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Beginner's 1st cycle! Am I missing anything??

aaa117

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Hey all,
I'm planning on starting my first ph cycle in a few weeks. Been spending a while researching, reading logs, etc. and here's what I came up with:

Week 1-4
  • Super Mandro (3 pills/ed)
  • Dermacrine (3 pumps/ed)
  • ProteX cycle assist (2 pills/ed)
  • Eradicate (3 pills/ed)

Week 5-8
  • BSL PCT V (2 pills/ed)
  • Tamoxifen Citrate (liquid) 20/20/10/10

I'm 21 years old & 6' tall, recently finished a cut and am currently around 170 lbs ~11% bf. My goal is to recomp, so I was thinking 200 cals over maintenance.
My reason for wanting to go with dermacrine over Andro the giant is I had some gyno during puberty and don't want to risk it flaring up again, and I believe deracrine is less likely to cause that. Is this correct? I am also thinking to take eradicate while on cycle for the same reason.
If possible, I'm even considering dropping the dermacrine and just addressing any lethargy with a good couple scoops of preworkout as needed.
Do any of you more experienced members recommend any changes? Thanks for any input
 
I'm not too familiar with all the products but I'd say it looks good. You don't want to drop the test, lethargy is hell to fight through because it kills motivation as well.
 
You can save Eradicate for as needed, maybe throw in a natty anabolic stack like BPS Androcrine and OL Ep1c with your PCT to help keep muscle and protein synthesis up?
 
Simply because you're gyno prone, I'd have a real AI on hand.

Not saying dermacrine will cause it, and 1-andro is dry. But it is better to deal with it right from the start than deal with it later.
 
slggtstrength said:
Simply because you're gyno prone, I'd have a real AI on hand.

Not saying dermacrine will cause it, and 1-andro is dry. But it is better to deal with it right from the start than deal with it later.
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I completely skimmed over the gyno part by accident, good call on the Pharma AI on hand!
 
Not much you need to worry about gyno-wise. Grab a pharm AI. If you can, bump the cycle to 8 weeks to get the most out of it.
 
Four weeks of 1andro? Dunno, could be a nice little run, but then some users dont see much til week 3-4.

Is there a mistake with your PCT layout? You have a SERM dosing protocol of 4 weeks, but say you will be PCTing for weeks 5-7 (3 weeks).

Agreed with the recommendation of pharma AI.

Not sure the eradicate will be a good idea.
 
NewAgeMayan said:
Four weeks of 1andro? Dunno, could be a nice little run, but then some users dont see much til week 3-4.

Is there a mistake with your PCT layout? You have a SERM dosing protocol of 4 weeks, but say you will be PCTing for weeks 5-7 (3 weeks).

Agreed with the recommendation of pharma AI.

Not sure the eradicate will be a good idea.
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Yeah I saw he said 5-7 but for nolva had 4 weeks laid out.
I do agree though 4 weeks is good, but once you really start seeing and feeling the results you'll want 6-8 weeks more than likely.
 
If op is worried about gyno then a 4 week cycle should cure his worries and then he can go to an 8 week after, depends on how comfortable he is really. I'd agree 8 weeks is better tho.
 
Yeah PCT is 4 weeks, I've corrected the typo.
As far as going for 8 weeks, my only concern was that this might increase the possibility of gyno returning, but if a 4 week run isn't even worth it then I'd definitely go for 6 to 8 weeks.
Which would yield greater results, 8 weeks at constant dosing (3 pills/ed) or 2 bottles spread across 6 weeks (~4 pills/ed)?
 
NewAgeMayan said:
Four weeks of 1andro? Dunno, could be a nice little run, but then some users dont see much til week 3-4.

Is there a mistake with your PCT layout? You have a SERM dosing protocol of 4 weeks, but say you will be PCTing for weeks 5-7 (3 weeks).

Agreed with the recommendation of pharma AI.

Not sure the eradicate will be a good idea.
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Why wouldn't the eradicate be a good idea?
 
In my opinion (and I may be wrong) 8 weeks at a lower dose will yield better results just make sure you use your AI. That's your front line defense to combat gyno
 
ChocolateClen said:
If op is worried about gyno then a 4 week cycle should cure his worries and then he can go to an 8 week after, depends on how comfortable he is really. I'd agree 8 weeks is better tho.
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aaa117 said:
Yeah PCT is 4 weeks, I've corrected the typo.
As far as going for 8 weeks, my only concern was that this might increase the possibility of gyno returning, but if a 4 week run isn't even worth it then I'd definitely go for 6 to 8 weeks.
Which would yield greater results, 8 weeks at constant dosing (3 pills/ed) or 2 bottles spread across 6 weeks (~4 pills/ed)?
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I totally appreciate the logic and concern expressed here. But...

In choosing to run ph/hormonals, you are immediately taking on a risk. I think that, in doing so, you should then aim to get the most benefit you reasonably can.

If you dont like the risk, fair enough. But then I wouldnt bother with this stuff. Again, if you are going to run it, do it properly, where the risk is worth it. Even a 4 week cycle is 'risky', ie you are still ingesting prohormones.
 
Alright everyone, after taking comments into account this is what I think the final list will look like:

Week 1-8
Super Mandro (3 pills/ed)
Dermacrine (3 pumps/ed)
ProteX cycle assist (2 pills/ed)
Eradicate (3 pills/ed)

Week 9-12
BSL PCT V (2 pills/ed) (has AI in it, so
Tamoxifen Citrate (liquid) 20/20/10/10
Possible natural anabolic (Anafuse, Abe, etc.)

Training while on cycle I will focus on higher rep range 8-12, and keep calories at 200+ maintenance upping as needed while avoiding fat gain.
And then lower rep range during PCT 4-6, and lowering calories to maintenance.
Final thoughts?
 
aaa117 said:
Alright everyone, after taking comments into account this is what I think the final list will look like:

Week 1-8
Super Mandro (3 pills/ed)
Dermacrine (3 pumps/ed)
ProteX cycle assist (2 pills/ed)
Eradicate (3 pills/ed)

Week 9-12
BSL PCT V (2 pills/ed) (has AI in it, so
Tamoxifen Citrate (liquid) 20/20/10/10
Possible natural anabolic (Anafuse, Abe, etc.)

Training while on cycle I will focus on higher rep range 8-12, and keep calories at 200+ maintenance upping as needed while avoiding fat gain.
And then lower rep range during PCT 4-6, and lowering calories to maintenance.
Final thoughts?
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Still no pharma AI?
 
And don't drop Cals in PCT. You have more muscle mass. Your maintenance went up.

Edit: unless you mean to your new maintenance level
 
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