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3 cycles of Havoc in 1 year - leaning

shadowboy

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Dear all,
I need your suggestions.

I runned havoc several times (4 times) with very good results in the past years, but never more than 1 cycle per year (usually I started on May-June, to get in shape for summer). Of course, diet and exercise are always be tuned up.
This time, I want to go a bit further, and to do more cycles all the year round.
I just finished the PCT for my havoc summer cycle, and I will wait at least 2 - 2.5 months before starting the new cycle.
My first question is: is it useful in this break period to use something like clen (I already studied about it) to lose some fat for these 2 months, before running the new cycle?
Second and most important question is: is it wise to keep using havoc even for the 2nd and 3rd cycle in a row? EventuaIly, I could stack havoc even with tren and take ostarine in PCT.

For all these considerations, take in account my main goal is not to get as big as possible, but to have a nice "model" look.
So I am looking, troughout this year, to acquire some lean mass but mainly to lose as much fat as possible.
I'm 32, 72 inches tall and my weight is 183 lbs (I have a decent amount of muscle mass, but I am not sure about % BF: six pack is well visible, even though its lower part is a bit fatty; I could be around 16%).
 
Time on cycle plus time on PCT = Time off before next cycle

So if you do a 6 week cycyle and 6 week pct - you need 12 weeks off after the cycle has finished before you can start another cycle
 
Hi M.I.D.,
thanks for answering! I know the rule, but my question related to the cycle was mainly due to the fact to be stucked with havoc, and not to change it with other substances, as halo etc...
I have read that someone said it was better to change for the subsequent cycle...
 
I actually didnt read it all lol...

Maybe for 2nd cycle run it longer or at higher dose and 3rd cycle stack it?

Oh and DO NOT take ostarine in PCT.
 
Mmm yeah, could be an idea! Let's wait for other ideas... The important is to still have nice gains as the 1st cycle, so if you deem higher doses or stacking could be enough for not getting accostumed...
Why not to take Ostarine during PCT? I read a paper somewhere in which they said you could keep gaining and leaning even on PCT with that...
Do you have any other source?
 
It seems odd to me that you've only ever used one compound and multiple times, but if it's working for you there's no real point in changing it up unless you just want to. You could always stack something with it this time around.

the amount of cycles per year depends on the length of cycle and PCT. you can do however many you want, but general rule is time on + PCT = time off. So 6 week cycle with a 4 week PCT would need 10 weeks off, which really only allows 3 full cycles a year if kept at 8-10 weeks total.
 
shadowboy said:
Mmm yeah, could be an idea! Let's wait for other ideas... The important is to still have nice gains as the 1st cycle, so if you deem higher doses or stacking could be enough for not getting accostumed...
Why not to take Ostarine during PCT? I read a paper somewhere in which they said you could keep gaining and leaning even on PCT with that...
Do you have any other source?
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Ostarine is suppressive and will make your PCT worthless. Clomid and Nolva won't do anything for natural test production if you have another exogenous hormone suppressing it at the same time.
 
rascal14 said:
Ostarine is suppressive and will make your PCT worthless. Clomid and Nolva won't do anything for natural test production if you have another exogenous hormone suppressing it at the same time.
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Thank you for the explanation, so no Ostarine for my PCT. Got it.

I Always used the same compound because it gave me Amazing results, but usally it takes one year before I start again the new cycle.
My question is related to that, because I am worried of repeating the cycle much closely compared to previous year, and maybe not to get the same results... otherwise I could stack

If I had to change compound, which one would you suggest to have similar results as havoc?
 
shadowboy said:
Thank you for the explanation, so no Ostarine for my PCT. Got it.

I Always used the same compound because it gave me Amazing results, but usally it takes one year before I start again the new cycle.
My question is related to that, because I am worried of repeating the cycle much closely compared to previous year, and maybe not to get the same results... otherwise I could stack

If I had to change compound, which one would you suggest to have similar results as havoc?
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Halodrol.
Or you can stack havoc with tren.
 
If you've had good results from each of your cycles of Havoc, I'd say just stack it with something like Epi, Trest or even Testosterone if you have access to real gear.
 
fdigioia99 said:
Thanks never new it raised test levels everyone on here says no also. I personally think the stuff is just real weak!!
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It doesn't raise test levels, it converts to DHT.
4-ad converts to test.

Both suppress your natural production of course, these things are not "test boosters"
 
fdigioia99 said:
I know that. Lol so how is epi a good test base? That's all I was asking sorry.
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M.I.D said:
It converts to DHT
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What MID is trying to say is, Epi will work as a test base even though it doesn't convert to Testosterone but Dihydrotestosterone. If you want something that directly converts to Test, 4-AD or actual Test. DHEA is also a good one but it converts to DHT as well.

I personally don't trust DHT due to the sides.
 
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