Donald Trump running for president
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Gutterpump
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Oh but he is for the little guy because he spouts BS every time his mouth opens. It's so silly to me that his supporters think he is in touch with how they live. Hell, he isn't even in touch with reality
That's why his tax plan benefits mainly the rich.
He's so against the little guy, he $h!ts on small businesses and robs people left and right. Why can't people see through his BS. He's far far worse than Hillary.
ax1
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Well if you follow the money, he dumped hundreds of millions of dollars and thousands of tons of weapons to these unknown groups to support regime change with chaos and this is why we are here now. Obama is the god and founding father of ISIS with Hitlery being the founding nanny.
Dma378
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There is no doubt that Hillary is corrupt, a liar, also a POS. But at what point do you give credentials and experience the edge over none? Ability has to come into play. How anyone can think Trump will have the vaguest idea of what the fukc is going on is beyond me. NOBODY REALLY LIKES HILLARY!! But Jesus if anyone thinks Trump would be a good leader of the US in the world...I don't have the proper words to even express this logical fallacy.
ax1
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He openly endorsed over and over and over again one of the biggest bankster elite war mongering genocidal candidates in human history which happens to be the human filth of all women on the face of the earth, Hitlery. That should be enough proof for you what a fraud he is.
youngandfree
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Can you aford 3 $210,000 homes? Nope
Dma378
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I guess taxes are the ultimate dictator of someone's choice though. Fuk our place in the world, don't take as much $$ from my paycheck, and the rest can fuk itself right off. Hell why everyone isn't dumping Trump and hopping on Johnson to make it race is crazy. But it's the brainwashing of the 2 party system I guess.
Misfit28
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I agree with you except for Johnson. Some of his policy proposals seem pretty disastrous. I just can't get behind the Libertarian thing.
ax1
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So did Trump
Im not a fan of Trump and am in no way voting for him (in case you forgot) but if you put Hitleries body count compared to Trump's up to day you have millions of murders vs. zero.
Misfit28
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He also isn't as old as Bernie. Everyone touts how much money Trump has, but Sanders can't invest over his lifetime and have the money to buy things for his family? Wtf?
ax1
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Im honestly not against him owning things, but it comes across as extremely hypocritical to criticize the very people he continues to be himself.
Think how many people he could have helped pay for the disastrous policies he supports such as Obamacare that people cant afford? Or help people pay their Obamacare 100% deductable scam co-pays so they can visit a basic doctor's office because Obamacare made them broke?
Misfit28
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Can you prove Trump never killed anyone?
Money can cover up a lot.Have you heard about the murders that occurred after he cut security at the Taj Mahal? Just because (as you imply) someone doesn't personally commit the murder, they are still responsible if it happens as a result of a decision that they made. I'm just playing devil's advocate here....
Dma378
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It's dumb logic. It's not like mortgages are linear in cost either.
ax1
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Can you prove Trump never killed anyone?
Have you heard about the murders that occurred after he cut security at the Taj Mahal? Just because (as you imply) someone doesn't personally commit the murder, they are still responsible if it happens as a result of a decision that they made. I'm just playing devil's advocate here....
Ok, Ill give him a few dozen kills but thats far better than some 15 million or so, lol.
ax1
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We should come of with a new law....if you support socialism and own more than 1 house you get charged a extra 75% tax charge on each additional purchase of a house and that money goes to people who cant afford to buy Obamacare or at least pay their unnaffordable IRS fines off.
ax1
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That was just the up to date count....I just cant get in my head why people would actually vote for Hitlery as if she is going to be any better. You certainly are correct 100%.
You know me, total non-interventionism, war only when national security is truly at risk. None of the pre-emptive baloney.
Dma378
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Trust me, I am also non-interventionalist. Stop enforcing our ideals and perhaps we'll have less enemies. Gonna take getting off of oil and opium though. Whether or not you believe in man-made Global Warming, you should support the growth of renewable energies domestically. How else can we get our interests away from the Middle East?
Misfit28
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Yep, I am also a non-interventionalist. I firmly believe that our forays into the Middle East have done nothing more than recruit terrorists.
ax1
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I 1000000% support advancing our newest energy sources. One of my cars is a hybrid, I love the idea Im creating my own energy as I drive for example. I love Elon Musk! There are good things coming soon.
I just feel the need to aware people of con jobs, making emotional decisions and falling to government/corporate entrapment.
Dma378
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And cripple our economy. Not only with the cost, but the fear it instills and the expense that fear costs us as a nation. 9/11 has crippled us. A nation paralyzed by fear.
Dma378
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Also something I don't believe from the "don't tax me bro" crowd is, that if you all kept an additional $80-$100 a paycheck you would go donate so generously to your local schools, roads, bridges, scientists, etc. Such a cop-out. Oh, let us decide what we want to donate to. Yeah, it would be nothing. The country would be a real fuk-hole.
Don't get me wrong, too much tax money is used for a complete waste and padding pockets and luxuries of politicians. But what would cutting taxes in half or more actually accomplish? The people wanting their money back, ain't gonna go start giving it to places that don't serve them. Unfortunately government is the anti-ego that keeps things functioning.
Don't get me wrong, too much tax money is used for a complete waste and padding pockets and luxuries of politicians. But what would cutting taxes in half or more actually accomplish? The people wanting their money back, ain't gonna go start giving it to places that don't serve them. Unfortunately government is the anti-ego that keeps things functioning.
Gutterpump
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He just said he earns $65,000 a year, almost a quarter of Bernie's salary. The ratios are different.
Just go back to school man, math and English. You spelled 'aford' wrong. It's "afford"
Gutterpump
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Gutterpump
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I really love the Libertarian's view on taxation. Getting rid of income tax and creating 1 global consumption tax.
Misfit28
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I don't think consumption taxes are fair for lower and middle income earners. They are much more advantageous to the wealthy. Low and middle income earners spend more of their income than wealthy people.
youngandfree
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Gutterpump
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But would lower income earners spend as much on big ticket items, compared to high income earners?
I think this tax proposal will solve a lot of problems with loopholes and tax evasion by the wealthy.
Dma378
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Many would donate more to our church.
....I'm sure you know my response to this. I'll leave it at that
youngandfree
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He just said he earns $65,000 a year, almost a quarter of Bernie's salary. The ratios are different.
Just go back to school man, math and English. You spelled 'aford' wrong. It's "afford"
Thanks grammar Nazi for pointing out my smart phone spelling error.
As for the mortgage example, is it exact ratios, of course not. Never said it was. His $210,000 mortgage is 3.23 times his annual salary of $65,000 as presented. Bernie's third house is 3 times his stated income. I was merely illustrating an example.
Misfit28
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Heh. Same here.
Misfit28
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And the fact that he has been earning income for over 50 years doesn't come into play at all? He has also invested quite a bit, and his wife has a pension.
Misfit28
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Granted, I agree about loopholes. Also, consider older people who have saved for retirement with pre-tax dollars suddenly having to pay a ton of taxes when they spend it.
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Gutterpump
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Do you think Bernie has any little kids to support at his age? Nope.
DMA has kids, or at least one that I know of.
You're not really thinking deeply into it. There's a lot of factors. But it's definitely possible he's been paid off for supporting Hillary, not denying that.
youngandfree
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At least he didn't appoint someone that praises the head of NAMBLA to the head of his "safe schools" commission like Obama did.
"Kevin Jennings, President Obama's Assistant Deputy Secretary of the Office of Safe and Drug FreeSchools at the U.S. Department of Education, is in hot water this week for having failed to report that a 15-year-old sophomore student in his school had told him of having sex with an older man."
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Misfit28
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Agree. He certainly could have been. And yes, kids are expensive! I've only got one, but it sure does affect disposable income.
Misfit28
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No, he just makes up ludicrous things and passes them off as fact
I'd love to see who Trump would appoint to his Cabinet. Of course, he hasn't won and therefore can't
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Maybe the "Washington Examiner" is a little biased.....
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They give it away for free in DC area subway stations.
Dma378
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Fudge man, there really does need to be a face palm emoji.
How the hell is nambla even a thing? smh
Misfit28
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Here's what actually happened, though:
SMEAR: Jennings advocated for or supports NAMBLA
REALITY: Jennings once praised Hay for his pioneering gay civil rights work. Right-wing media sources including The Washington Examiner, The Fox Nation, The Washington Times, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, and Karl Rove, have linked Jennings to the North American Man-Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) based on a 1997 speech in which Jennings praised gay rights activist Harry Hay. But like many obituaries written about Hay upon his death in 2002, Jennings was touting Hay as a gay civil rights pioneer for his role in helping start "the first ongoing gay rights groups in America" in 1948, and Jennings' comments had nothing to do with NAMBLA.
Trust me, I don't support NAMBLA!
rtmilburn
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Hybrid cars arent the saviors people think they are. They do more harm then good.
This is due to the stip mining to get the resouces need to make the batteries. The amount of co2, sulfur, etc is nealry 5x of what a gas car would put in the environment. Electric cars are even worse same reason, for the batteries but they have lots more of them, not to mention people forget that the electricity that goes into these and the pollution involved in that.
The only efficient, sustainable, low pollution power is nuclear. Yes nuclear. It realses almost 0 pollutants and 98% of the nuclear waste can be recycled. That is a fact. But guess what the power going into your electric cars isnt from low pollution power source more then likely.
Dont get me wrong i want us to get away from fossil fuels but we arent close to the answer yet.