Hairygrandpas log, fat- and older people welcome!- diet, training, cycles, healing

Studhorse said:
Still figuring out if HGH is a sound addition to speed up healing. Mainstream medicine has nothing to offer besides NSAID's or cortisone.
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although I have no personal experience with it, hgh is highly sought after by pro athletes to recover from injury's.
 
HIT4ME said:
Got it, so rest pause 1x and then on the second set rest pause 2x.

Works for me
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Yep. With that you would be at lets say 75% of achievable gains, as when I do almost twice as much will get to maybe 80% , because of diminished returns.
My last sentence makes me think hard about my workout regime... I may adopt that approach too, damn.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Yep. With that you would be at lets say 75% of achievable gains, as when I do almost twice as much will get to maybe 80% , because of diminished returns.
My last sentence makes me think hard about my workout regime... I may adopt that approach too, damn.
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You should adopt this training and Increase frequency...75% twice a week beats the heck out of 80% once a week.
 
HIT4ME said:
You should adopt this training and Increase frequency...75% twice a week beats the heck out of 80% once a week.
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LOL, I did it twice a week, that's 80% twice vs 75% twice, but hell man, I could incorporate rehab sessions for shoulders, as the workouts would be 30-40min max.
A better approach would be doing full body workouts every second day with that regime... lot to think about.
 
hairygrandpa said:
LOL, I did it twice a week, that's 80% twice vs 75% twice, but hell man, I could incorporate rehab sessions for shoulders, as the workouts would be 30-40min max.
A better approach would be doing full body workouts every second day with that regime... lot to think about.
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I doubt you were seeing maximal growth doing high volume twice per week, although...you have "enhancements" that kind of change the playing field and allow you to tolerate more volume.

And if you do this 3x, you would be looking at 225% vs. 150%
 
HIT4ME said:
I doubt you were seeing maximal growth doing high volume twice per week, although...you have "enhancements" that kind of change the playing field and allow you to tolerate more volume.
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I did not see an increase of reps in the first set but over time I could do more rest pause reps. Very interesting thinking about it now.
It builds resistance more than strength apparently AND, I got bigger, that's for sure.
 
It would be prudent to assume, if doing each body part twice/week, doing one time rest pause training -and the second time higher weights with 5-6 reps in 2 sets, could yield more gains, having both, the resistance -and strength component.
Do you agree? HIT4ME
 
hairygrandpa said:
It would be prudent to assume, if doing each body part twice/week, doing one time rest pause training -and the second time higher weights with 5-6 reps in 2 sets, could yield more gains, having both, the resistance -and strength component.
Do you agree? HIT4ME
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I don't disagree. I think the process is pretty straight forward and maybe I oversimplify, but I never claimed to be smart or clever. The process is:

1. Stimulate - a sufficient stress needs to be experienced to stimulate an adaptation.

2. Recover - give your body time to do its work and nutrients to replace burned energy and repair damage.

3. Grow - this is similar to #2 but not the same and won't happen until AFTER you repair damage and recover fully.


Meltzer believed, and I agree, that most people don't stick to this process and start training again while they are still in the recovery phase. This means they have not yet repaired all damage, which means they have not grown yet because they haven't gotten to that step yet even.

So, in Mentzers approach, you should be growing (getting stronger) with every workout. If you are not - something is wrong in one of those three steps. So if you are SURE you have trained the muscle with sufficient stress (exposure to failure was his hypothesis) then if you aren't stronger the next workout, then you need more time between workouts because you didn't allow for adaptation. And the more volume you do in a workout, the bigger your energy expenditure, the more you have to replace before you are fully recovered. In other words, volume increases stimulus but digs a hole that has to be refilled before you can overcompensate.

So, back to your question - I think mixing styles has a place. But I've always questioned the logic of training in a fashion that doesn't actually provide a stimulus because it still spends energy even if it doesn't cause growth. Lots of people will disagree and say active recovery is more effective than sitting around, but I am not sure.

If you have a heavy workout and can truly overcompensate before a second workout in the same week - then doing a second workout with higher volume and lower weights may be effective, but then you are also training for two different outcomes and it may be better to just double down on one outcome?

I will say that training to failure at or above 80% 1RM seems to really destroy your CNS which I think is a bigger factor in recovery than just muscle recovery. Training, as you suggest, with 70% to or beyond failure will be easier on the CNS and speed recovery from a systemic perspective, and based on studies we have seen, I would think the adaptations would be the same as going to failure with a slightly heavier weight. Actually, another argument may be that using a lighter weight allows you to get even more INTO failure than a heavier weight.

For instance, if you can do 4 reps of something with 80 pounds ...on the 5th rep, you may be able to push 78 pounds, but I will fail because I have 80 on the bar. If I did 70, after 4 reps I could still do 78 pounds and only have 70 on the bar, so I get more reps l. But at rep 6, maybe 8 have 74 pounds of force available, rep 6 I only have 70, a and rep 7 I fall to 65 and fail. Not sure if what I am saying is making sense, but in the first example I failed with a 2 pound deficit, and in the second it was a 5 pound deficit.

Anyway, I believe in mixing things up and doing both methods...but I also believe in keeping things simple and constantly improving.
 
HIT4ME said:
I don't disagree. I think the process is pretty straight forward and maybe I oversimplify, but I never claimed to be smart or clever. The process is:

1. Stimulate - a sufficient stress needs to be experienced to stimulate an adaptation.

2. Recover - give your body time to do its work and nutrients to replace burned energy and repair damage.

3. Grow - this is similar to #2 but not the same and won't happen until AFTER you repair damage and recover fully.


Meltzer believed, and I agree, that most people don't stick to this process and start training again while they are still in the recovery phase. This means they have not yet repaired all damage, which means they have not grown yet because they haven't gotten to that step yet even.

So, in Mentzers approach, you should be growing (getting stronger) with every workout. If you are not - something is wrong in one of those three steps. So if you are SURE you have trained the muscle with sufficient stress (exposure to failure was his hypothesis) then if you aren't stronger the next workout, then you need more time between workouts because you didn't allow for adaptation. And the more volume you do in a workout, the bigger your energy expenditure, the more you have to replace before you are fully recovered. In other words, volume increases stimulus but digs a hole that has to be refilled before you can overcompensate.

So, back to your question - I think mixing styles has a place. But I've always questioned the logic of training in a fashion that doesn't actually provide a stimulus because it still spends energy even if it doesn't cause growth. Lots of people will disagree and say active recovery is more effective than sitting around, but I am not sure.

If you have a heavy workout and can truly overcompensate before a second workout in the same week - then doing a second workout with higher volume and lower weights may be effective, but then you are also training for two different outcomes and it may be better to just double down on one outcome?

I will say that training to failure at or above 80% 1RM seems to really destroy your CNS which I think is a bigger factor in recovery than just muscle recovery. Training, as you suggest, with 70% to or beyond failure will be easier on the CNS and speed recovery from a systemic perspective, and based on studies we have seen, I would think the adaptations would be the same as going to failure with a slightly heavier weight. Actually, another argument may be that using a lighter weight allows you to get even more INTO failure than a heavier weight.

For instance, if you can do 4 reps of something with 80 pounds ...on the 5th rep, you may be able to push 78 pounds, but I will fail because I have 80 on the bar. If I did 70, after 4 reps I could still do 78 pounds and only have 70 on the bar, so I get more reps l. But at rep 6, maybe 8 have 74 pounds of force available, rep 6 I only have 70, a and rep 7 I fall to 65 and fail. Not sure if what I am saying is making sense, but in the first example I failed with a 2 pound deficit, and in the second it was a 5 pound deficit.

Anyway, I believe in mixing things up and doing both methods...but I also believe in keeping things simple and constantly improving.
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Don't forget about AAS, as it's shortens recovery.
I'm not that guy that plans a lot before doing a workout but I already found my pace with the rest pause approach.
I talked to my son about doing only one set with a rest pause set of all exercises and doing full body workouts every gym day, this would be a version of HST with a rest pause twist. It should get me to at least 60-65% returns x 4 times a week. It surely would take out the boring for awhile.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Don't forget about AAS, as it's shortens recovery.
I'm not that guy that plans a lot before doing a workout but I already found my pace with the rest pause approach.
I talked to my son about doing only one set with a rest pause set of all exercises and doing full body workouts every gym day, this would be a version of HST with a rest pause twist. It should get me to at least 60-65% returns x 4 times a week. It surely would take out the boring for awhile.
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Yes, A AS turns you into a stud. Even just the 500 mg of 11-KT was having a strong impact on my recovery. On AAS you can be a stud and workout a body part until it explodes and still come back in 2 days...but I wouldn't know that personally, just what I understand.
 
HIT4ME said:
Yes, A AS turns you into a stud. Even just the 500 mg of 11-KT was having a strong impact on my recovery. On AAS you can be a stud and workout a body part until it explodes and still come back in 2 days...but I wouldn't know that personally, just what I understand.
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Hehehe. If it would be like that, than I'm already a stud, LOL.
 
I wish talking about workouts would give gains. LOL

Wait... my fingers are pumped from typing, that is a good sign!
 
hairygrandpa said:
I wish talking about workouts would give gains. LOL

Wait... my fingers are pumped from typing, that is a good sign!
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What are you talking about? I was talking about training in this thread with you, went to sleep, and woke up 3 pounds heavier and I SWEAR I am more swole. It may have been the pizza and cheeseburger, but I blame talking with you about training for my gainz.
 
Oh, and BTW - I like the HST website too. It has a slightly different take than Mentzer, some of their arguments directly refute some of Mentzer's claims which is worth thinking about (I am constantly questioning all of this) - but at the end, I think their workout program actually kind of resembles one of my theoretical applications of Mentzer's ideas - ie. - hitting brief and hard, but doing it more often. I may give HST some more thought and try to come up with a routine based on this training method.
 
For years ive used
75% wk1 2x a day
95% wk2 eod
80% wk3 ed
75% wk4 2x a day

1 week off just eating slighty above macros
Same workouts just switched the order of exercises.
 
HIT4ME said:
Oh, and BTW - I like the HST website too. It has a slightly different take than Mentzer, some of their arguments directly refute some of Mentzer's claims which is worth thinking about (I am constantly questioning all of this) - but at the end, I think their workout program actually kind of resembles one of my theoretical applications of Mentzer's ideas - ie. - hitting brief and hard, but doing it more often. I may give HST some more thought and try to come up with a routine based on this training method.
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I think there is a section on HST with AAS probably more sets or exercises per body part.
 
Wow I earned a achievement thingy! I guess I'm at piss ant level? LOL
i will never catch bighulksmash (I'm too old)!
 
Studhorse said:
I think there is a section on HST with AAS probably more sets or exercises per body part.
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Well, I don't use AAS. I have used 11-KT and Nokia and t3 but my goal right now is 160 @ 10% BF so I think I still have some more building to do before jumping into the real stuff.
 
hairygrandpa said:
It seems you want to become a girl, a small one.

LOL
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That is Mr. Mrs. to you old man. And I'd be a REALLY hairy girl.

I know I'm small. I'm 5'8'' and have to be realistic here. I mean, back in the 40's and 50's (the discovery of steroids were around this time), Grimmek was pretty much the best bodybuilder in the world at 5'8'' and 180# and 10% bodyfat. I think I'll look better than most people walking through Wal Mart when I get to 160.

hairygrandpa said:
I could never meet HIT4ME in person , because every time I inhale he will cling under my nose.
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What do you mean? You like to take it in the face? Not sure I get where you're coming from here...

hairygrandpa said:
Don't worry, HIT4ME can defend himself. He surely carries pepper spray in his purse.
LOL
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At least this puzzy ass girl doesn't have to hide his wise-ass comments in a smaller faunt. And I keep my pepper spray in my pink fanny pack for your information. (I actually laughed out loud at the purse comment)

It's funny. I am licensed to carry, but I've never even hardly touched a gun. I do carry knives most everywhere I go and it astonishes me how often people question me on that - "Why do you carry a knife?" Ummm...wtf do you think? To cut things. But it's amazing how people think it's a weapon. I cut tape and boxes and rope, etc. all the time and when that time comes I'm usually the only guy with a knife. People freak out so easily. Two generations ago, every 1st grader took a knife to school. Now they get suspended for bringing a swiss army spoon. Ridiculous.
 
HGP is just jealous because he is gonna be left out when you and I are slamming fried lobstah at the end if the summer on the Cape.
 
HIT4ME said:
Originally Posted by hairygrandpa View Post
I could never meet @HIT4ME in person , because every time I inhale he will cling under my nose.
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What do you mean? You like to take it in the face? Not sure I get where you're coming from here...
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Like when I inhale you are so light that you get sucked under my nose and stay there, got it ? LOL

It's a German joke, got lost in translation.
 
HIT4ME said:
That is Mr. Mrs. to you old man. And I'd be a REALLY hairy girl.

I know I'm small. I'm 5'8'' and have to be realistic here. I mean, back in the 40's and 50's (the discovery of steroids were around this time), Grimmek was pretty much the best bodybuilder in the world at 5'8'' and 180# and 10% bodyfat. I think I'll look better than most people walking through Wal Mart when I get to 160.



What do you mean? You like to take it in the face? Not sure I get where you're coming from here...



At least this puzzy ass girl doesn't have to hide his wise-ass comments in a smaller faunt. And I keep my pepper spray in my pink fanny pack for your information. (I actually laughed out loud at the purse comment)

It's funny. I am licensed to carry, but I've never even hardly touched a gun. I do carry knives most everywhere I go and it astonishes me how often people question me on that - "Why do you carry a knife?" Ummm...wtf do you think? To cut things. But it's amazing how people think it's a weapon. I cut tape and boxes and rope, etc. all the time and when that time comes I'm usually the only guy with a knife. People freak out so easily. Two generations ago, every 1st grader took a knife to school. Now they get suspended for bringing a swiss army spoon. Ridiculous.
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my son got suspended from school 5 years ago for having a Swiss army knife on his key chain. you know the one that is like 2" long. I had to leave the office to go meet with the boys dean. I was like are you F'in kidding me. he told me I had to watch my language.I was like I drove 45 min. for this sh*t. I'm from Oklahoma and we use to bring our dads pistols to elementary school (not loaded because we knew they were not toys) to show them off in the 70's. (things have changed)
 
[video=youtube;Bcf4Wyf520A]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bcf4Wyf520A[/video]

when I was pushing 200 mgs of trest a day this is what I banged out to !!!!
 
The world has become a despicable place, it turns my stomach.
Yesterday two 19 year old gorgeous girls offered me sex in exchange for advertising a product for bodybuilders.
I obviously declined that unmoral offer, staying strong to my principles.

I stood as strong as "Sparkle-Pump" will make you when you buy it.
 
Yet another day in the gym doing 60 min rehab.
Shoulder is getting better since I used trigger point therapy more often.
Did a little back workout and rear delts without pain.
I decided not to use HGH, instead I'll use BPC-157 when it arrives (still not here, damn) and use HGH when healed and regular workout starts.
 
sparks2012 said:
BPC still didn't show?? Still issues with it being shipped and rejected?
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Everything I buy in US needs about 14-21 days to show up.It got sent back because the shipping address changed, no other reason as that.
It should arrive next Wednesday. I bought some ralox too, partly to see if some of my breast fat is gyno related -or not and some of it to sell.
I'm considering selling Sarms, Serms and Peptides in future, as nobody else does it here (opportunities must be taken).
Talking about it, if any of the vendors on AM is reading this, PM me if interested.
 
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