Super Dark Piss from Prohormones?

Rodja said:
A ****ty burger from McDonald's can raise LFTs, which is why they don't give you a picture of anything in this context.
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I agree that they don't indicate anything here, I thought you were stating training couldn't impact them which is why we're having this convo. Liver and kidney are two different organs. So we had a misunderstanding.
 
AllTheGainz said:
I agree that they don't indicate anything here, I thought you were stating training couldn't impact them which is why we're having this convo. Liver and kidney are two different organs. So we had a misunderstanding.
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Never said or implied that. I said they were at the level they are because of the triple 17a stack. BTW, when you're deconditioned, such as just getting back to training, your body is adapting to keep up. It's also a scenario that doesn't apply here.
 
Rodja said:
Never said or implied that. I said they were at the level they are because of the triple 17a stack. BTW, when you're deconditioned, such as just getting back to training, your body is adapting to keep up. It's also a scenario that doesn't apply here.
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Right, that would raise AST and alt, but I followed up by saying that training hard can also raise it but the AST and alt don't impact the kidneys. And yes my body is coming back into training but at the point I'm at now, I massively overtrained.
 
AllTheGainz said:
Right, that would raise AST and alt, but I followed up by saying that training hard can also raise it but the AST and alt don't impact the kidneys. And yes my body is coming back into training but at the point I'm at now, I massively overtrained.
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You know overtraining is a CNS issue, right?
 
Rodja said:
One workout does not give you overtraining. Two workouts don't do it. A full week doesn't do it either. If you're so deconditioned, then why are you using AAS?
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Overtrained as in I just did way more then I should. I've very familiar with the concept of overtraining. I've been around the block a few times. And idk I don't think I'm that deconditioned I think I just was too eager to be back in the gym and did way more then I should have on that particular day.
 
AllTheGainz said:
Overtrained as in I just did way more then I should. I've very familiar with the concept of overtraining. I've been around the block a few times. And idk I don't think I'm that deconditioned I think I just was too eager to be back in the gym and did way more then I should have on that particular day.
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1 overload workout doesn't do it either unless you're very deconditioned.
 
AllTheGainz said:
Overtrained seems to have been a poor word choice on my part. I'm not saying that one workout leads to overtraining either.
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That's why I said overload, which is very, very different from overtraining, and, again, isn't going to cause this level of damage unless there's extenuating circumstances such as being deconditioned.
 
Rodja said:
That's why I said overload, which is very, very different from overtraining, and, again, isn't going to cause this level of damage unless there's extenuating circumstances such as being deconditioned.
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I mean yeah I'm deconditioned since I've been out for a year due to a shoulder injury but I've kept roughly 70% or more of my gains across the board so I don't think I'm THAT deconditioned. Granted I should have probably taken more then a week to ease back into things.
 
AllTheGainz said:
I mean yeah I'm deconditioned since I've been out for a year due to a shoulder injury but I've kept roughly 70% or more of my gains across the board so I don't think I'm THAT deconditioned. Granted I should have probably taken more then a week to ease back into things.
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Over a year away from the gym and you think you're not deconditioned? Do you know anything about training at all?
 
Rodja said:
Over a year away from the gym and you think you're not deconditioned? Do you know anything about training at all?
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Yeah, I at least know what I'm talking about so I know something. I did cardio during that year, rowed competitively just didn't do much with actual weights. I didn't feel that deconditioned getting back in the gym either.

Now granted my recovery time between sets was longer then I typically like, and my post workout recovery has been a lot longer but I wouldn't say I'm totally deconditioned.
 
AllTheGainz said:
Yeah, I at least know what I'm talking about so I know something. I did cardio during that year, rowed competitively just didn't do much with actual weights. I didn't feel that deconditioned getting back in the gym either.
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You know conditioning is relative, right? Just because someone can run for miles doesn't mean they can swim 1000M without being blown up.

Furthermore, why are you taking AAS when you've been out so long? It's a complete waste as you've discovered.
 
Rodja said:
You know conditioning is relative, right? Just because someone can run for miles doesn't mean they can swim 1000M without being blown up.

Furthermore, why are you taking AAS when you've been out so long? It's a complete waste as you've discovered.
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Yeah it's realive to the type of activity, and I wouldn't say it's a waste at all, it being a waste is relative to what you expect to get out of the cycle. I think if I hadn't screwed tf up it would be a lot better over all but I'll still see some solid gains from the cycle.
 
AllTheGainz said:
Yeah it's realive to the type of activity, and I wouldn't say it's a waste at all, it being a waste is relative to what you expect to get out of the cycle. I think if I hadn't screwed tf up it would be a lot better over all but I'll still see some solid gains from the cycle.
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Pretty sure you didn't expect to be hospitalized. Sounds like a wasted cycled to me.
 
Rodja said:
Pretty sure you didn't expect to be hospitalized. Sounds like a wasted cycled to me.
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Your right I didn't, but so few days in I didn't really lose anything but a few caps. You can't plan for everything and expect everything mate. im sure millions of Americans didn't expect to lose their homes and jobs in 08, I don't think anyone expected America to have such a ****ty election, but you take the cards your delt and you play them the best you can. Sure I've ****ed up a few times along the way, but that's why I'm here. To learn how I ****ed up and how to fix it. If I knew everything and I could plan for everything then I'd be the richest person in the world, and I'd have 0 regrets about anything I've done in life. If I knew everything then I'd have no reason to be here on this forum, in this thread that I created to answer a question I had.
 
You really don't see the picture, do you? This was avoidable with some intelligent planning and care. If you didn't know what you were doing, then you shouldn't have run the products. Feigning ignorance is no excuse.
 
Probably could have planned better yeah I agree, but the past is the past. All I can do at this point is figure out what I did wrong and make sure I don't do it again. Learned a lot from this that I will be using in the future.
 
I find I get symptoms of deconditioning after about a week, depending on bodypart/exercise. I can only imagine how significant this would be after a year or so.

Never considered the potential for something like rhabdo, though.
 
NewAgeMayan said:
I find I get symptoms of deconditioning after about a week, depending on bodypart/exercise. I can only imagine how significant this would be after a year or so.

Never considered the potential for something like rhabdo, though.
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I mean being out of lifting I'm like "**** my maxes have dropped" but I always was doing something else like rowing or running to fill in that space so I always felt active. I didn't get hit with the lethargy people get sometime after not going to the gym etc cause I got my gym high off something else.
 
In my experience, and all else being equal, there are two controlled scenarios where my lifts get weaker:

1) overreaching
2) deconditioning
 
NewAgeMayan said:
In my experience, and all else being equal, there are two controlled scenarios where my lifts get weaker:

1) overreaching
2) deconditioning
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I agree with that statement, I'm just saying I never really noticed it because as I was deconditioning in the lifting area, I was increasing my conditioning in the cardio department. So I never really paid a bunch of attention cause my priorities were focused conditioning elsewhere.

Also got moved to overnight observation so that sucks.
 
AllTheGainz said:
I agree with that statement, I'm just saying I never really noticed it because as I was deconditioning in the lifting area, I was increasing my conditioning in the cardio department. So I never really paid a bunch of attention cause my priorities were focused conditioning elsewhere.

Also got moved to overnight observation so that sucks.
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Yeah, I know what youre saying, and there is some benefit of hindsight at play here too. Given the non-resistant work conditioning you were doing, maybe this demonstrates the role SAID played here.
 
hamdysayed said:
don't get mad that eeveryone is hard on u, but forreal though 3 methyls was bad idea.
get better.
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Lol I'm not mad at all, I see it as an opportunity to learn. I don't think it was terrible, def not the reason why I'm in the ER but it's not the smartest idea in the world. And yeah hindsight is 20/20, but now I know.
 
AllTheGainz said:
Lol I'm not mad at all, I see it as an opportunity to learn. I don't think it was terrible, def not the reason why I'm in the ER but it's not the smartest idea in the world. And yeah hindsight is 20/20, but now I know.
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unless u say it was a terrible idea then I don't think u fully get it .
when I ran epistane solo i could tell it's effects on liver and kidney.
so I'm about to run tren epistane soon and I have sh!t load of support supps and ima preload that sh!t, so u ingesting 3 type of toxic talking about not a terrible idea...smh.
 
AllTheGainz said:
Lol I'm not mad at all, I see it as an opportunity to learn. I don't think it was terrible, def not the reason why I'm in the ER but it's not the smartest idea in the world. And yeah hindsight is 20/20, but now I know.
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Now you have also learned to not try and get comfort when you are experiencing issues from randoms (most with zero clue) on a forum. All the best, hopefully a life lesson learned.
 
Rodja said:
Over a year away from the gym and you think you're not deconditioned? Do you know anything about training at all?
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Shhheeeet,?i go 2 weeks with no gym an feel deconditioned.
Parenthood is ruff on your conditioning
 
brofessorx said:
Shhheeeet,?i go 2 weeks with no gym an feel deconditioned.
Parenthood is ruff on your conditioning
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It all (sortve) fades away... I know you're newish at it but I'm already a shadow of my former self with an 18 month old stinker at home
 
Volvo140G said:
It all (sortve) fades away... I know you're newish at it but I'm already a shadow of my former self with an 18 month old stinker at home
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This gives me hope!

Wait, you mean dem GAINZ fade, or the not being able to get time for a good training week?
 
brofessorx said:
This gives me hope!

Wait, you mean dem GAINZ fade, or the not being able to get time for a good training week?
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To quote grandpa simpson, "a little from column A, a little from column B"

Damn right dem gainz fade due to a lack of the consistent workout routine you likely once held. Couple that with sleep habits, at times diet, as well as new obligations, it's just hard to maintain. It has been for me, maybe you and yours have a different schedule/routine. It just is what it is, youll never love anything more than those little turds tho! Wait til they learn to say "daddy," that chit melts your heart! Gainz for the soul!
 
I've been in and out of the gym and I've noticed my strength will always drop, but what's interesting is my muscles generally stay the same size, they just get progressively more flabby over time.
 
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