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AnthG82

AnthG82

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So I'm new to this and apologise in advance if I ask a question that has already been answered

I have spent lots of time researching but now I'm reaching out for hard facts from you guys.

First stats. Male 33 years old 6ft tall weighing 90KG 18% BF.

I'm looking to boost the gains a little and am deciding if I pick a PH like MDROL or something like or run DBol.

My question is this which would add the most value to me over a 4/5 week period and which would be most cost effective.

With dbol my main concern is gyno and MDROL it's the liver damage (maybe) what would be your advise. And what pct would be fun on either of the options.

Thanks guys.
 
If you're new to it, forget about dbol. Lol.

Try something like 1&4 andro dosed both at 330mg's a day for 4-6 weeks. Take arimidex every third day. Usually they'll come in .5mg tabs, just take one.

After you're done with 1&4 andro, take clomid at 50mg's every day for two weeks. Then 25mg's every day for another two weeks.

There you go, beginner cycle 101. Throw in a multivitamin, a good training routine, and a good diet and you're set!
 
Thanks for this. One last Q if I were to run dbol what would a cycle look like, in terms of mg per day, anti gyno, cycle support and pct, also why would you forget dbol as a newbie
 
Well, for one you wouldn't want to run dbol by itself. You should run it with test.

The real reason why is because logically you shouldn't just jump right into trying to play god and changing your hormones around without knowing what you're doing. Granted a lot of people do and usually recover from it, but only after they mess themselves up really bad. It would be wise to start off with something more mild, kind of get an idea of what it's like. Then slowly progress. If you jump into the deep end right away you should at least know what you're doing and what to expect out of each compound you're putting in your body.
 
If you're really going to run dbol by itself though and not listen to me. At least run it like this. I'm telling you, you're going to be kicking yourself in the ass later because without the test you're going to waste your first dbol cycle.

You would want to do no more than 50mg's a day. Preferably only 30mg's a day. Take the arimidex the same as explained before, execute pct the same also. Same as the other one, you would only want to run this for a max of 6 weeks. The problem with this is the first week you'll feel like god. Then after that... well you'll see. Lol. Be ready
 
Thanks for your advise it makes a lot of sense and I will follow your advise by not using dbol at this stage.
 
I'd run hdrol or epistane. Andros are really mild compared to real ph's. I'm guessing your in the UK as you can get mdrol. Hdrol and epi are a lot less harsh than mdrol and if you train and eat right your results will be excellent. If you are in the UK they are legal same as mdrol. My first cycle was hdrol and I gained almost 20 lbs. Make sure you have a serm for pct as well.
 
Please elaborate on cycle goal. Boost gains a little is vague.

Im not a dick but i prefer honesty. A pic would help. A guesss of 18% bf tells me you are probably fat or sloppy.

So to help and most are here to help. You want bulk? Recomp? Cut? Certain compounds better than others in all regards but you can accomplish any of the three with just about any compound qith exceptions if course.

But your time restriction limits your choices vastly

Here ro help bro
 
Hey - so by boost gains I simply mean to increase some noticeable size or muscle mass. In terms of being fat I'm not fat of course I'm holding some but I'm not an obvious fat guy. In terms of what I want to achieve well I want to see some noticeable muscle improvement with a slight reduction in fat. I'm aware you can't fully achieve both at the same time so I guess my aim is recomp. Will HDROL ran at 75mg a day for 5 weeks assist in this ?
 
AnthG82 said:
Hey - so by boost gains I simply mean to increase some noticeable size or muscle mass. In terms of being fat I'm not fat of course I'm holding some but I'm not an obvious fat guy. In terms of what I want to achieve well I want to see some noticeable muscle improvement with a slight reduction in fat. I'm aware you can't fully achieve both at the same time so I guess my aim is recomp. Will HDROL ran at 75mg a day for 5 weeks assist in this ?
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Honestly im not real familiar with the results of the newer version of ph's. Check some logs.

If you can, and i jknow its still out there, go with epi.

If u have availabilitty go real deal. Are you only willing to go 4-5 weeks? If you could go another 3 say to 8 you have better options. If not recomp 5 weeks tbol

But of course diet dictates
 
I would of course be happy to run longer, problem is I'm not sure that is wise with a PH due to the liver? And I'm not yet a phase where I want to inject anything. That being said it is something I would consider down the line but for now I want to run an oral cycle and see how we get on. In terms of diet biscuits and chocolate bars are out so I'm on the right direction.
 
AnthG82 said:
I would of course be happy to run longer, problem is I'm not sure that is wise with a PH due to the liver? And I'm not yet a phase where I want to inject anything. That being said it is something I would consider down the line but for now I want to run an oral cycle and see how we get on. In terms of diet biscuits and chocolate bars are out so I'm on the right direction.
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Anything methylated is hard on liver ph or real aas.

So imo if you have the means and want to run a methylated ph you shoul go aas.

If you dont want to go methylated nor injection your choices are extremely limited
 
Anabolic androgenic stwroids
 
Another thing to keep in mind op. Yes, hdrol or epistane would be fine for a max of 6 weeks. Definitely wouldn't recommend 8 unless you just don't give a **** about the health of your internal organs. Lol. Might not be able to see them, but they are there.

Anyways, the problem with those two compounds is since they're now illegal they're hard to acquire. Most people resort to places like ebay and I can tell you, for every 1 legit source, there is at least 2 fake ones. So if you choose that route, be VERY careful before placing an order. As far as dosing, they have a thread on here that talks about them a bit and it includes dosages.

Good luck
 
Thanks Brandaddy only one point to make that's in the UK which is where I am based the HDROL EPI are legal and very easy to obtain. I will trial the HDROL for 5 weeks max like you said I have important organs that I'd like to keep functioning haha thanks for your help
 
AnthG82 said:
Thanks Brandaddy only one point to make that's in the UK which is where I am based the HDROL EPI are legal and very easy to obtain. I will trial the HDROL for 5 weeks max like you said I have important organs that I'd like to keep functioning haha thanks for your help
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Since you can get both legally id go epi.

Epi is a steroid whereas hdrol is a ph
 
AnthG82 said:
Thanks Brandaddy only one point to make that's in the UK which is where I am based the HDROL EPI are legal and very easy to obtain. I will trial the HDROL for 5 weeks max like you said I have important organs that I'd like to keep functioning haha thanks for your help
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Oh, well lucky you! Ha. Yeah, epistane is good stuff. Minimal sides, good dry gains also. It's probably the strongest compound that most would recommend a beginner could use.
 
Amazing thanks. Having had a quick review it states EPI has side effects in some of gyno whereas drol doesn't. From your experience would this be the case ? Also another question assuming the cycle of either drol or EPI go well what would be the first juice cycle you would suggest ?
 
As long as you keep your estrogen in check you should be fine. Most people seem to do fine anyways. Just have something like aromasin laying around just in case.

As far as your first cycle, 12 weeks of test e/c at 400mg's would be great. Just make sure if you do the epistane cycle for 6 weeks, then do a 4 week pct, you take off 10 weeks before starting anything else.
 
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