Herder's 2014 Log: All About the XPC Semi's

I am aware these all count. But why would I want to train motor unit refinement in moves that are not the comp move? Those lifts would be better served for the 60-85% range and the classic west side templates does not account for this. I am speaking the true me/de/re work written as Louie writes it.

From what I recall, Louie states only that it must be changed often.


Either way, we're talking about conjugate training, not Westside.


The only way to know what Westside does, is to train there, and I don't believe any of us has done that yet.
 
Bar placement and stance width are not what I would call minor differences considering its not uncommon to have huge discrepancies between the two. Just high bar and low bar alone have very distinct differences from the unrack forward.

Guess that depends on how much you change them.
 
Bar placement and stance width are not what I would call minor differences considering its not uncommon to have huge discrepancies between the two. Just high bar and low bar alone have very distinct differences from the unrack forward.

I have to really second this. On my auxiliary bench day I have been benching with my full comp setup EXCEPT benching with ring finger on the ring or a hair outside it. So 2" wider per side than my comp grip.

It changes everything - I get a huge shift onto my pecs and delts and can't sit my triceps on my lats remotely. I feel about 20lbs weaker (and certainly more strain on shoulders, but I keep the reps in strength/hyper range). And that's with only a 2.5 finger width difference and same arch.
 
Truly, if I had the opportunity to train under Wenning, at his gym, I would jump on it. Being under someone that strong and analytical is going to pay out. If I was going to put my faith in a new ebook or some program I found online with no guidance, I'd go w something like 5th set. You just do sets and reps w the comp moves and follow w some muscle work. That's hard to argue with.
 
Things I believe in regarding the discussion: there's more than one way to skin a cat, and doing conjugate well requires an acceptance of taking steps back before going forward and some experience under the bar and critical thinking. Ignoring results and only accepting studies, or vice versa, is missing the big picture as well.

Everyone can train how they want and chase better, But trying to hit optimal is like shooting the wings off of a fly at 200 yards in a hurricane. Nobody will ever perfectly nail optimal. Just keep bashing your head against the wall until it breaks. That's how I benched 400 after having that we a short term goal for four years, lol.
 
Squat day (speed/technique)

Duffalo nekkid squats
380X5x3

SSB also no belt no sleeve
280X2x9 woof

Single leg rev hyper
180X3x25

GHR
3X8

Leg curl
5x8

Standing calf and seated calf

Only took me 90min of actual work time. I'm happy with that. Could be better though. Calves and hams will be extremely sore tomorrow.
 
5Th set bench day, staying on a roll.

300x4x2
300X12 PR again

Feet up spoto press
245X6,7

Hoff press x2

Meadows rows 2x8

Poundstone curl attempt. Came up well short yet well pumped.

Vogelpohl rows/pullaparts
3x8/4x20

Light band Pushdowns x50

This was a 55min session. Got home runs to watch. The pump was just embarrassing.
 
Truly, if I had the opportunity to train under Wenning, at his gym, I would jump on it. Being under someone that strong and analytical is going to pay out. If I was going to put my faith in a new ebook or some program I found online with no guidance, I'd go w something like 5th set. You just do sets and reps w the comp moves and follow w some muscle work. That's hard to argue with.

Did you watch the video with him and CWS? I'm sorry, but if you walked away from that video thinking that Wenning understands the finer points of training than idk what to say. Even a few times you could tell CWS wanted to call him on some BS. To be clear, I'm not saying I don't like him. He seems like a really genuine guy. He's just not all that smart. Nothing wrong with that.

I guess what someone like Wenning shows us, however, is that these "finer points of training" actually don't matter all that much. Especially, if you're going to train for 10, 20 years. Having great genetics and pharm grade gear doesn't hurt either.
 
Did you watch the video with him and CWS? I'm sorry, but if you walked away from that video thinking that Wenning understands the finer points of training than idk what to say. Even a few times you could tell CWS wanted to call him on some BS. To be clear, I'm not saying I don't like him. He seems like a really genuine guy. He's just not all that smart. Nothing wrong with that.

I guess what someone like Wenning shows us, however, is that the finer points of training don't matter all that much. Especially, if you're going to train for 10, 20 years. Having great genetics and pharm grade gear doesn't hurt either.

I truly did not feel that way. Does Matt have great genetics? 400 bench in high school says undeniably yes. But I think he's very smart. Well educated on strength and conditioning, successful track record, and successful clients. When he puts something out, I give it a crack. For the most part his suggestions stay in my program. He also has a decent track record of lifters he has coached doing well in powerlifting, not to mention his contracts with tactical populations.

I'll watch the video again with more mind to your perspective. I really think many of the big lifters are locked into their way, and I think a lot of the guys coming up in the sport are locked into the ways of their favorite resource. Now, being locked in will get better results than jumping around, but we can learn from anyone, We just have to keep an open mind and discard what doesn't jive with our philosophy. Swede mentioned it in his book and at the seminar, chew on the meat and spit out the bone.

Its no secret I'm a Wenning fanboy, but I'll try to see it on my second go round from your perspective.

Edit: I 100% agree with your point that over time, the finer points of training can be worked around and don't matter that much. Training hard and staying healthy over that period of time it takes to become great is the finest point of all.
 
Did you watch the video with him and CWS? I'm sorry, but if you walked away from that video thinking that Wenning understands the finer points of training than idk what to say. Even a few times you could tell CWS wanted to call him on some BS. To be clear, I'm not saying I don't like him. He seems like a really genuine guy. He's just not all that smart. Nothing wrong with that.

I guess what someone like Wenning shows us, however, is that these "finer points of training" actually don't matter all that much. Especially, if you're going to train for 10, 20 years. Having great genetics and pharm grade gear doesn't hurt either.

I definitely think there's more going on in Wenning's noggin than you give credit to. As already pointed out, he has a reputation for a reason. I'm not really saying it's the training methodology I'll be using any time soon, but I would if I was training at his gym. There's an X factor in that situation I wouldn't pass up.

Hey Dude, started the Cube Predator up today for a push-pull on Aug 27. Gonna take that 100% bench at the end of wk6 about 8 days out with a deload week after that the week of the meet. Sound about right?
 
I definitely think there's more going on in Wenning's noggin than you give credit to. As already pointed out, he has a reputation for a reason. I'm not really saying it's the training methodology I'll be using any time soon, but I would if I was training at his gym. There's an X factor in that situation I wouldn't pass up.

Hey Dude, started the Cube Predator up today for a push-pull on Aug 27. Gonna take that 100% bench at the end of wk6 about 8 days out with a deload week after that the week of the meet. Sound about right?

If I recall correctly, I'd hold off one week and have it so your max effort is meet day. The one thing I cannot stress enough is to leave reps in the tank on your AMRAP sets and don't be afraid to cut a little volume. That program is ****ing killer. Excellent results, but it can take you out.
 
I truly did not feel that way. Does Matt have great genetics? 400 bench in high school says undeniably yes. But I think he's very smart. Well educated on strength and conditioning, successful track record, and successful clients. When he puts something out, I give it a crack. For the most part his suggestions stay in my program. He also has a decent track record of lifters he has coached doing well in powerlifting, not to mention his contracts with tactical populations.

I'll watch the video again with more mind to your perspective. I really think many of the big lifters are locked into their way, and I think a lot of the guys coming up in the sport are locked into the ways of their favorite resource. Now, being locked in will get better results than jumping around, but we can learn from anyone, We just have to keep an open mind and discard what doesn't jive with our philosophy. Swede mentioned it in his book and at the seminar, chew on the meat and spit out the bone.

Its no secret I'm a Wenning fanboy, but I'll try to see it on my second go round from your perspective.

Edit: I 100% agree with your point that over time, the finer points of training can be worked around and don't matter that much. Training hard and staying healthy over that period of time it takes to become great is the finest point of all.

He actually stresses that a lot in the DVD, the person who can train the hardest for a decade without getting injured is the strongest.


And he believes a conjugate system is the best way to make progress while addressing the Law of Adaptation and the Law of Specificity.



It is funny though, how different people can see the same thing but view it different ways.


I didn't believe for a second that Matt was an idiot (or something like that), while watching the video. In fact, that video is what made me decide to purchase the DVD.


It did however, seem like CWS didn't really believe or agree with anything coming out of Matt's mouth. Which is expected, really, because he is a notorious Westside hater. It's hard to imagine anyone who believes in the conjugate system being able to change the mind of someone who already does not (and vice versa).



No problem with that, really, because there are a whole lot of really strong people out there who use conjugate, and a whole lot who don't. The important part is clearly just hard work over a long period of time, everything else is just about finding something you believe will work and putting 100% effort into it.



I don't care for CWS' training methods, personally. I've used Juggernaut before (and paid for both books lol), and I got heavier (mostly fat), weaker, slower, and ultimately injured while running my first and only cycle of vitamin T.


Went back to conjugate training again, after the rehab process, and started setting PRs and getting stronger at a lighter weight.



But that's just my experience with it. (And before someone asks, I ran the program for Strongman as written, with 5/3/1 as assistance, all straight from the book)
 
It's a bit ironic when CWS hates Westside so much when he's a fan of block. They're cousins and the conjugate is just one permutation of a block system. Or is it he just hates the Westside incarnation of conjugate?
 
It's a bit ironic when CWS hates Westside so much when he's a fan of block. They're cousins and the conjugate is just one permutation of a block system. Or is it he just hates the Westside incarnation of conjugate?

He seems to hate everything conjugate.


To be fair though, most people think conjugate=Westside so he may hate it all because it's simpler than explaining the differences on a YouTube video.



He has said before that he believes it is one of the best ways to train athletes though. He just doesn't believe it is very effective for training powerlifters (and strongmen too, maybe?).
 
He seems to hate everything conjugate.


To be fair though, most people think conjugate=Westside so he may hate it all because it's simpler than explaining the differences on a YouTube video.



He has said before that he believes it is one of the best ways to train athletes though. He just doesn't believe it is very effective for training powerlifters (and strongmen too, maybe?).

Unless adapted a la DeFranco, I would think the intensity demands would be too much for an athlete. Having to practice and then lift or having to practice the following morning following a max effort sounds awful.
 
Unless adapted a la DeFranco, I would think the intensity demands would be too much for an athlete. Having to practice and then lift or having to practice the following morning following a max effort sounds awful.

I think it was mostly related to offseason training, since you don't have enough time between seasons to do an I incredibly effective block scheme.


Don't quote me on it though, as it has been awhile since I saw the video/article where he talked about it.
 
If I recall correctly, I'd hold off one week and have it so your max effort is meet day. The one thing I cannot stress enough is to leave reps in the tank on your AMRAP sets and don't be afraid to cut a little volume. That program is ****ing killer. Excellent results, but it can take you out.

If you'll recall I actually strained my pec and had to stop benching on the 9th week of it last time because I took the AMRAP to RPE10 like a dumbass.

He suggests it as competing on the end of week 6, but to me it seems like it makes more sense to take a 100% of training max lift that day, add in some accessory (as he pulls it that week obviously) then deload from that and go to PR the next week. Seems like 4.5 days isn't much time to drop fatigue for a comp at all.
 
If you'll recall I actually strained my pec and had to stop benching on the 9th week of it last time because I took the AMRAP to RPE10 like a dumbass.

He suggests it as competing on the end of week 6, but to me it seems like it makes more sense to take a 100% of training max lift that day, add in some accessory (as he pulls it that week obviously) then deload from that and go to PR the next week. Seems like 4.5 days isn't much time to drop fatigue for a comp at all.

It's gonna work better his way. He's done it with somewhere around a hundred clients, I'd bet.
 
It's gonna work better his way. He's done it with somewhere around a hundred clients, I'd bet.

Can't argue with that logic. I will just take a bit of liberty on my heavier day tomorrow then restart the program next monday so it lines up w the comp.
 
Sumo speed/technique session

385X5x3

2" conv block pulls
385X2x10

BB rows off pins
225x2x8 kept bar away from body and pulled to upper abs. Very hard.

Rev hyper
330x20,16,10

GHR (hard setting)
3X8 soon to add a mini on that one.

Hanging leg raises/DB side bends

I'm liking the extra hypertrophy work in my sessions. Builds a wider base. Might do a meet September 10.TBD.
 
Is it just me or is the GHR much harder when the footpad is further away from the soft pad?

To me it's harder closer. Especially that top part where you get the peak ham contraction. I turned it up by putting a box under one end to elevate my feet further. The hardest is knees on top of the pad. I go just a little further away from that.
 
I jumped the gun on the last update. I got done early and still had energy, so I walked 1.75 miles in 35min. I tried a low incline and 3.5 mph pace, but the chafe got too real. So I cranked up the incline to 12 and slowed the pace down enough that I could keep up with my thighs a safe distance from each other (the width of the treadmill belt, in case you were wondering). Then did calves, good girls/bad girls, and one set of 20 reps each way on the four way neck machine. Hella Swole lower day.

I also slingshotted a barbell into my head doing the lying hip opener stretch to lead off my session. That sucked. Charlie horsed the shyt out of my bicep, too.
 
To me it's harder closer. Especially that top part where you get the peak ham contraction. I turned it up by putting a box under one end to elevate my feet further. The hardest is knees on top of the pad. I go just a little further away from that.

I just feel like unless it's close enough my heels come right off the plate. They kind of do anyway at the top of the curl.
 
I just feel like unless it's close enough my heels come right off the plate. They kind of do anyway at the top of the curl.

Well you're supposed to dig your toes into the plate to initiate the movement to begin with.
 
Rep bench

Duffalo
210X20,21 Got that sucker!

Axle seated OHP
205X6 PR

Rolling Tri
45X2x16

Lateral raise tri set (leaning away from a post, laying sideways on an incline bench, normal)
2X8/8/8

Chest supported row/chest supported shrug
80X2x8/8

Pullaparts (band anchored high and away, pullapart forms a triangle. Nice variation)
Monster x4x15

Hammer curls out the ass.

Good day. Lots of work accomplished. Did my warm up Duffalo with my feet up. That was a big stretch. I'm going to work toward doing more of those. I want to be bulletproof at my chest and moving moderate weight through that ROM is a good start. Still can't do pull ups due to whatever is going on in the lat/rhomboid/teres juncture. Goes to show fat boys shouldn't pull up.
 
^That was just to make me feel good about myself

Awesome ****in session, Dude

Haha maybe I could have done one more, but that felt like enough lol. 21 is a lot! I think these high rep sessions would help you. Swede said they're great for guys who can't seem to get their bench moving.
 
Haha maybe I could have done one more, but that felt like enough lol. 21 is a lot! I think these high rep sessions would help you. Swede said they're great for guys who can't seem to get their bench moving.

I might jump on the 5th set bandwagon after the strongman comp actually
 
I might jump on the 5th set bandwagon after the strongman comp actually

I love the base work the comp is laying down for you. I know personally I'm terrified of the higher rep ranges as a powerlifter. Good to dig into them and see what you're made of, build a different capacity for the work ahead.
 
Third bench day, benched my face off.

Work up
365x4 PR
Reactive slingshot
405X2
One board
455X1 PR
Rage X (jacked up)
495 barely bent my elbows
585 high float, easy
Put slack in shirt
585 low float

Jesus. I knew I'd added mass, bit I had no idea it was that much mass. I was a belly up away from getting a touch with 585 and I felt so compromised that I didn't ram it off my chest, but it still moved great. Might just bench single ply at the upcoming meet, I'm curious if 600 is in reach.

Oops, assistance.

Ultra close grip (middle finger on smooth) 3s pauses
335x2x3 all pecs here

JM off pins
185X10
205X10

Bamboo standing OHP
125X3x12

Lat pulldowns (light) 5 variations
Getting back into the move. Doesn't feel horrible as long as I set shoulders hard to start.

TRX upper back (2 ways)

Cable upper back (4ways)

Really feeling very strong on bench and I feel like leaving my abs alone. I love getting ready for bench only, too.
 
God damn man. Beast session.
 
Lower

Squat (Duffalo, briefs, light wrap)
510X3x3
560X2

Front squat
260X3x9

Hip circle 3/4" deficit sumo
335x6 singles. Hip circle is such a nasty piece of equipment.

Rev hyper with hip circle
230x4x15

GHR Hard setting
Monster x3x7

Good girl/bad girl
2x15/2x15 light weight, very slow tempo with long pauses at top and bottom.

Due for a post squat day tomorrow, No doubt. 510 didn't feel very good, but oh well. Was thinking of squatting in briefs at the upcoming meet, still on the fence there.
 
Where the hell do you put the hip circle on sumos?? The lowest possible point above your knees? I'm surprised it stretches that far...i never figured that it would.
 
Where the hell do you put the hip circle on sumos?? The lowest possible point above your knees? I'm surprised it stretches that far...i never figured that it would.

Up near the hip, less stretch and room for your arms to fit in there. Works great. I need a bigger one for sumos and a smaller one for reverse hypers. Used the hip circle on GHRs today too. I don't think that has any utility, though.
 
Did a lot of coaching today, but I also got a lift in.

Rep bench

Duffalo max legal
215X20,20

Bamboo seated OHP
88x15
122X12
156X2x10
122X8
88X6

Last three sets were a drop set. That's a tough exercise. The delt pump was intense.

Band Pushdowns
Doubled minis x2x20

That's all for today. I'll do an extra session tomorrow. Forearm was hurting a bit today from the heavy shirted bench and squatting out of a tight rack. Thankfully, didn't have any problem with the light weight today called for.
 
Finished upper and then got to pulls

Incline bamboo
205X2x6 too heavy
158X3x12 close medium wide

Curls on curls

Sumo on TPB no belt no shoes
405X5x3

I hate sumo. I'm ironing some things out, but it doesn't feel good and I hate being challenged by 60% of my good stance 1RM.

Below the knee rack pulls
135 + triple lights (quad lights were too much stretch) x3x5
One set sumo, one set snatch grip, one set conventional.

One leg strict reverse hyper
90X2x25

Tempo leg press (5/1/3/1)
4Plates per side x3x8 that's rough.

Standing bent over low pulley row (pulling in a line between lat pulldowns and high pulley row)
5X15 with tempo

Tough day. Did good work. Probably won't train tomorrow. If I do, I'll do upper back, rear delts, good girls/bad girls and post squat.
 
Did the post squat, hung upside down, six sets of pullaparts and chest supported row/shrug superset and got out. Hip felt decent today, Very out of character for the day after sumo pulls, but the post squat stuff knocked something loose in there and now it hurts like hell. I expect it will feel as good as it has in awhile tomorrow or the next day. One of those steps back to take a step forward deals.
 
Sumo on TPB no belt no shoes
405X5x3

I hate sumo. I'm ironing some things out, but it doesn't feel good and I hate being challenged by 60% of my good stance 1RM.

Amen brother, amen. (On the last sentence).
 
Bench day (5th set)
305X4x2
305x11 PR lost my 12 rep momentum lol

Duffalo feet up spoto
240X2x10

Axle tricep extension from the floor
115X3x10

Biceps on biceps

Upper back/rear delts

Swole as shyt today. Still a good session. Bought high volume this weekend and the pump got too real lol. Still plugging away.
 
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