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Nutracuetical Innovations 11K-Test Oral

bighulksmash said:
I never did any of those keto things . Id love to learn.
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I really like it, but it takes alot of trial and error and adjustment. Life without carbs can suck if you don't know how to navigate the foods on the go. But on the flip side being able to eat steak and eggs, bacon or whatever else you associate with being bad because it's too fatty can sometimes be awesome lol
 
this def was a great log. very dam good bro
 
How was the aggression on 11 kt? Suppose to be androgenic so curious if you had any shorter fuse?
 
mase1 said:
How was the aggression on 11 kt? Suppose to be androgenic so curious if you had any shorter fuse?
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I really didn't notice it. I truthfully have such a short fuse as is though. But I didn't feel anything outside of normal. I really have nothing negative to say about it. Great compound for me.
 
bighulksmash said:
M1d?
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Which version? It looks like an anti-E now, and lowering DHT wouldn't help aggression either, so it doesn't look very 'alpha' to me but to be fair I haven't tried the latest.

If you wanna get pissed off on purpose though, like pre-comp, 400+mg Androsterone in one serving is a consistent way to achieve that IME.
 
Area1255x said:
Epi-Andro and Super DMZ have some similar mental 'alpha' effects, only thing is DMZ can send your blood pressure way up.
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Yeah, I've heard some say that epiandro gave them mental energy, even anxiety, presumably from the negative GABA modulation, but it doesn't do that to me. And androsterone is a much stronger positive modulator, very calming to some, but at a high enough dose I suspect intrinsic androgenic actions must predominate the mental effects. Either that or I'm an atypical responder.

I never tried DMZ, but I can image it was pretty dry, no? Maybe the BP was more related to RBC proliferation than electrolyte retention?
 
NutraChem said:
Yeah, I've heard some say that epiandro gave them mental energy, even anxiety, presumably from the negative GABA modulation, but it doesn't do that to me. And androsterone is a much stronger positive modulator, very calming to some, but at a high enough dose I suspect intrinsic androgenic actions must predominate the mental effects. Either that or I'm an atypical responder.

I never tried DMZ, but I can image it was pretty dry, no? Maybe the BP was more related to RBC proliferation than electrolyte retention?
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Wats the difference between cyclosom and tetrasorb ? How do the benefit the consumer? In regards to these new absorption techniques.
 
NutraChem said:
Which version? It looks like an anti-E now, and lowering DHT wouldn't help aggression either, so it doesn't look very 'alpha' to me but to be fair I haven't tried the latest.

If you wanna get pissed off on purpose though, like pre-comp, 400+mg Androsterone in one serving is a consistent way to achieve that IME.
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I can attest to that lmao
 
bighulksmash said:
Wats the difference between cyclosom and tetrasorb ? How do the benefit the consumer? In regards to these new absorption techniques.
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TetraSorb Delivery™ consists of four primary ingredients. Two absorption enhancers which encourage the oral uptake of a multitude of compounds, and two metabolic modulators that help prolong the activity of ingredients by the attenuation of key enzymes. Not knocking HT, but I believe Tetra is far better. Once a capsule is ingested, it travels past the stomach and into the gut. That’s when the two, potent absorption enhancers are released.
Dodecanoic Acid 2,3-Dihydroxypropyl Ester-

Stigmast-5-en-3-ol Beta-D-Glucoside. Another natural, yet potent compound belonging to a chemical class known as Saponins
1-[5-(1,3-Benzodioxol-5-yl)-1-oxo-2,4-pentadienyl]piperidine, and it has been found to inhibit pertinent enzymes as well, including CYP and P-glycoprotein. Increased intestinal expression of P-glycoprotein reduces the absorption of substrates, thus lowering their bioavailability.

6′,7′-Dihydroxy-5-Geranoxypsoralen, and it can increase the blood levels of certain substrates and hormones by over several hundred percent! It does this by interacting with specific CYP isozymes associated with rapid first-pass deactivation of androgens

I don't know much about the other and they don't clearly explain it either, but Nutra fully details the function of each of the 4 ingredients to keep the product intact.
 
smith_69 said:
TetraSorb Delivery™ consists of four primary ingredients. Two absorption enhancers which encourage the oral uptake of a multitude of compounds, and two metabolic modulators that help prolong the activity of ingredients by the attenuation of key enzymes. Not knocking HT, but I believe Tetra is far better. Once a capsule is ingested, it travels past the stomach and into the gut. That’s when the two, potent absorption enhancers are released.
Dodecanoic Acid 2,3-Dihydroxypropyl Ester-

Stigmast-5-en-3-ol Beta-D-Glucoside. Another natural, yet potent compound belonging to a chemical class known as Saponins
1-[5-(1,3-Benzodioxol-5-yl)-1-oxo-2,4-pentadienyl]piperidine, and it has been found to inhibit pertinent enzymes as well, including CYP and P-glycoprotein. Increased intestinal expression of P-glycoprotein reduces the absorption of substrates, thus lowering their bioavailability.

6′,7′-Dihydroxy-5-Geranoxypsoralen, and it can increase the blood levels of certain substrates and hormones by over several hundred percent! It does this by interacting with specific CYP isozymes associated with rapid first-pass deactivation of androgens

I don't know much about the other and they don't clearly explain it either, but Nutra fully details the function of each of the 4 ingredients to keep the product intact.
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I have some immediate concerns . I'll pm you about it.
 
bighulksmash said:
Wats the difference between cyclosom and tetrasorb ? How do the benefit the consumer? In regards to these new absorption techniques.
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Well, they both pass the "cool name" test, that's for sure, lol.

Smith already described the Tet, but what it this cyclosom? It sounds like a cyclodextrin or lyposomal gimmick maybe? Gimme a link bro, and I'll check it out and report back with my finding. ;)
 
NutraChem said:
Well, they both pass the "cool name" test, that's for sure, lol.

Smith already described the Tet, but what it this cyclosom? It sounds like a cyclodextrin or lyposomal gimmick maybe? Gimme a link bro, and I'll check it out and report back with my finding. ;)
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Incoming link pm in t minus 2 minutes
 
Yeah, I can't find many details about CS, but it appears to be based on liposomal tech. Which isn't a bad idea and surely works well with a number of different substrates. We actually considered using liposomes before choosing to go with our TetraSorb tech. Liposomal preps are pretty cheap to make now, about like microencapsulations, but they can have properties that limit product design, so they lack the practical versatility we were looking for. Otherwise, I have nothing bad to say about lipos.
 
NutraChem said:
Yeah, I can't find many details about CS, but it appears to be based on liposomal tech. Which isn't a bad idea and surely works well with a number of different substrates. We actually considered using liposomes before choosing to go with our TetraSorb tech. Liposomal preps are pretty cheap to make now, about like microencapsulations, but they can have properties that limit product design, so they lack the practical versatility we were looking for. Otherwise, I have nothing bad to say about lipos.
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Good explanation. Could liposome and tetrafish be used together?
 
NutraChem said:
H yeah! Maybe. :)
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im up for ideas, but why would anyone want this? imho one is better than the other so adding the sub-par product would only give it undo credit. i mean i guess you can, but again, so no reason to do this. just my 69 cents
 
smith_69 said:
im up for ideas, but why would anyone want this? imho one is better than the other so adding the sub-par product would only give it undo credit. i mean i guess you can, but again, so no reason to do this. just my 69 cents
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The application probably exists where the two can be used together, I can't think of any off hand, but probably tho. That's why I gave an enthusiastic 'maybe'. lol
 
smith_69 said:
im up for ideas, but why would anyone want this? imho one is better than the other so adding the sub-par product would only give it undo credit. i mean i guess you can, but again, so no reason to do this. just my 69 cents
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Well I figured since its already coated with shyt could it be double coated with shyt ? Legit question NutraChem may have a scientific answer.
 
NutraChem said:
The application probably exists where the two can be used together, I can't think of any off hand, but probably tho. That's why I gave an enthusiastic 'maybe'. lol
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bighulksmash said:
Well I figured since its already coated with shyt could it be double coated with shyt ? Legit question NutraChem may have a scientific answer.
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thats a lot of shyt to swallow

lol
 
Tagamet (Cimetadine) is a poor man's "absorption enhancer" if you just have "regular" PH's.

It is a known inhibitor of many isozymes of the Cytochrome P450 enzyme system (specifically CYP1A2, CYP2C9, CYP2C19, CYP2D6, CYP2E1, and CYP3A4). This inhibition forms the basis for the numerous drug interactions that occur between Cimetidine and other drugs.
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mase1 said:
OP, what is/was your pct? Any feel of shut down? Etc.
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Absolutely no shut down. Just got bloods done so waiting to see, but after 11kt I went right into lgd at 10mg even after the lgd I haven't noticed anything. the blood work will let me know . Just started ostarine and dropped the lgd as I got an injury doing rack pulls. Great set, but wasn't worth it I guess. Using a moderate dosage of osta and some dermacrine as part of a healing stack.
 
Anyone else run this 11K Test in capsule form? I ran 2 bottles and definitely noticed a lean out a bit. Especially in photos.

I'm wondering if I should up the dose from 3 capsules a day?
 
DieselNY said:
Great log, you are a keto guy that's awesome, I am strict CKD keto with Intermittent Fasting. So you do cardio 2 x a day? You prepping for a show/even/beach? or just trying to maximize the potential of 11-KT? I love 11-KT keeps me lean even with a surplus of calories and very vascular and pumped.
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Hi bro,

I have some questions about 11-kt, is it possible I could PM you?

Much appreciated
 
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