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Follidrone?

Cooter Flap said:
Anabeta Elite, X gels, Triumph... all going to run you around $100 for 8 weeks. Obviously I think we would all like to see natural products a little cheaper but as long as people keep buying them because they're expecting ph like results and no hormonal issues they're going to stay that way lol It would be nice to get an 8 week natty cycle for around $60, which is sometimes possible with a sale so thats what I wait for.
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Consumers are idiots. And to your point, people thinking they are going to get ph like results (which is what people think when said marketer touts anywhere from 13 to 27lbs of muscle) is their own fault for not researching.

That is why honest logs and reviews are so important. When you are trying to research, you are going to look at logs and reviews. And when you listen to people like bigsmall go over the top about a product, you think you are getting straight from the source unicorn blood.

I have no doubt it can elicit some kind of positive effects, but if you are going to talk shyt to people and tell other reps rhey need to try it to get on board this magical train, that is where my problem lies. The way bigsmall defends this product, it sounds like he put on the supposed 27lbs in clean weight and the 100 lbs on his deadz....
 
bigsmall said:
Dude, Alphamax XT costs about the same as everyone else for an 8 week supply.
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80 vs 100. I will save 20 bucks wherever I can. Especially for close to the same results...;)
 
The fact of the matter is no natural product is going to provide noticeable results unless your diet is completely in check for your goals. That is a fact. That is where a few products can actually provide benefit but few users usually eat the way they should and expect a magic pill. So I agree with what you're saying, but I also think that theres not chance to even gain their possible benefits due to ****ty diet.
 
Cooter Flap said:
The fact of the matter is no natural product is going to provide noticeable results unless your diet is completely in check for your goals. That is a fact. That is where a few products can actually provide benefit but few users usually eat the way they should and expect a magic pill. So I agree with what you're saying, but I also think that theres not chance to even gain their possible benefits due to ****ty diet.
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Totally true as well. Most people don't like that part of the equation
 
the most people, gives top priority to the supplements, and not improve their diet.
this is the first mistake of assessment.
 
Exactly and then they will bash a product for not doing what it says, now with that being said I don't waste a lot of money on natty products. I do plan on trying out ARA, but other than that I will save up for my cycles
 
bb333 said:
is a defect of all, emphasize the results of their own products.
This is called marketing!
Taken for a ride apart, it is the fault of those who buy, not who sells!
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I agree but they shouldn't expect serious athletes and bodybuilders to buy or help promote their products when they claim:

"In addition our internal testers reported serious strength gains including-
-100lb increase in Deadlift in 4 days
-20lbs per arm on DB incline press in 10 days.
-6 inch gain on vert jump to 53 inches.
-one user compared the strength increase to halotestin.
Increases in mass were also reported by our internal testers including 10lbs weight gain in 10 days with what appears to be 0 BF% increase."

100 lbs increase in deads in 4 days??? 10 lbs increase in muscle mass in 10 days with zero fat gain (a pound of muscle PER DAY)??? This was the promotion for the original Follidrone. I can't even imagine how much better the 2.0 is!

Look, I don't know if the product works because I haven't tried it but when I see stuff like this I'll most likely never try it. Like I said before, I dislike Black Lion Research's marketing because I believe it alienates serious athletes who bust their asses in the gym to make those kind of gains, and quite frankly, it's insulting to them.
 
210LBS said:
I agree but they shouldn't expect serious athletes and bodybuilders to buy or help promote their products when they claim:

"In addition our internal testers reported serious strength gains including-
-100lb increase in Deadlift in 4 days
-20lbs per arm on DB incline press in 10 days.
-6 inch gain on vert jump to 53 inches.
-one user compared the strength increase to halotestin.
Increases in mass were also reported by our internal testers including 10lbs weight gain in 10 days with what appears to be 0 BF% increase."

100 lbs increase in deads in 4 days??? 10 lbs increase in muscle mass in 10 days with zero fat gain (a pound of muscle PER DAY)??? This was the promotion for the original Follidrone. I can't even imagine how much better the 2.0 is!

Look, I don't know if the product works because I haven't tried it but when I see stuff like this I'll most likely never try it. Like I said before, I dislike Black Lion Research's marketing because I believe it alienates serious athletes who bust their asses in the gym to make those kind of gains, and quite frankly, it's insulting to them.
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Thank you sir, the more i look into this brand the more dissatisfied i am with their marketing tactics. Hell the new version of follidrone costs the same as the first version. I would feel pretty pissed off as a consumer seeing that, i mean how much overs was i paying for just plain old (-)-epicatechin.

I think i will stick with forum tried and true products like Diesel.
 
illuminatty said:
Thank you sir, the more i look into this brand the more dissatisfied i am with their marketing tactics. Hell the new version of follidrone costs the same as the first version. I would feel pretty pissed off as a consumer seeing that, i mean how much overs was i paying for just plain old (-)-epicatechin.

I think i will stick with forum tried and true products like Diesel.
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You probably noticed bigsmall and his over the top sales pitch of everything BLR. That type of stuff irritates the hell out of me. Especially when you are condescending about it
 
What I like about BLR is they are at least innovative and original, they're not just a copycat blend and honestly rep or not, you see a lot of their products flat out work for people. When they came out with follidrone it was one of the first supplements that utilized epicatechin, which nowadays is known by many as the best natty product on the market. I do agree some of the claims are a bit absurd, but with that being said they deserve some credit IMO.
 
ryane87 said:
Consumers are idiots. And to your point, people thinking they are going to get ph like results (which is what people think when said marketer touts anywhere from 13 to 27lbs of muscle) is their own fault for not researching.

That is why honest logs and reviews are so important. When you are trying to research, you are going to look at logs and reviews. And when you listen to people like bigsmall go over the top about a product, you think you are getting straight from the source unicorn blood.

I have no doubt it can elicit some kind of positive effects, but if you are going to talk shyt to people and tell other reps rhey need to try it to get on board this magical train, that is where my problem lies. The way bigsmall defends this product, it sounds like he put on the supposed 27lbs in clean weight and the 100 lbs on his deadz....
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Bud I did not go over the top - its a great product. And don't put words in my mouth. I never claimed ph like gains lol. But I did claim to try everything else on the market over the past 30 years and find this product (and other BLR products like Letrone) stand out. So I am excited for the community of folks that use natural supplements and for what a company like BLR is doing for our community. Casting judgement against a product you have not tried makes you look like a ?
 
ryane87 said:
80 vs 100. I will save 20 bucks wherever I can. Especially for close to the same results...;)
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Alphamax is cheaper cause its been out quite a while. It's normal in the industry for the latest greatest stuff is at least slightly higher in price. Alphamax and Folidrone 2.0 are very different products and again if you have not tried a product, how do you 'know' the results?
 
Cooter Flap said:
Exactly and then they will bash a product for not doing what it says, now with that being said I don't waste a lot of money on natty products. I do plan on trying out ARA, but other than that I will save up for my cycles
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You'll love ARA. Stacks great with cheap PA.
 
They were responsible for bringing the extract to the market, the over the topness of his statements bug me. Or when he backtracks over his own statements. I don't doubt the products work, just not in his over the top manor
 
bigsmall said:
Bud I did not go over the top - its a great product. And don't put words in my mouth. I never claimed ph like gains lol. But I did claim to try everything else on the market over the past 30 years and find this product (and other BLR products like Letrone) stand out. So I am excited for the community of folks that use natural supplements and for what a company like BLR is doing for our community. Casting judgement against a product you have not tried makes you look like a ?
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So saying I am not going to gain 27 lbs in 8 weeks is casting judgement? Well no shyt sherlock. I do not believe whatsoever that I will put on 27 lbs or add 100 lbs to my deadz in a week. If that is casting judgement for not believing over the top claims, then so be it. I'm an a....but it is better to be a smart a than a dumb a
 
ryane87 said:
They were responsible for bringing the extract to the market, the over the topness of his statements bug me. Or when he backtracks over his own statements. I don't doubt the products work, just not in his over the top manor
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BLR was not the first to bring epicatechin to the market.
 
bigsmall said:
Alphamax is cheaper cause its been out quite a while. It's normal in the industry for the latest greatest stuff is at least slightly higher in price. Alphamax and Folidrone 2.0 are very different products and again if you have not tried a product, how do you 'know' the results?
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While I have not tried both, I know AlphaMax was never marketed over the top with outlandish claims. The reps recommend it a lot, sure, as you would expect, but they also don't tell you it is going to give ph-type results. I buy more into honesty than hype
 
I'm having bad flashbacks to methoxy. For a brief period that was today's epicatechin. A company once reached out to me years ago on another forum about their methoxy product. The product was hugely popular at the time. They sent me the product for free and asked me to review it. Let's just say that after I reviewed their product I was never asked to do another review again. All I know is that if I owned a product as good as BSL claims Follidrone to be I would put my money where my mouth is - money back guarantee.
 
210LBS said:
I'm having bad flashbacks to methoxy. For a brief period that was today's epicatechin. A company once reached out to me years ago on another forum about their methoxy product. The product was hugely popular at the time. They sent me the product for free and asked me to review it. Let's just say that after I reviewed their product I was never asked to do another review again. All I know is that if I owned a product as good as BSL claims Follidrone to be I would put my money where my mouth is - money back guarantee.
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Man, do you ever sound like a Troll lol
 
I believe follidrone is over hyped, for sure. I also believe that some people won't put in the work and will say a product sucks. However, plenty of others (like me sometimes) will want to believe a product works so badly, the placebo effect can be huge.

I will say the only BLR product I have used is exotherm and I did try it a second time. The results are subtle, but it does seem to help just a little. Nothing great but subtle. Most supplements are comets junk and obviously not worth the money, but exotherm in my mind is in the realm of, it does something but it may be so small it isn't worth the price.

I do believe BLR is fairly innovative though.

I am finishing up a cut and once I reach my goal, I am hopping on an 8 week run of Evomuse BMP, followed by FD2.0 for 8 weeks and then 8 weeks of origin. I got the FD2.0 for $75 with 20% off. It is cheap enough that it is worth trying, BUT I doubt it'll even help me gaim 10 pounds and would be happy with even 2 pounds of obvious, solid muscle gain.
 
I wouldn't pay straight up money for it either. At your price you are getting it at, I would definitely try. As with all natty supps, I wouldn't be expecting anything over the top
 
Agreed I would never buy a natty for full price, not paying more than $40 for a months supply ever lol
 
Maybe he should offer an inside deal for $60-70 to get some more people to review it if it's a good product. He wouldn't be losing money and it would be at the price a bunch of us wouldn't pass up to try something for 2 months.
 
HIT4ME said:
Maybe he should offer an inside deal for $60-70 to get some more people to review it if it's a good product. He wouldn't be losing money and it would be at the price a bunch of us wouldn't pass up to try something for 2 months.
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While I agree again... it'll never happen as long as people continue to buy it at full price.
 
nutri verse has 20% off quite often that can be applied to discounted '2 packs' etc.. for BLR, OL and a few other vendors.
 
I'm using a bevy of BLR products in my PCT. I'm 9 days in and have dropped weight but kept gains and strength has improved.

Just hit a turning point.

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BLR
  • Rebirth - has been compared to Nolva.
  • Letrone (AI)
  • Viron (Test base)
  • OL Test1fy
  • Prolactrone (obvious)
  • And Follidrone 2.0

Of course a SERM - clomid

Post PCT running a 6 week cut with BLRs
  • Exotherm
  • Incinderine
  • Follidrone 2.0
  • Viron


Iron Legion's
  • Invictus / VII-KT

OL
  • Sup3r DHEA


Then bridge to a winter bulk. Not sure, but I am liking this PCT so far!

Cheers!
 
The Clomid is putting your T to top-of-range (most likely) - which will be the heavy hitter for fat loss/LBM retention. Can't really judge natty products when confounded by Rx Drugs. But cool that you are keeping/improving, awesome.
 
If -(-)Epi was an awesome Myostatin inhibitor, you'd keep seeing the research results from people/orgs that did the earlier mouse/old people study that kicked this all off... but we aren't. You can be darn sure anyone who sells it, would post the results. I stopped following the research (if any continued), so if I'm wrong, I'd love to investigate further (links?).
 
I think there were at least one of the logs that included bloods pre and post use.

I'm sure they will chime in. I recall reading some conservative logs that inspired my trial. What centers around the effectiveness is always the bioavailability of a supp.

Likening it to DHEA being best delivered by trans but ingestion is a mere 1-2% of bio as an example.

-(-epi) has to bypass the stomach or be pissed away. This I think is better accomplished based on my own reading of the available material.

I'm no expert here. I'm learning daily and am receptive to argument as my interest lie in both theory and testing.

Hopefully I will show longer run results past PCT and into the cut run when the clomid is phased out. 6 weeks past PCT I will continue FD2 and then get bloods after a week or two.

Thoughts?
 
The_Old_Guy said:
If -(-)Epi was an awesome Myostatin inhibitor, you'd keep seeing the research results from people/orgs that did the earlier mouse/old people study that kicked this all off... but we aren't. You can be darn sure anyone who sells it, would post the results. I stopped following the research (if any continued), so if I'm wrong, I'd love to investigate further (links?).
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If you check out the promos on Follidrone you will see pictures of what happens to animals when you block myostatin. Sure, those animals they showed were genetically modified in a lab (which I'm sure they don't tell you), but I'm sure they would have received the same results using Follidrone 2X per day. The whole myostatin thing became another marketing gimmick after that muscular German kid was found to have a genetic mutation that blocked myostatin - supplement companies loved it.
 
210LBS said:
If you check out the promos on Follidrone... cut short
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I'm a customer of BLR testing their products for myself, but there are conservative logs with bloods to show effectiveness. It's the reason I am testing how effective it is from me. I based this on well established and trusted members of this group.

You however have 38 posts with a majority questioning this product. I don't know you. Nobody does.
Your entry into his discussion has a low resonance of shill. Please enlighten us.
 
justhere4comm said:
I'm a customer of BLR testing their products for myself, but there are conservative logs with bloods to show effectiveness. It's the reason I am testing how effective it is from me. I based this on well established and trusted members of this group.

You however have 38 posts with a majority questioning this product. I don't know you. Nobody does.
Your entry into his discussion has a low resonance of shill. Please enlighten us.
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I've read reviews too on Follidrone and I've never seen a more disconnect between them before since the introduction of methoxy. I have made it very clear that I've never tried their products. And yes, sometimes I tell people that the claims are ridiculous - and that includes everything from the strength gains down to the science of blocking myostatin. Some people here toss it up to marketing, I call it lying to the face of your customers - maybe they're the same thing. If people who have used their products have had success than I hope they continue to share their experience and vice versa.
 
I enjoyed -(-epi) .
 
Strength gains, body composition, gained couple pounds. Used Follidrone and Epi-Plex.
 
Admin said:
Strength gains, body composition, gained couple pounds. Used Follidrone and Epi-Plex.
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I'm assuming you used them on a bulk? Anecdotally, I seem to have seen the biggest benefit was increase in endurance. That was the most main constant I think I've seen.
 
I don't bulk.
 
justhere4comm said:
I think there were at least one of the logs that included bloods pre and post use.

I'm sure they will chime in. I recall reading some conservative logs that inspired my trial. What centers around the effectiveness is always the bioavailability of a supp.

Likening it to DHEA being best delivered by trans but ingestion is a mere 1-2% of bio as an example.

-(-epi) has to bypass the stomach or be pissed away. This I think is better accomplished based on my own reading of the available material.

I'm no expert here. I'm learning daily and am receptive to argument as my interest lie in both theory and testing.

Hopefully I will show longer run results past PCT and into the cut run when the clomid is phased out. 6 weeks past PCT I will continue FD2 and then get bloods after a week or two.
Thoughts?
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What exactly are you testing for? And what products are you hypothesising will impact on which baselines? You're running so many different products its hard to see how you will be able to tie or ascribe any improvements to a particular product
 
ucheoma said:
What exactly are you testing for? And what products are you hypothesising will impact on which baselines? You're running so many different products its hard to see how you will be able to tie or ascribe any improvements to a particular product
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Let me get back to you. Busy day but solid question. The answer is in my 6 day cut.

Bbl.
 
bb333 said:
Of the two, which did you prefer?
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Was tough to tell. Started with Follidrone then went into Epi-Plex. Initial results came and continued. My goals and diet aren't really catered to bulking or putting on any serious weight so I liked what I saw given those restrictions.
 
The testing really comes into play now during the cut phase. Post *PCT. 6 week cut using FD2, test base and some cutting OTC supps. All from BLR except one.

So. FD2
Exotherm
Incinderine
Sup3r DHEA

This is where I think it will pull together nicely with my diet dialed in and routine.

Bloods will help gauge but so will the outcome.

Best
M

* PCT was chosen based on my research of all products involved and their synergy when combined. I only have a few overlapping element which were mostly conflicted by introducing clomid.

One is complimentary (Rebirth) so technically I could leave out Viron and Test1fy while not effecting my course.

Other than speeding up the process.
FD2 is at least giving me the aforementioned endurance. My strength is up and am feeling great.

I have experience using Letrone. Helped drop my E2 solo from 92 to 50 in less than 30 days.

BLR makes solid supps.
 
Admin said:
Was tough to tell. Started with Follidrone then went into Epi-Plex. Initial results came and continued. My goals and diet aren't really catered to bulking or putting on any serious weight so I liked what I saw given those restrictions.
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Have you tried Folidrone 2.0?
 
210LBS said:
I agree but they shouldn't expect serious athletes and bodybuilders to buy or help promote their products when they claim:

"In addition our internal testers reported serious strength gains including-
-100lb increase in Deadlift in 4 days
-20lbs per arm on DB incline press in 10 days.
-6 inch gain on vert jump to 53 inches.
-one user compared the strength increase to halotestin.
Increases in mass were also reported by our internal testers including 10lbs weight gain in 10 days with what appears to be 0 BF% increase."

100 lbs increase in deads in 4 days??? 10 lbs increase in muscle mass in 10 days with zero fat gain (a pound of muscle PER DAY)??? This was the promotion for the original Follidrone. I can't even imagine how much better the 2.0 is!

Look, I don't know if the product works because I haven't tried it but when I see stuff like this I'll most likely never try it. Like I said before, I dislike Black Lion Research's marketing because I believe it alienates serious athletes who bust their asses in the gym to make those kind of gains, and quite frankly, it's insulting to them.
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210LBS No where have I seen Brundel claim that someone added 100lbs in 4 days. I have seen him say they added 100lbs to their deadlift AFTER running it for 8+ weeks. As far as the weight gain in 10 days, I personally and my gym partner both gained weight within 2 weeks of starting Folli 2.0. 6lbs for me and 7.4lbs for him. Both taken first thing in the morning on empty stomach. Whether it be from increased glycogen storage or water retention, who knows.
ryane87 said:
So saying I am not going to gain 27 lbs in 8 weeks is casting judgement? Well no shyt sherlock. I do not believe whatsoever that I will put on 27 lbs or add 100 lbs to my deadz in a week. If that is casting judgement for not believing over the top claims, then so be it. I'm an a....but it is better to be a smart a than a dumb a
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ryane87 I actually saw the original post where the 27lb gain claim came from. It was not from Brundel but a guy on the forums who said his little brother who I think was 17 years old put on 27lbs. Brundel only quoted feed back he was given. The post is in the BLR thread, you can look it up if so inclined.

Of all the BLR products I have tried, the only one I really like is Follidrone. Easily one of my favorite supplements ever. Endurance and strength gains are amazing. Can't compare to anything hormonal as Ive never crossed over to the dark side. But the product works. There were hit and misses with some people. Some people didn't get anything from Folli but some responded to OL epi product. Vice versa, some responded to folli and not OL epi product.


I DON'T REP FOR BLR. Actually didn't get anything from Letrone or Rebirth. But Folli 2.0 is in my opinion, the best natty supplement on the market.
 
mechka_grizli said:
210LBS No where have I seen Brundel claim that someone added 100lbs in 4 days. I have seen him say they added 100lbs to their deadlift AFTER running it for 8+ weeks. As far as the weight gain in 10 days, I personally and my gym partner both gained weight within 2 weeks of starting Folli 2.0. 6lbs for me and 7.4lbs for him. Both taken first thing in the morning on empty stomach. Whether it be from increased glycogen storage or water retention, who knows.
ryane87 I actually saw the original post where the 27lb gain claim came from. It was not from Brundel but a guy on the forums who said his little brother who I think was 17 years old put on 27lbs. Brundel only quoted feed back he was given. The post is in the BLR thread, you can look it up if so inclined.

Of all the BLR products I have tried, the only one I really like is Follidrone. Easily one of my favorite supplements ever. Endurance and strength gains are amazing. Can't compare to anything hormonal as Ive never crossed over to the dark side. But the product works. There were hit and misses with some people. Some people didn't get anything from Folli but some responded to OL epi product. Vice versa, some responded to folli and not OL epi product.


I DON'T REP FOR BLR. Actually didn't get anything from Letrone or Rebirth. But Folli 2.0 is in my opinion, the best natty supplement on the market.
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My whole point is that he still used it and didn't bother to qualify until after something was said. I never said they don't work. I said the price and marketing were ridiculous. Really, in the end, my biggest issue was the guy being a condescending d-bag to people who were even remotely skeptical
 
ryane87 said:
My whole point is that he still used it and didn't bother to qualify until after something was said. I never said they don't work. I said the price and marketing were ridiculous. Really, in the end, my biggest issue was the guy being a condescending d-bag to people who were even remotely skeptical
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I've never read anything condescending from him and it is his genuine open responses which made my interest peak.

So, I had to read everything I could about BLR and FD2. I have only read about a few non responders but the majority love it. So much so it has been nominated as supplement of the year by many.

Why do you suppose that is?
It isn't marketing. Not with this group of "tell it like it is".

This is why I am here. I want to be challenged. I'm no expert and leave my ego at the door.

My body comes first.

Edit: You have an axe to grind. Not in here.
 
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