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Donald Trump running for president

Misfit28 said:
You're just trolling now :firedevil:
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This is how I feel....after a single day of honoring our troops on Memorial Day Obama and gay pride announce a whole month of gay pride.

Gay pride lost me, it's nothing but a political cesspool. They are VERY divisive.

Not all gays of course.
 
Come on Trump....you know better than that. They posted a fake photo-shopped forged birth certificate on the official White House website for heavens sake and even forgot to call him a "Negro" which was the term in '61 ROFL! We all know Obama perhaps was born in the US (although due to a Hawaiian loophole, all Hawaiian born citizens should officially not be able to run for President) but this issue is really about who Obama's real daddy is.

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ax1 said:
Come on Trump....you know better than that. They posted a fake photo-shopped forged birth certificate on the official White House website for heavens sake and even forgot to call him a "Negro" which was the term in '61 ROFL! We all know Obama perhaps was born in the US (although due to a Hawaiian loophole, all Hawaiian born citizens should officially not be able to run for President) but this issue is really about who Obama's real daddy is.

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Oh lord......

I can't even respond right now. Will this birther crap never die?!

Please explain why native born Hawaiians can't be president. I have to hear this one!
 
Misfit28 said:
Oh lord......

I can't even respond right now. Will this birther crap never die?!

Please explain why native born Hawaiians can't be president. I have to hear this one!
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They give them out to anyone not born there and make it as born in Hawaii regardless, I read it directly in the Hawaiian government website and the direct law.
 
ax1 said:
They give them out to anyone not born there and make it as born in Hawaii regardless, I read it directly in the Hawaiian government website and the direct law.
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Lol, ok. When you find it, post it up.

Sorry, I don't believe that.
 
ax1 said:
He moved there to be with his real father and mentor.
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Oh lawd. It's getting too crazy in here today.

For someone who advocates thinking for yourself, you sure rely on a lot of conspiracy theories and straight up denialism that was created by others.
 
Misfit28 said:
Lol, ok. When you find it, post it up.

Sorry, I don't believe that.
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Ah man....I dont have much time to get into this deep but Ill do this one time today.

Hawaiin birth certificate does not legally qualify as proof of place of birth.

Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an
adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue
a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been
submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual
while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory
or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately
preceding the birth or adoption of such child.

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Misfit28 said:
Oh lawd. It's getting too crazy in here today.

For someone who advocates thinking for yourself, you sure rely on a lot of conspiracy theories and straight up denialism that was created by others.
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He said in his own biography he moves to Chicago to be with his mentor frank, but hey Im just another sorely tin foil hat angry uneducated white American who clings to his barbells, protein shakes and atheism.
 
Misfit28 said:
Oh lawd. It's getting too crazy in here today.

For someone who advocates thinking for yourself, you sure rely on a lot of conspiracy theories and straight up denialism that was created by others.
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In before factcheck4shyt links, ROFL
 
Misfit28 said:
Lol, ok. When you find it, post it up.

Sorry, I don't believe that.
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Dont forget his grandfather was CIA (and his mother was with affiliated organizations,) government officials have more pull when it comes to loopholes, I promise you that.
 
What does everyone think about all the mysterious deaths and "suicides" surrounding past Clinton associates?

Pretty crazy if you read about how many of these people allegedly died.
 
ax1 said:
Ah man....I dont have much time to get into this deep but Ill do this one time today.

Hawaiin birth certificate does not legally qualify as proof of place of birth.

Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an
adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue
a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been
submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual
while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory
or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately
preceding the birth or adoption of such child.

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Isn't this just for children born out of state, not for children from an entirely different country or even born in another country?
 
Aleksandar37 said:
Isn't this just for children born out of state, not for children from an entirely different country or even born in another country?
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Thats the loophole, its not exactly defined. If he was born somewhere else anyways it may have been in Indonesia but I do think more than likely he was born in Hawaii.
 
SheddingSkin said:
What does everyone think about all the mysterious deaths and "suicides" surrounding past Clinton associates?

Pretty crazy if you read about how many of these people allegedly died.
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There are alot of them....also, look into the out of court settlements/payments Bill made to all his white house sexual assault accusers, thats interesting too.
 
ax1 said:
Ah man....I dont have much time to get into this deep but Ill do this one time today.

Hawaiin birth certificate does not legally qualify as proof of place of birth.

Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an
adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue
a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been
submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual
while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory
or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately
preceding the birth or adoption of such child.

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Maybe not that they were born in Hawaii, but I'm pretty sure "legal" means they are an American citizen. I would imagine that was for cases where someone was visiting the mainland and gave birth. They are still American citizens if they are born in the mainland.
 
Misfit28 said:
Anything I provided you would simply refute with your conspiracy "theories" :) No time for that today, anyway ;)
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Anything I provided you would simply refute with your conspiracy "theories" slogans towards your slorely uneducated angry white american buddy :) No time for that today, anyway ;)
 
Misfit28 said:
Anything I provided you would simply refute with your conspiracy "theories" :) No time for that today, anyway ;)
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It dont think you seem like you understand the concept of a loophole when it comes to laws especially the one I posted and how unattended births can easily slip into this loophole. All you have to do is provide evidence of territory as legal residence.
 
ax1 said:
It dont think you seem like you understand the concept of a loophole when it comes to laws especially the one I posted and how unattended births can easily slip into this loophole. All you have to do is provide evidence of territory as legal residence.
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Is there not another part of what I assume is a long legal document that says you have to be citizens of the US before you even get to that section?
 
Aleksandar37 said:
Is there not another part of what I assume is a long legal document that says you have to be citizens of the US before you even get to that section?
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Thats an excellent question, and I would hope so we would have to dig up the rest of the laws and also research how they apply during 1961 which is most important when investigating Obama specifically. I know the law I linked was last updated in 1981 and I heard prior it was for the most part similar.

I remember some other stuff with the certificate such as the hospital name which didnt exist until they merged 1976 or so...I used to be more interested in this way back.
 
ax1 said:
Thats an excellent question, and I would hope so we would have to dig up the rest of the laws and also research how they apply during 1961 which is most important when investigating Obama specifically. I know the law I linked was last updated in 1981 and I heard prior it was for the most part similar.

I remember some other stuff with the certificate such as the hospital name which didnt exist until they merged 1976 or so...I used to be more interested in this way back.
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Ah, here it is I posted this in my old 9/11 thread 4 years ago. Ill copy and paste.

Place of birth on birth certificate is “Kapi’olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital” when in 1961 it was called “KauiKeolani Children’s Hospital” and “Kapi’olani Maternity Home”. It didnt change until 1978 when the hospitals merged.

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ax1 said:
Ah, here it is I posted this in my old 9/11 thread 4 years ago. Ill copy and paste.

Place of birth on birth certificate is “Kapi’olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital” when in 1961 it was called “KauiKeolani Children’s Hospital” and “Kapi’olani Maternity Home”. It didnt change until 1978 when the hospitals merged.

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Damn, that link is dead but I clearly remember reading it has its history and merger all on that directly on their website.
 
Wow...just found a video with Obama speaking about Frank Marshall Davis (name in full!) from 1995 and how he was a significant influence on him in Hawaii. Ive only known the mention of "Frank" in his biography, but now the full name Frank Marshall Davis is 100000% confirmed by Obama himself...the same Frank he knew in Hawaii that is thought to be his mothers porno photography and Obama's natural father.

Keep in mind guys, whether its his real father or not (I say most likely is) Frank Marshall Davis, this guy was a communist and has a some 600 page FBI file on him and was on the watch list during the Cold War. Obama never mentions in the 1995 video that Frank was a communist or leftist, but there you go one of his top influences....is referred to as his "mentor" in his biography, that dude is a Communisty Party member. I feel like I found myself gold today :)

Frank is mentioned starting 8:37

 
ax1 said:
Wow...just found a video with Obama speaking about Frank Marshall Davis (name in full!) from 1995 and how he was a significant influence on him in Hawaii. Ive only known the mention of "Frank" in his biography, but now the full name Frank Marshall Davis is 100000% confirmed by Obama himself...the same Frank he knew in Hawaii that is thought to be his mothers porno photography and Obama's natural father.

Keep in mind guys, whether its his real father or not (I say most likely is) Frank Marshall Davis, this guy was a communist and has a some 600 page FBI file on him and was on the watch list during the Cold War. Obama never mentions in the 1995 video that Frank was a communist or leftist, but there you go one of his top influences....is referred to as his "mentor" in his biography, that dude is a Communisty Party member. I feel like I found myself gold today :)

Frank is mentioned starting 8:37

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So, this video proves that Frank is his father?
 
Misfit28 said:
So, this video proves that Frank is his father?
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No, I dont know for certain who his father is...but it debunks biased factshyt.coN's debunk jobs about the mention of Obama's mentor "Frank" in his autobiography linking that to CCCP member Frank M. Davis making Obama's communist influence far more established... thats gold to me.
 
ax1 said:
Damn, that link is dead but I clearly remember reading it has its history and merger all on that directly on their website.
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"The former Kapi'olani Maternity Home became the Kapi'olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital (where Barack Obama was born) in 1931, and it retained that appellation until 1971, when its name was shortened to Kapi'olani Hospital. The Kauikeolani Children's Hospital (where Barack Obama was not born) was a separate entity which merged with the Kapi'olani Hospital in 1978 to become the Kapi'olani Medical Center for Women and Children."

What would it matter anyway if your other conspiracy theory about his father is true. He was American, and his mother is American too.

Besides, that's just another theory you have adopted, it isn't YOUR theory. There was a film about it, right?
 
That video was a piece of evidence that had not shown to surface until 2015 on Cambridge Municipal Television aired it.....I was into this Frank Marshal Davis thing 4 years ago and this totally flew by my radar until Trump today came up with the Birther Statement and got me to look into this further again.
 
Misfit28 said:
"The former Kapi'olani Maternity Home became the Kapi'olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital (where Barack Obama was born) in 1931, and it retained that appellation until 1971, when its name was shortened to Kapi'olani Hospital. The Kauikeolani Children's Hospital (where Barack Obama was not born) was a separate entity which merged with the Kapi'olani Hospital in 1978 to become the Kapi'olani Medical Center for Women and Children."

What would it matter anyway if your other conspiracy theory about his father is true. He was American, and his mother is American too.

Besides, that's just another theory you have adopted, it isn't YOUR theory. There was a film about it, right?
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Ok, so Im going to believe your history over what I read directly on the Hospitals website about their own history. Good luck with that.
 
ax1 said:
Ok, so Im going to believe your history over what I read directly on the Hospitals website about their own history. Good luck with that.
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I don't think you believe anything real because I think you are insane, actually.

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Misfit28 said:
I don't think you believe anything real because you are insane, actually.

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Whats important to me was what was written on their website when I checked it 4 years ago when this first exploded on the internetz. It has specifics and timeframe of the name changes and it did not correlate with Obama's photoshopped certificate. They probably forced that hospital to edit it shortly after around the time they took out the official that confirmed the birth certificate by bringing her airplane down in Hawaii and start cleaning house.
 
ax1 said:
Whats important to me was what was written on their website when I checked it 4 years ago when this first exploded on the internetz. They probably forced that hospital to edit it shortly after around the time they took out the official that confirmed the birth certificate by bringing her airplane down in Hawaii and start cleaning house.
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Of course! They forced the hospital to edit it. That's the exact sh1t I expect from you :P

That's why conspiracy theories are so popular. You don't actually have to do real research, as it is a fantasy. No proof will ever disprove it. I could fly you out to Hawaii to look at the actual microfiche, and you still wouldn't believe it. Or even an actual newspaper article.
 
Misfit28 said:
Of course! They forced the hospital to edit it. That's the exact sh1t I expect from you :P

That's why conspiracy theories are so popular. You don't actually have to do real research, as it is a fantasy. No proof will ever disprove it.
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Im telling you what I read 4 years ago and its not the same. Your opinion is your opinion and I fine with it, it doesnt change the real facts of what I actually read directly on the official hospital website where the link was taken down. You dont have to believe me relax.
 
Misfit28 said:
Of course! They forced the hospital to edit it. That's the exact sh1t I expect from you :P

That's why conspiracy theories are so popular. You don't actually have to do real research, as it is a fantasy. No proof will ever disprove it. I could fly you out to Hawaii to look at the actual microfiche, and you still wouldn't believe it. Or even an actual newspaper article.
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Would you rather get into Lolo Soetoro, Obama's stepfather in indonesia who was both a Exxon excecutive and a General for one of the most brutal genocidalist dictators of the 20th century?
 
ax1 said:
Whats important to me was what was written on their website when I checked it 4 years ago when this first exploded on the internetz. It has specifics and timeframe of the name changes and it did not correlate with Obama's photoshopped certificate. They probably forced that hospital to edit it shortly after around the time they took out the official that confirmed the birth certificate by bringing her airplane down in Hawaii and start cleaning house.
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Check the Wayback Machine internet archives and see if they have anything archived from that long ago. It's pretty useful.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
Check the Wayback Machine internet archives and see if they have anything archived from that long ago. It's pretty useful.
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Ill give it a shot...of course big government can hack and edit that too though, I remember clearly what I read and what it meant but lets see.
 
ax1 said:
Im telling you what I read 4 years ago and its not the same. Your opinion is your opinion and I fine with it, it doesnt change the real facts of what I actually read directly on the official hospital website where the link was taken down. You dont have to believe me relax.
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All I know is that other people have posted their birth certificates around the same time and had the same hospital listing. It was also listed in social services listings in the state of Hawaii prior to 1961.
 
ax1 said:
Ill give it a shot...of course big government can hack and edit that too though, I remember clearly what I read and what it meant but lets see.
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Of course they can! Nothing is real! It is all an illusion created by the big government hacker overlords.

We aren't even really typing this right now, either.
 
Misfit28 said:
All I know is that other people have posted their birth certificates around the same time and had the same hospital listing. It was also listed in social services listings in the state of Hawaii prior to 1961.
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Im sure others had phony photoshopped crap too they posted on the netz to say hey its me!
 
ax1 said:
Im sure others had phony photoshopped crap too they posted on the netz to say hey its me!
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I'm sure.......:banghead:

WTF, man. Really? EVERY SINGLE piece of evidence I bring you say someone covered it up. It's pointless to try to even engage you in reasonable discourse.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
Check the Wayback Machine internet archives and see if they have anything archived from that long ago. It's pretty useful.
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Its taken down too. The whole website was changed as well, its totally wiped unless Im doing something wrong with wayback. It used to be called Invalid Link Removed but even that from 2011 redirects the new website.
 
Misfit28 said:
I'm sure.......:banghead:

WTF, man. Really? EVERY SINGLE piece of evidence I bring you say someone covered it up. It's pointless to try to even engage you in reasonable discourse.
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I have bought up the primary evidence directly from the whitehouse website and downloaded it. My PC friend tore it up into layers years ago. What evidence do you even have that stupid photoshopped Obama certificate exists outside of that? Unless he had a press even and flashed it.
 
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