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Abused my PH cycle and now have PCT concerns.

LexPisoni

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I've been lifting for 10 years and have a pretty decent frame but TBH knew f all about PH's. I admittingly screwed up and started taking what I thought was just a test boost and found out at week 2 it was a PH and a pretty potent one. It was moderately high methyl based and instructed 2 tabs a day for 8 weeks. How I ended up dosing was 1 pill per day in the first week, 2 pills in 2nd and 3rd week and 1 pill in the last week. I started taking on cycle support starting week 2 with ARIMACARE PRO, extra tudca, hawthorn berry and celery root. I did stop after 4 weeks and got blood tests done which showed my test levels almost at zero and very high liver enzymes, along with high blood pressure.

I've been on PCT for 1.5 weeks now and just hoping to get some advice. I'm still taking my on cycle support and will probably run out at the 2.5 weeks mark. My PCT products are Blacklion Rebirth (estrogen modulator) and Letrone (AI). I was in a rush to get PCT and would not have been able to get anything like nolva/clomid quick enough. I have also been taking a Laxogenin and Arimistane combination product which I had already bought through the same company that sold me the PH. I guess my concern is, now 1.5 weeks after stopping, I feel fantastic and my strength levels are still going up. I gained 5kg in those 4 weeks but this has now gone down to a 4kg gain (noticed a lot of the bloating is going down so I know it's water). I now know that during PCT most people are meant to feel like ****, strength goes down for most - However I'm feeling the opposite. Can anyone please let me know if this sounds right? I just don't know if it would be more beneficial to try to drop any of the things I'm taking (thinking the laxo and arim).
 
Well if I was you id hop on a SERM when you can. I'd take the bloodwork maybe a month post pct if you want to see improvement on lipid levels. As far as how you feel it will change on week 3-4 if your test levels fall below the normal range. What did your doc say? I'm on the same boat FYI.
 
goodvibes said:
Well if I was you id hop on a SERM when you can. I'd take the bloodwork maybe a month post pct if you want to see improvement on lipid levels. As far as how you feel it will change on week 3-4 if your test levels fall below the normal range. What did your doc say? I'm on the same boat FYI.
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Hey man, thanks for the reply. Rebirth is meant to be a SERM, they call it 'the only OTC of this kind' - but who really knows. The company rep through Facebook seemed very helpful and knowledgeable though. Actually already have it booked for another blood test at the 6 week mark after stopping the PH but my anxiety if I'm on the right track is brutal. My doc, he is a cool guy but doesn't know much about compounds and these type of products so not really that helpful, all he really said was you have to get off these products immediately.
 
I haven't researched the compound on Rebirth but if you're off the methylated compound and you're not running a true SERM your values should get better in a few weeks. Your testosterone level might be ok or not, we will see when you get that 2nd lab work if Rebirth is doing its job.
 
LexPisoni said:
I've been lifting for 10 years and have a pretty decent frame but TBH knew f all about PH's. I admittingly screwed up and started taking what I thought was just a test boost and found out at week 2 it was a PH and a pretty potent one. It was moderately high methyl based and instructed 2 tabs a day for 8 weeks. How I ended up dosing was 1 pill per day in the first week, 2 pills in 2nd and 3rd week and 1 pill in the last week. I started taking on cycle support starting week 2 with ARIMACARE PRO, extra tudca, hawthorn berry and celery root. I did stop after 4 weeks and got blood tests done which showed my test levels almost at zero and very high liver enzymes, along with high blood pressure.

I've been on PCT for 1.5 weeks now and just hoping to get some advice. I'm still taking my on cycle support and will probably run out at the 2.5 weeks mark. My PCT products are Blacklion Rebirth (estrogen modulator) and Letrone (AI). I was in a rush to get PCT and would not have been able to get anything like nolva/clomid quick enough. I have also been taking a Laxogenin and Arimistane combination product which I had already bought through the same company that sold me the PH. I guess my concern is, now 1.5 weeks after stopping, I feel fantastic and my strength levels are still going up. I gained 5kg in those 4 weeks but this has now gone down to a 4kg gain (noticed a lot of the bloating is going down so I know it's water). I now know that during PCT most people are meant to feel like ****, strength goes down for most - However I'm feeling the opposite. Can anyone please let me know if this sounds right? I just don't know if it would be more beneficial to try to drop any of the things I'm taking (thinking the laxo and arim).
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How did you abuse the PH? You only used it a short time and a low dose?? I'm confused?
 
fdigioia99 said:
How did you abuse the PH? You only used it a short time and a low dose?? I'm confused?
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I'm sorry for upsetting you. What I meant was I didn't follow the instructions, in proper on cycle supplementation at start and not know what the product was I was taking.
 
LexPisoni said:
I'm sorry for upsetting you. What I meant was I didn't follow the instructions, in proper on cycle supplementation at start and not know what the product was I was taking.
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Confused and upset two different things. Lol! You will be fine you didn't abuse anything!
 
Yeah you came to the right spot! other than your doctor lol You're going to be just fine, like goodvibes said try and get ahold of a real serm and everything should be just about in the right spot in a month or so. Just glad you're not one of those guys who says he's been running a methyl for 12+ weeks and did a week long pct and is ready to jump back on lol.
 
You didn't plan for a PH cycle sounds more fitting. Ride it out and look after yourself. Eat healthy, sleep well and most of all don't worry//stress too much. Have some patience and your body will right itself in time.
 
Yo, yeah the 2 cap dosage was a total of M1-AD 20mg, Methyl Sten 7.5mg, DMZ 10mg, Carbopol 15mg.. so I think pretty strong in comparison to others.

My PCT concerns were that my strength is still going up which seems opposite to what I've read elsewhere. I'm down 1.5kg which is still an increase of 3.5kg since starting. Just want to try to keep some of the gains.
 
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