding in depth which is archived on their site for both Aaron and PJ in different ones.

They left on good terms but it had nothing to do with any of that and it should be obvious.. I mean how dumb do you think he ( Evan ) is he knew who they are, what they were and what they owned. At the time people were also speculating ( On other forums/social media ) that because they also owned Blackstone and "Evan" a pro bodybuilder didn't want to be associated because they sell ( at the time ) designers and sarms because he is too "Moral" for that.. Come on lol
 
It's funny how things work, I've had 4 tubs of Intra-MD and I've only managed to use 2 of them. Not sure if I should double dose the remaining ones or just chuck them cause I'm pissed.
 
It's funny how things work, I've had 4 tubs of Intra-MD and I've only managed to use 2 of them. Not sure if I should double dose the remaining ones or just chuck them cause I'm pissed.

you could always trade them
 
It's funny how things work, I've had 4 tubs of Intra-MD and I've only managed to use 2 of them. Not sure if I should double dose the remaining ones or just chuck them cause I'm pissed.

Several stores this morning posted they are accepting returns, and Duracap had issued a recall on those products immediately. So you very well maybe able to simply return them I would contact where you bought them or possibly contact duracap/prime directly? Just some thoughts on what I seen posted.
 
Several stores this morning posted they are accepting returns, and Duracap had issued a recall on those products immediately. So you very well maybe able to simply return them I would contact where you bought them or possibly contact duracap/prime directly? Just some thoughts on what I seen posted.

I got mine from BB.com 1-2 years ago. Think they would accept it?
 
I got mine from BB.com 1-2 years ago. Think they would accept it?

According to Aaron those should be fine and that is Intra-MD the orig not the one in question at least Intra-MD EAA+ a lot of changes in business and who was producing I believe since than.

The Intra-MD they are talking about right now is Intra-MD EAA+ and John speculated that the current batch of Intra-MD ( being produced right now ) may also not be ok/underdosed.

I also have about 6 tubs of Intra-MD left but I bought most of mine when it launched - You could certainly try tho, I am going to use mine up and going forward will just likely use TN to make my own version of Plazma.
 
According to Aaron those should be fine and that is Intra-MD the orig not the one in question at least Intra-MD EAA+ a lot of changes in business and who was producing I believe since than.

The Intra-MD they are talking about right now is Intra-MD EAA+ and John speculated that the current batch of Intra-MD ( being produced right now ) may also not be ok/underdosed.

I also have about 6 tubs of Intra-MD left but I bought most of mine when it launched - You could certainly try tho, I am going to use mine up and going forward will just likely use TN to make my own version of Plazma.

In that case, nevermind. Haha....maybe I'll just stick with it until I run out then switch over to Plazma.
 
So a bunch of Prime Nutrition products got tested for an exceeding amount of Lead on 8/16/16. These products were Intra-MD EAA +, Phytoform, Sleep GH, Redux and Partition MD I'll see if I can get the link
 
Not true at all I was there for that he left because they essentially bought him out of his contract letting him go

They ( Aaron & PJ ) Brought Evan on thinking it would be this huge thing and he would promote/push Prime Nutrition they had offered him a contract an amount up front ( which they gave him and which he had commented on at the time as well ). Only positive things to say on both ends they were friends prior this was all discussed in various podcasts including an interview with projectbodybuilding in depth which is archived on their site for both Aaron and PJ in different ones.

They left on good terms but it had nothing to do with any of that and it should be obvious.. I mean how dumb do you think he ( Evan ) is he knew who they are, what they were and what they owned. At the time people were also speculating ( On other forums/social media ) that because they also owned Blackstone and "Evan" a pro bodybuilder didn't want to be associated because they sell ( at the time ) designers and sarms because he is too "Moral" for that.. Come on lol

Certainly there was more too it than porn stars :) It seems both sides were unhappy. As you mentioned Aaron and PJ were disappointed because they felt Evan was not doing his part to promote the brand in the way that they were expecting and Evan did have some moral reservations although it did not seem that it had anything to do with BSLs product line. As you mentioned most of this story is over on PBB but the forum seems to be dead as of late.

I'm not sure PJ and Evan have much of a friendship anymore do they? PJ stated in a youtube video that he will never look at Evan the same and was upset Evan took the buyout because it was a substantial amount of money to them at that time being a newer/smaller company. He also made a comment in the same video that certainly made it sound like he doesn't even talk with Evan anymore and how if he bumped into him at an expo he would at least be cordial to him (or something to that affect as I am obviously paraphrasing).
 
Posted by PJ Braun on Facebook and linked from his ig

Screenshots are on his facebook

Clarification and evidence regarding John Meadows, Prime Nutrition, Aaron Singerman, and myself.

Below is a timeline of events with unaltered screenshots that will shed some light on the current situation. The emails evidence several things:
First, as you can clearly see, Aaron Singerman intentionally ordered an under dose of product. You will also see that John Meadows tested the product, and only this product, that Aaron ordered to be under dosed, and then attempted to extort Prime Nutrition by offering to stay silent as long as he received a substantial sum of money from Prime Nutrition.

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06/06/15 - Aaron Singerman wishes to no longer work with John Meadows (image linked below)
08/13/15 – The label designer notices that 20mg is what's inside, not 50mg. Aaron says to just change label to 50mg (image linked below)
05/05/16 - Aaron Singerman is fired as a manager of Prime Nutrition, while remaining on as a shareholder of Prime Nutrition.
08/11/16 - John Meadows sponsorship with Prime Nutrition is terminated. (image linked below)
09/28/16 - John Meadows emails Aaron offering to settle and stay quiet as long as he receives $100,000.00 (image linked below)
Before any issues arose concerning Prime Nutrition’s products, Aaron Singerman expressed that he wished to no longer work John Meadows. While with Prime, Aaron notoriously wanted products and labels created as quickly as possible, with authenticity and accuracy coming second. John does not work fast. When the product was in final creation stages, the emails show that the manufacturer showed us the product only had 20mg of Teacrine, when Meadows had suggested 50mg. Aaron instructed the label designer to "just change" the label to say 50mg. Teacrine is a very costly ingredient that also vastly effected the taste - an under dose of this ingredient meant big savings and better flavor reviews regardless of efficacy.

In May of 2016, events that cannot be discussed due to confidentiality requirements led to Aaron Singerman being fired from Prime Nutrition. At this time large amounts of INTRA-MD EAA+ had been created and sold under his supervision. Under Prime's new leadership, John Meadows' sponsorship was terminated in August of 2016. This led to John Meadows threatening suit against Prime Nutrition owners and the current extortion and smear campaign playing out in social media today.

On September 7, 2016, John received test results for the product, yet decided to hold them until October 3, 2016. As shown in the screenshots above, John’s attorney wrote a letter notifying us of the test results followed by an email from John Meadows demanding $100,000.00 to withhold the information from the public. If John was truly concerned about the consumer he would have followed the proper protocol and notified the FDA as well as work hand in hand with Prime Nutrition to remedy this unfortunate situation and protect the consumer; instead he chose to attempt to line his own pockets by engaging in highly illegal and unethical conduct. We believe that Aaron Singerman: (1) coerced John Meadows because he knew full well that we had this information (seen in screenshots above); (2) that it was truly Aaron who designed the product and was notified that ingredients were incorrect; and (3) instead instructed the label designer to follow through as is knowing full well that the label was incorrect.

Finally, here's a word from Wes Houser of DuraCap in regards to this matter:
"So, you may have seen some activity on various social media outlets recently regarding John Meadows. As of right now, a lot of strong feelings are being expressed and we feel that we must take some measures to clear the air here about what is actually going on.

Currently, all of Prime Nutrition’s products are manufactured by Duracap. John Meadows has directly accused Duracap of underdosing the levels of teacrine in Intra-MD EAA+. Samples of Intra-MD EAA+ were sent out for testing and confirmed that this was, indeed, the case. While this situation was unfortunate for Prime Nutrition customers, we guarantee that any and all products we produce will meet what is listed on its product label going forward.

We do, however, know why teacrine did not meet the levels indicated on the product’s label. This was a result of a direct order from Aaron Singerman to change the levels of teacrine from 50 mg to 20 mg, and then to keep the label the same.

To rectify this situation, a product recall has been issued for Intra MD EAA+. Any customer dissatisfied with Intra-MD EAA+ is eligible for a full refund. To claim your refund, send an email to [email protected] entitled “Intra MD-EAA+ recall.“

Duracap takes issues like these very seriously and will do everything within our power to ensure that all of the products we manufacture, in fact, match all levels of ingredients listed on their labels."
Wes Houser
Active Sports Distribution
 
That actually makes me kinda sad and more importantly makes me refocus on the more trustworthy brands out there. Not these brands that are random
 
Aaron just wrote on his FB:

Everyone loves an announcement of an impending announcement... Well, this is one of those. Video being edited now.
 
Crazy from friends to enemies, funny how this industry is.
 
Even though Aaron posted otherwise, according to John's letter it does not appear that he feels he was paid all the monies due to him under the contract even during the time Aaron was there.

Seeing this unfold is a little disturbing as to the what is happening behind the scenes in the supplement industry as well as some of the lies and deception that many feel acceptable to line their own pockets.
 
I am curious as to why some products were done by Hi Tech and others by Duracaps...

Shame on the contract manufacturer but also shame on the actual owner of the supplement company for not doing random testing on the products. I realize this is expensive but would certainly bring some additional legitimacy to a brand
 
I am curious as to why some products were done by Hi Tech and others by Duracaps...

Shame on the contract manufacturer but also shame on the actual owner of the supplement company for not doing random testing on the products. I realize this is expensive but would certainly bring some additional legitimacy to a brand

I'm guessing it is because the delivery method (cyclosome) of some of the DHEA compounds was created/owned by HiTech.
 
I am curious as to why some products were done by Hi Tech and others by Duracaps...

Shame on the contract manufacturer but also shame on the actual owner of the supplement company for not doing random testing on the products. I realize this is expensive but would certainly bring some additional legitimacy to a brand

They're legally required to test their products, lol.
 
What is this pornstar thing? Somebody that would like to explain that briefly?

Prime sponsored a former pornstar at the time Evan was there, Nina Mercedez aka Mariza Villarreal, and the word from some credible sources was that Evan was not too happy about being associated with a company that is sponsoring former porn stars. As Rob mentioned, to which I agreed, there was much more to Evan's split with Prime than his dislike of the ex-pornstar sponsorship.
 
Posted by PJ Braun on Facebook and linked from his ig

Screenshots are on his facebook

PJ Braun said:
If John was truly concerned about the consumer he would have followed the proper protocol and notified the FDA as well as work hand in hand with Prime Nutrition to remedy this unfortunate situation and protect the consumer; instead he chose to attempt to line his own pockets by engaging in highly illegal and unethical conduct.

And yet, PJ was on all of those emails too, and knew that a fraudulent product by a company he owned was being put on the market.

Oh, and Duracap labs was more than happy to manufacture and label a product they knew was fraudulent.

Every single person involved, Meadows, PJ, Aaron, Duracap, come out of this looking like a bunch of ****ing scumbags.

And yet, people will continue buying products from all of them.
 
And yet, PJ was on all of those emails too, and knew that a fraudulent product by a company he owned was being put on the market.

Oh, and Duracap labs was more than happy to manufacture and label a product they knew was fraudulent.

Every single person involved, Meadows, PJ, Aaron, Duracap, come out of this looking like a bunch of ****ing scumbags.

And yet, people will continue buying products from all of them.

Well, Duracap seems to manufacture a lot of things for many companies. Is there a list of companies that use them specifically so we can avoid them?
 
Well, Duracap seems to manufacture a lot of things for many companies. Is there a list of companies that use them specifically so we can avoid them?

Duracap has a few trademarked ingredients so I would assume any product with one of those ingredients was produced by Duracap.
 
And yet, PJ was on all of those emails too, and knew that a fraudulent product by a company he owned was being put on the market.

Oh, and Duracap labs was more than happy to manufacture and label a product they knew was fraudulent.

Every single person involved, Meadows, PJ, Aaron, Duracap, come out of this looking like a bunch of ****ing scumbags.

And yet, people will continue buying products from all of them.

I don't really see how John looks bad in this at all. Dude is not a social media whore, he doesn't post a bunch of ads and is straightforward about what he promotes. I feel like pj trashed him. Jm posted that he asked for the money he was owed, but it wasn't an ultimatum for keeping his mouth shut. I tend to believe the word of jm over pj.
 
I don't really see how John looks bad in this at all. Dude is not a social media whore, he doesn't post a bunch of ads and is straightforward about what he promotes. I feel like pj trashed him. Jm posted that he asked for the money he was owed, but it wasn't an ultimatum for keeping his mouth shut. I tend to believe the word of jm over pj.

Every person who was on the email where their company decided to defraud their customers who didn't either push back or immediately resign and expose it is a scumbag.
 
Rule number 1, never put it in writing and use a phone booth to make phone calls....:11:
 
just in: Jared Wheat (Hi-Tech) now has a controlling interest in Prime

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Looking forward to good things
 
Every person who was on the email where their company decided to defraud their customers who didn't either push back or immediately resign and expose it is a scumbag.
How long was that email sent/ received before John decided to speak out?

Anyone have a timeline?

How long after John tested the products did it take him to speak out?
 
How long was that email sent/ received before John decided to speak out?

Anyone have a timeline?

How long after John tested the products did it take him to speak out?

August 2015.

None of them spoke out about it until their own personal money and pride started to be impacted.

They're all scum.
 
Unlike companies who snitch all while doing the very thing their snitching on tho right? Sometimes we should learn to simply not post.. Just sayin ;)

Come on.. We know half truths and some jerry springer level ****.. Nothing showing John was complicit directly.

to quote someone else

But nevermind the fact, the letter said nothing of the sort. Merely a letter from an lawyer asking for he was promised to be compensated. Then on the other hand, he pays for two bouts of testing proving the products were underdosed, products with his name on them.

You must be a hardcore PJ fan, cause that's the only way I can make sense of your comments towards John. I see nothing of the sort ever being said by John, the letter says nothing like that. PJ is merely saying John said it. But the facts don't lie. A company PJ ran with Duracap underdosed ingredients.

That remains pretty clear, and PJ just opened himself to all kinds of problems cause you know, that's ****ing ILLEGAL. So now he will have the government to deal with, instead of handling it in the courts, he threw a tantrum and exposed himself to legal matters, not just civil issues.

I am glad Hi-Tech is taking over and from the get go PJ was not looking to be a fan of Prime Nutrition; John Meadows was not PJ's friend he was Aaron and Aaron wanted to bring him on, Aaron wanted to go the direction he did with Prime and have John on board ( He said he said and he also said is what we have.. And Johns lawyer asking to be paid what his contract said he was owed ) so PJ leaving did not shock me at all I assumed he would drop prime as soon as he could given his hints well over a year ago and further yet since essentially the launch of prime on his videos, podcast discussions and shortly after day in the life and his periscope.

Duracap is a whole other ****storm and topic all by it self
 
Unlike companies who snitch all while doing the very thing their snitching on tho right? Sometimes we should learn to simply not post.. Just sayin ;)

Come on.. We know half truths and some jerry springer level ****.. Nothing showing John was complicit directly.

You don't see the difference between selling a product that by all indications was legal at the time, labeled and advertised properly as such, and giving customers exactly what they're expecting, and doing exactly the opposite by labeling a product to contain a given dose of an ingredient while knowing full well that it didn't?

One of these is government overreach into what people choose to put into their bodies.

The other is four jackasses knowingly defrauding their customers

Also, Meadows is CC'd on the email, so he knew it happened, how do you think he knew to go test the products?

He was fine with it until it affected his bottom line, then he decided to use it against them.
 
You don't see the difference between selling a product that by all indications was legal at the time, labeled and advertised properly as such, and giving customers exactly what they're expecting, and doing exactly the opposite by labeling a product to contain a given dose of an ingredient while knowing full well that it didn't?

Also, Meadows is CC'd on the email, so he knew it happened, how do you think he new to go test the products?




The email could easily be understood as "the label says 20 mg, is that correct" and Aaron sending it back as "no its supposed to 50 mg"

Easily could be deduced as a clerical error, which happens often when making a label for products. You guys went through that when you released X-Gels. The company read the label wrong, and the product was produced wrong.

So you can't claim it doesn't happen when your company literally had that very issue of clerical issue/misunderstanding.

And the fact it happened with the HydroMax tells me that DC did it on purpose as cost cutting, and instead of PJ saying it was all DC, he's trying to implicated Aaron and John to save his own ass, which the guilt is a very smelly cologne.


And who cares how he knew to test them. He had an inkling or maybe someone from DC whispered in his ear. Either way, he exposed it. We should be applauding him.
 
The email could easily be understood as "the label says 20 mg, is that correct" and Aaron sending it back as "no its supposed to 50 mg"

Easily could be deduced as a clerical error, which happens often when making a label for products. You guys went through that when you released X-Gels. The company read the label wrong, and the product was produced wrong.

So you can't claim it doesn't happen when your company literally had that very issue of clerical issue/misunderstanding.

And the fact it happened with the HydroMax tells me that DC did it on purpose as cost cutting, and instead of PJ saying it was all DC, he's trying to implicated Aaron and John to save his own ass, which the guilt is a very smelly cologne.

And who cares how he knew to test them. He had an inkling or maybe someone from DC whispered in his ear. Either way, he exposed it. We should be applauding him.


And yet, what the product actually contained was the lower amount.

So the spec for the product was at the lower amount.

And despite that it was labeled for the higher amount.

That's not a misunderstanding, that's intentional.

PJ doesn't even pretend it was an accident, he knows it was intentional and is just mad at Aaron and Meadows for trying to get back at Duracap/PJ.
 
And yet, what the product actually contained was the lower amount.

So the spec for the product was at the lower amount.

And despite that it was labeled for the higher amount.

That's not a misunderstanding, that's intentional.

PJ doesn't even pretend it was an accident, he knows it was intentional and is just mad at Aaron and Meadows for trying to get back at Duracap/PJ.


Well this is no different than someone who gets stiffed by a company blowing the whistle. John had an inkling like he states, and had the product tested.


Competing companies get products tested all the time. They don't release the information based on potential lawsuits. John is now himself, no affiliation. He is free to release that info without repercussion.
 
Well this is no different than someone who gets stiffed by a company blowing the whistle. John had an inkling like he states, and had the product tested.


Competing companies get products tested all the time. They don't release the information based on potential lawsuits. John is now himself, no affiliation. He is free to release that info without repercussion.

And that's fine, it's good that he's finally doing it.

But the fact that it was underdosed was in front of him for a year before he did,
 
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