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CJNator said:
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I'm try to communicate with 3 people and read what is posted, I didn't mean to hurt your feelings by missing your post. I'll go back to find it, anyways everyone is misinterpreting my stance so I'll reword it. Racism is a issue BUT not a legitimate issue. It can only be solved on a individual level with growth of knowledge. This post shows that racism is still a issue but it has declined over 20 years which basically states how Us culture has changed since the 1900s.

There is more in depth behind racism which can be pinpointed as a legitimate issue.
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America is the most compassionate and least racist country on the planet when it comes to minorities.

We really have many more far bigger issues to worry about such as auditing the Federal Reserve and stopping Hitlery and Dump from becoming president, but George Soros and Obama are good at racial division, distractions and other jedi mind tricks.
 
Anyone else excited to see the pissing match/naming calling fest that will be the presidential debates in 2 and half hours.

I hate that this is what is likely to happen with the people running for the powerful person in the world
 
Canada has a very small percentage of minorities. It is a very white nation.

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ax1 said:
America is the most compassionate and least racist country on the planet when it comes to minorities.

We really have many more far bigger issues to worry about such as auditing the Federal Reserve and stopping Hitlery and Dump from becoming president, but George Soros and Obama are good at racial division, distractions and other jedi mind tricks.
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This is exactly what I'm trying to say, the issue goes far beyond racism therefore I concluded its not a legitimate issue.
 
rtmilburn said:
Anyone else excited to see the pissing match/naming calling fest that will be the presidential debates in 2 and half hours.

I hate that this is what is likely to happen with the people running for the powerful person in the world
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Its a catastrophe that its only two people up there.
 
Misfit28 said:
Lmao. Pls go.
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So racism is at an all time low in US yet institutionalize racism still exists? You and jizz posted good articles but none that prove racism to be a legitimate issue. Simple words can be used to state information yet the other guys just throw ad hominems and attempt to discredit my state instead to proving their own correct. I'll end this here.
 
CJNator said:
So racism is at an all time low in US yet institutionalize racism still exists? You and jizz posted good articles but none that prove racism to be a legitimate issue. Simple words can be used to state information yet the other guys just throw ad hominems and attempt to discredit my state instead to proving their own correct. I'll end this here.
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From what I can tell, nothing will convince you. Why should I waste my time?
 
Misfit28 said:
From what I can tell, nothing will convince you. Why should I waste my time?
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I never said you need to but you were productive with the time spent. I wont discredit any information posted or your stance on the specific issue at hand because I do understand yet I go about thinking differently. I'm not trying to be convinced nor am I trying to win, it's all about gaining knowledge. I discredit any unproductive statements due to the childish mannerism.
 
CJNator said:
So racism is at an all time low in US yet institutionalize racism still exists? You and jizz posted good articles but none that prove racism to be a legitimate issue. Simple words can be used to state information yet the other guys just throw ad hominems and attempt to discredit my state instead to proving their own correct. I'll end this here.
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Please, state exactly what makes it not a legitimate issue because the only thing I'm seeing is a green eggs and ham defense. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it so.
 
This is from the Daily Beast, so some might see it was biased. It gives some good examples of how institutional racism can be difficult to detect.

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Rodja said:
Please, state exactly what makes it not a legitimate issue because the only thing I'm seeing is a green eggs and ham defense. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it so.
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Well it's at an all time low according to this link Invalid Link Removed so eventually it MAY dissipate.

On another note I personally do not see any issue that isn't violent or go against natural law legitimate. A legitimate issue would be the growing welfare state, growing police militarization, the petrodollar, ending the Fed, the socialization of America, etc....
 
CJNator said:
There is no data proving ANYTHING has racial tendencies behind it, there is no way. How can someone prove something has racial tendencies behind it?
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CJNator said:
So racism is at an all time low in US yet institutionalize racism still exists?
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Real simple question for you. How are YOU measuring racism to make a statement such as "racism is at an all time low" when you previously said that nobody can prove racism exists? If something can't be proven, how are you possibly quantifying it?
 
CJNator said:
There is no data proving ANYTHING has racial tendencies behind it, there is no way. How can someone prove something has racial tendencies behind it? The data provided shows a gap within the wages but doesn't go in depth with the issue. Even if said employers have racial tendencies, how can this be proven?
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CJNator said:
Well it's at an all time low according to this link Invalid Link Removed so eventually it MAY dissipate.

On another note I personally do not see any issue that isn't violent or go against natural law legitimate. A legitimate issue would be the growing welfare state, growing police militarization, the petrodollar, ending the Fed, the socialization of America, etc....
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So then this is all your opinion and nothing else? Why are you asking others to provide studies when you're just stating your opinion?
 
Misfit28 said:
This is from the Daily Beast, so some might see it was biased. It gives some good examples of how institutional racism can be difficult to detect.

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That's one perspective on that issue which is logical, same issue different perspective in this article. Invalid Link Removed
 
Aleksandar37 said:
Real simple question for you. How are YOU measuring racism to make a statement such as "racism is at an all time low" when you previously said that nobody can prove racism exists? If something can't be proven, how are you possibly quantifying it?
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Socially speaking(hence sociology)it's at an all time low but logically speak it can't be proven,

rac·ism
ˈrāˌsizəm/
noun
the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.

prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

I'm saying you cannot prove someone beliefs unless said individual states it so. Even collectively speaking, unless the majority of a collective is openly racist, said collective cannot be proven racist.
 
CJNator said:
One part is my opinion, the other shows its on a decline therefore is should not be a legitimate issue.
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No, it's all your opinion and you are cherry picking the studies that support your opinion while simultaneously telling other that studies cannot possibly be valid. You're the first year grad student in the Harvard bar scene in Good Will Hunting. You have a few large words that you keep repeating to try and impress people, but you don't fully understand the concepts that you're debating. So you can take this as an ad hominem attack, but you don't know what you're talking about and are in way over your head.
 
Misfit28 said:
This is from the Daily Beast, so some might see it was biased. It gives some good examples of how institutional racism can be difficult to detect.

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Real tyranny is when you go to work, and you cant even keep the fruits of your very own labor. People being racist idiots and human filth should not be the primary focus of BLM's, but the true human filth that fills the Federal Reserve and private IRS, but I bet 99% of them who vote will vote for politicians that really rape black people of Liberty and Freedom.
 
CJNator said:
Well it's at an all time low according to this link Invalid Link Removed so eventually it MAY dissipate.

On another note I personally do not see any issue that isn't violent or go against natural law legitimate. A legitimate issue would be the growing welfare state, growing police militarization, the petrodollar, ending the Fed, the socialization of America, etc....
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So the study that you post somehow overrides the others posted? Also, have anything that isn't a generation old?
 
CJNator said:
Well it's at an all time low according to this link Invalid Link Removed so eventually it MAY dissipate.

On another note I personally do not see any issue that isn't violent or go against natural law legitimate. A legitimate issue would be the growing welfare state, growing police militarization, the petrodollar, ending the Fed, the socialization of America, etc....
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Racism is only not an issue for those unaffected by it or least affected by it. If you take something like the job market, which i'm sure you can agree is a legitimate issue and concern for many people, racially motivated employment is still an issue.

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It is also unlawful to discriminate on the basis of race, so that in of itself is unlawful.
 
Aleksandar37 said:
No, it's all your opinion and you are cherry picking the studies that support your opinion while simultaneously telling other that studies cannot possibly be valid. You're the first year grad student in the Harvard bar scene in Good Will Hunting. You have a few large words that you keep repeating to try and impress people, but you don't fully understand the concepts that you're debating. So you can take this as an ad hominem attack, but you don't know what you're talking about and are in way over your head.
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What did I cherry pick and what big words am I saying? My opinion is that there are other issues that are legitimate, it's my opinion because legitimacy is subjective. I never stated a study is invalid, I only stated the flaws because there were flaws. You're just creating things from your perspective in this little debate without contributing anything to it so yes this is an ad hominem. Instead of building an attack on me from your perspective how about contribute any information you have to back up your belief.
 
Jiigzz said:
Racism is only not an issue for those unaffected by it or least affected by it. If you take something like the job market, which i'm sure you can agree is a legitimate issue and concern for many people, racially motivated employment is still an issue.

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It is also unlawful to discriminate on the basis of race, so that in of itself is unlawful.
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The first article is based in Australia which is a different culture, the 2nd one I need to buy the pdf file, and the page can't be found for the 3rd one. I'll never say it doesn't exist, I'm sure it's everywhere but also you have to also look at classism too, which would be more likely to effect the market since most people just want to make money.
 
CJNator said:
What did I cherry pick and what big words am I saying? My opinion is that there are other issues that are legitimate, it's my opinion because legitimacy is subjective. I never stated a study is invalid, I only stated the flaws because there were flaws. You're just creating things from your perspective in this little debate without contributing anything to it so yes this is an ad hominem. Instead of building an attack on me from your perspective how about contribute any information you have to back up your belief.
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I love your logic. It's not an issue to you so it's not a legitimate issue.

I really don't think you even know what an ad hominem is. If anything, you're just trying to pull a fallacies fallacy.
 
Rodja said:
I love your logic. It's not an issue to you so it's not a legitimate issue.

I really don't think you even know what an ad hominem is. If anything, you're just trying to pull a fallacies fallacy.
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I love the information you've contributed, yea I've dealt with racism within my life but I don't care. Look at it this way

Nationalism = Hate = Racism

Do you understand now? Racism is the product of certain ideologies so why would racism be the issue when this ideology promotes hate?
 
Also look at it this way, people complain about immigrants and illegal immigrants getting welfare yet they choose to what to close the border and hate Mexicans instead of using that energy towards the government.
 
CJNator said:
Misfit28 for example like this, this is childish mannerism which is counter productive to gaining any knowledge, whether it's a little or a lot.
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Dude you're an ignorant idiot plain and simple. Again, just shut your mouth already.

I have no idea why people keep debating in this thread at all. Nobody is gaining knowledge in here ffs.
 
Gutterpump said:
Dude you're an ignorant idiot plain and simple. Again, just shut your mouth already.

I have no idea why people keep debating in this thread at all. Nobody is gaining knowledge in here ffs.
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Why so hostile? Does this subject trigger you? Want me to call a waaabulance for you or will you just crawl into your safe space?
 
CJNator said:
Why so hostile? Does this subject trigger you? Want me to call a waaabulance for you or will you just crawl into your safe space?
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It's impossible to debate with ignorant people. You guys keep spinning your wheels in here, to no avail. It's ridiculous. What is the point?

I don't get triggered or need safe spaces. And I won't go away. I'll keep coming in here and calling people out on their ignorant bull$hit. So get used to it.
 
Gutterpump said:
It's impossible to debate with ignorant people. You guys keep spinning your wheels in here, to no avail. It's ridiculous. What is the point?

I don't get triggered or need safe spaces. And I won't go away. I'll keep coming in here and calling people out on their ignorant bull$hit. So get used to it.
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You're not debating at all and I don't care what you do, I've already got use to trolls so you're all good .
 
CJNator said:
I love the information you've contributed, yea I've dealt with racism within my life but I don't care. Look at it this way

Nationalism = Hate = Racism

Do you understand now? Racism is the product of certain ideologies so why would racism be the issue when this ideology promotes hate?
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I presented examples of prevalent racism in our history that you ignored.

You're seriously trying to straw man the crap out of this and it's gotten really sad.
 
CJNator said:
Also look at it this way, people complain about immigrants and illegal immigrants getting welfare yet they choose to what to close the border and hate Mexicans instead of using that energy towards the government.
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Wait, wait, wait....did you just use an example of prevalent racism in our country to show that racism isn't an issue?
 
Rodja said:
Wait, wait, wait....did you just use an example of prevalent racism in our country to show that racism isn't an issue?
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Is that what reverse-racism is? In all seriousness though, I've never understood the term "reverse racism." It seems to me that this term implies that "racism" only applies from white to black, hence the need for a "reverse racism." In reality, anyone can be racist towards any group; it's still racism, not reverse racism or sideways racism or some other made up term. Of course, historically in the US, the majority of racism has been white against black, but other types of racism do exist. Anyway, that's my sort of unrelated rant for the day.
 
CJNator said:
You're not debating at all and I don't care what you do, I've already got use to trolls so you're all good .
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And you are an a$$hole, and there's no need to be polite to a$$holes. The minute you claimed there is no issue with racism in this country, you showed how much of an a$$hole you really are. This isn't trolling btw. Trolling requires a level of 'buying in' to bait someone. I'm being straight forward with you.
 
Rodja said:
Wait, wait, wait....did you just use an example of prevalent racism in our country to show that racism isn't an issue?
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I never said it wasn't a issue and I've said that several times, certain ideologies promote racism. The issue isn't the racism but the ideology.
 
Rodja said:
I presented examples of prevalent racism in our history that you ignored.

You're seriously trying to straw man the crap out of this and it's gotten really sad.
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And I've presented an article stating the decline of racism within US history. Actually 2 articles.
 
This thread just needs shut down lol.
 
Gutterpump said:
And you are an a$$hole, and there's no need to be polite to a$$holes. The minute you claimed there is no issue with racism in this country, you showed how much of an a$$hole you really are. This isn't trolling btw. Trolling requires a level of 'buying in' to bait someone. I'm being straight forward with you.
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Just because racism is on the decline, and I'd say that it is on the decline compared to where it used to be, doesn't mean that it isn't an issue. I'm not really sure why there's even an argument about this. Now, to be a bit more controversial, I'm not a big fan of affirmative action, as it is by definition a discriminatory practice, as any time you give preferential treatment to one group, you discriminate against another. Perhaps a more interesting and relevant discussion than "is racism still an issue" (it is), is "is affirmative action still necessary."
 
CJNator said:
I never said it wasn't a issue and I've said that several times, certain ideologies promote racism. The issue isn't the racism but the ideology.
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Dude, within the same post you contradict yourself. This right here is why everybody is getting frustrated with trying to debate you. You start off this post saying that you "never said it wasn't a issue", but then in the very next sentence say "the issue isn't the racism." Do you really not see that you are stating both sides?
 
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Aleksandar37 said:
Dude, withing the same post you contradict yourself. This right here is why everybody is getting frustrated with trying to debate you. You start off this post saying that you "never said it wasn't a issue", but then in the very next sentence say "the issue isn't the racism." Do you really not see that you are stating both sides?
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Sort of sounds like a politician, haha.
 
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