Hastur
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Definitely, man! It's going in my next cycle for sure!
Introducing SUP3R-2 - The Ultimate 2-Androstenone Guide - All you need to know!
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Definitely, man! It's going in my next cycle for sure!
hamdysayed
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if I didn't have tren Epistane 11 kt 4 andro lined up for my next cycle I would have done it lol
Hastur
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Hey, I'm running 5 compounds.
In my book you have plenty of room.**Warning: Regarding experienced users only. Please use all products responsibly.
BamBam0319
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Some pretty little thangs came through today....
Some pretty little thangs came through today....
Adam1
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DonaldPump
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Second this.... Want to see how it compares to 1 andro
BamBam0319
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Well I'll be stacking with dbol the first 4-6 weeks of it, to kick off a 16-week test/EQ run but I'll still log it if that's wanted lol
Alpha1a
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You got 1 vote for logging from me!
GNO
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DO ITTTTTTT! :stick:
CJNator
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Do it!!!!
DonaldPump
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Not sure if running 1 & 2 will be redundant or not. But the sup3r-11 sup3r-1 and trest sounds pretty good! Could even sub the 1 andro for the sup3r-2.... Either way it's going to put on mass!
YoungBodyBuil
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I'm thinking about extending my 8 week oral to a 16 week oral.
16 weeks LGD
16 weeks OL DERMAFURY
16 weeks sup3r Epi
16 weeks sup3r-4
I bought 8 weeks worth with cycle supports cost about $600 so probably end up being about $1500 cycle after pct. super stoked though it's going to be the biggest best cycle I've ever ran
Running the sup3r-4 at 440 sup3r Epi at 1000 LGD at 12 and ol DERMAFURY at 200 for a full 16 weeks now, my source has the necessary amount. STOKED.
16 weeks LGD
16 weeks OL DERMAFURY
16 weeks sup3r Epi
16 weeks sup3r-4
I bought 8 weeks worth with cycle supports cost about $600 so probably end up being about $1500 cycle after pct. super stoked though it's going to be the biggest best cycle I've ever ran
Running the sup3r-4 at 440 sup3r Epi at 1000 LGD at 12 and ol DERMAFURY at 200 for a full 16 weeks now, my source has the necessary amount. STOKED.
rtmilburn
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Imo that's WAY TO LONG, especially for an oral only cycle.
Olympus UK
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Hopefully you got it to work.
Adam1
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11 for lean, 2 for gainz and Trest for gainz. Might be the ticket...
warpyfunch
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I thought I read in another thread recently that you don't like 4-andro. Did something change your thinking? I ask because I'll be including 4-andro in my own upcoming cycle, and I've seen some skeptical comments around here that have made me think harder about it. Apologies if I'm confusing you with someone else.
YoungBodyBuil
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YoungBodyBuil
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12 weeks would be better?
warpyfunch
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If you don't mind, can you link to or just sum up what was discussed? I saw an earlier convo debating whether 4-andro was worthwhile in a stack with 1-andro, as they would both be competing for the same limited quantity of the enzyme needed for conversion.
YoungBodyBuil
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Spaced dosing works best and it's not like we have such a small amount of those enzymes. What I'd do is 2 4 andro 2 1 andro pre workout if you workout am and then 1 of each at lunch and 1 of each at dinner if you're doing 440mg if not then just do 1 of each pre workout
warpyfunch
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Thanks, appreciate it.
Hastur
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LOG IT!
Depends on your goals, brother! The only difference between those stacks in one has 2 the other has 11, if you want to cut, use the one with 11, if you want to bulk or recomp use the 2!
Shouldn't be redundant, they may both throw on the muscle, but its not like he's stacking M1T and Superdrol. These are two non-methyl bulking compounds that are chemically distinct from each other, so there should be synergy with little if any negative interaction!
I would say 16 weeks is far too long, unless you are doing blood work to see where your lipids are at and whatnot. And I mean MID cycle. Longer cycles are something you see with AAS usage, and it requires more precautions. For instance, you could jack your hematocrit levels up to the point of needing to donate blood on a 16 week cycle. Even 12 weeks in pushing it. I'd say stick with 8 weeks, I might be alone, but a 4 compound stack for 4 months or even 3 months is just too long, and can be too rough on the body.
Glad I could clear things up, brother! I'm not sure what is causing apprehension, warpyfunch, but check out the discussion we had on it: Invalid Link Removed
Read from that post onward for the discussion, perhaps it will answer some questions you have.
Hastur
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Someone gets it! Repped! I'm taking 1000mg Epi, 330mg 1-Andro, 330mg 4-Andro, that's 1660mg of 2-step precursors daily, and I'm seeing amazing results. Just throwing that out there. Yes, I am stacking with Trest and 11-KT, and yes it is hard to separate individual effects when stacked. I mention this because to say otherwise would be shady. It is a 5 compound stack I'm running, but the results are phenomenal, and I'd run this stack again in the blink of an eye. That's how confident I am that I'm NOT wasting my Andros due to low availability of conversion enzymes... A concept that is overblown.
GNO
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You are totally alone lol. But seriously, longer than 8 weeks on an oral cycle is no bueno IMO. You will be putting a lot of stress on your body running a multi-compound stack incl. methyls to the point where at 8-10 weeks you will be happy to start PCT or be a hormonal mess lol.
Ever set 2 PRs in one workout and feel totally worthless? :frustrate
YoungBodyBuil
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Hastur
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No you aren't, but you have to understand, all hormonals wreck your body. I'm not running a single methyl and my BP and RHR are jacked through the roof, which is not healthy at all. And if I did blood work right now, my lipids would be skewed, low HDL, high LDL, Hematocrit is probably high as well, etc. This is why we cycle. It's not just liver health. Even guys who pin Blast and then Cruise to allow their lipids to recover, among other things.
YoungBodyBuil
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Im aware, i'm sticking to only 8 weeks, i have a lot of SARM experience just not a lot of PH experience, that's why i went with mild/beginner PH's and scrapped tr3st. Im also using 4 cycle supports, Arimacare pro, AI sports life support, Antaeus Labs Talos, and Antaeus Labs aegis, and the random viagra if my BP's high when i check it. Going to be starting in about a month just planning everything hence all the different cycle options and the dropping a lot on the cycle, i'd rather safe then sorry even if it means tons of cycle supports. Even has some letrone lined up if the arimacare pro can't handle 4 andro and it's aromatizing.
Edit: Do you feel 440 on 4-andro is too much?
DonaldPump
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Deff not, 440 should be fine IMO. I ran 330 for 8 weeks and no crazy sides to mention...
If anything start @330 and work your way up to 440
GNO
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thought I read you were using DermaTr3st, I was mistaken, but my point on stressing your body stands.
GNO
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If we can double or triple dose cycle supports to mitigate impact of multiple PHs I would be running 2-3 methyl at a time - high dosed. It doesn't work that way.
Hastur
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440mg 4-Andro is fine, you'll experience no sides on this. I've had tons of guys PM me using the same dosage.
This is quite true. Plenty of guys run pharma-level support and still require short cycles or less compounds, the effects are essentially mitigated only to certain extents and only for certain lengths of time.
BamBam0319
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Thinking about starting my log early, just so I can get my plan set in stone, answer any questions and take some advice if necessary. Thoughts?
DonaldPump
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Put it up!
F355
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So stoked for 2-andro. Not gonna lie, but OL has been dropping some fire lately and I'm especially excited to see what this one can do.
I know it's not the same, but does anyone have prior experience with desoxytest either TD or IM? From what I can recall, 2-androstenol should aid in strength, aggression, vascularity, and dry gains, ya? And not so much in the mass department, right?
So from that, can this be used on a cut? I see guys recommending it mostly for bulking but it's effects seem like it's way better suited for cutting or recomping than bulking, no? Seeing how it doesn't convert to estro as well. The only thing I see it messing up a cut is the bloat that one may get from the increase in sodium and water retention; which can be mitigated by diet, water, and potassium intake.
Also, can we expect an Elite version of 2-andro? And I know I may be asking for a lil too much, but any chance of it being offered lower in the future? I know it's sort of redundant to ask that after asking if an Elite version will be offered, but fck, there's just too much good stuff.
Honestly, I'm ready to push the button on it, but I just somehow want to be sure that it will deliver somewhat. I don't know why I should even question it because after researching endlessly, all the other Sup3r products have all gotten positive reviews. And I'm talking from unsponsored logs, as I don't really look at sponsored logs when researching a product.
I guess I just hope 2-andro will have a good conversion rate. And what really has me in a frenzy is that even though it's an "andro", it's actually a 1-step conversion rather than a 2-step.
Ugh, fck it, I'm going for it. And hopefully we'll see Sup3r 2-Andro Elite soon.
I know it's not the same, but does anyone have prior experience with desoxytest either TD or IM? From what I can recall, 2-androstenol should aid in strength, aggression, vascularity, and dry gains, ya? And not so much in the mass department, right?
So from that, can this be used on a cut? I see guys recommending it mostly for bulking but it's effects seem like it's way better suited for cutting or recomping than bulking, no? Seeing how it doesn't convert to estro as well. The only thing I see it messing up a cut is the bloat that one may get from the increase in sodium and water retention; which can be mitigated by diet, water, and potassium intake.
Also, can we expect an Elite version of 2-andro? And I know I may be asking for a lil too much, but any chance of it being offered lower in the future? I know it's sort of redundant to ask that after asking if an Elite version will be offered, but fck, there's just too much good stuff.
Honestly, I'm ready to push the button on it, but I just somehow want to be sure that it will deliver somewhat. I don't know why I should even question it because after researching endlessly, all the other Sup3r products have all gotten positive reviews. And I'm talking from unsponsored logs, as I don't really look at sponsored logs when researching a product.
I guess I just hope 2-andro will have a good conversion rate. And what really has me in a frenzy is that even though it's an "andro", it's actually a 1-step conversion rather than a 2-step.
Ugh, fck it, I'm going for it. And hopefully we'll see Sup3r 2-Andro Elite soon.
Adam1
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Do it!
Jebrook
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Yes, Sup3r 2 is very exciting! Can't wait to see feedback start rolling in. Also, at this point there are no plans for the Elite size version, although I will pass the request along. We've done our very best to give you guys the most efficacious dosing and per cap value that we can.
BamBam0319
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Alright errbody, thread is up and running:
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Hastur
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Hmm, I'm not sure where you heard its better for cutting than bulking, but that's really not true. Though to be fair, you can cut or bulk on any compound if you are experienced enough. They say the pros used to cut on Dbol... But the ability for a compound to aromatize does nothing to dictate its bulking abilities. Sure, there are wet gainers out there, but plenty of others that are dry and add mass as well. Superdrol, Dymethazine, Pheraplex all do not aromatize. And they all pile on the muscle. I could write quite a list actually. Any 'wet' effects I've explained in the write up. It's bulking effects come from the nature of the compound itself, and not just bloating or water retention. I think you'll like it if you give it a shot, but of course, like all things... You get out what you put in. Diet and training has to be on point!
Subbed, brother!
F355
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Hastur, my apologies. You're right. The ability of a compound to aromatize does not dictate whether or not it's suitable for cutting or bulking. I guess I just stated that because most wet compounds aren't really recommended for cutting; because of the estro conversion. But you're right, a lot of dry compounds pack on muscle just as well if not better than the wet ones.
As to where I heard that about desoxytest, just look up logs where guys have ran desoxy ace or desoxy cyp. Almost all of them concluded it to be more of a cosmetic compound than an actual muscle gainer. It gave increases in strength, aggression, mood, vascularity, hardness, and decrease in body fat. All quality traits of a cutter.
If 2-andro is the ph to 2-androstenol, I'd think it'd be more of a recomper and cutter than a bulker. Your thoughts?
As to where I heard that about desoxytest, just look up logs where guys have ran desoxy ace or desoxy cyp. Almost all of them concluded it to be more of a cosmetic compound than an actual muscle gainer. It gave increases in strength, aggression, mood, vascularity, hardness, and decrease in body fat. All quality traits of a cutter.
If 2-andro is the ph to 2-androstenol, I'd think it'd be more of a recomper and cutter than a bulker. Your thoughts?
Hastur
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Nothing to apologize for, brother! I know the logs you speak of, the write-up on the first page was written having researched both the precursor and the target conversion hormone. There is something to be said of their diets, training styles, and stacking of other compounds. All logs I can across showed confounding variables. Again, any hormonal can be utilized for cutting, recomping, bulking IF you are experienced enough to know how. Give our product a bit of time to be on the market, we can talk hypotheticals all day, but there has never been a 2-Andro product at this high of a dosage. At the dosages people will be running it at, and the diversity of goals people have who are using it, we'll see how well it works in due time.
YoungBodyBuil
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In your speculative honest opinion, how do you think Sup3r-2 at 500mg vs 75mg halodrol both at 6 weeks, which would be better in terms of lean bulking, i know we have no real world data but humor me.
Hastur
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You mean take a total shot in the dark? No comparison can be made. Even a hypothetical one. I'd assume 75mg Halodrol because it's a methylated steroid, and is active as is. Methyls tend to be much stronger than non-methyls. Plus 2-Andro doesn't have any logs completed at these dosages, and Halodrol does. We can't say what 2-Andro is fully capable of yet.
YoungBodyBuil
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See this is why I like you, you're a rep but don't overly push your products. Respect! I already bought 2 bottles of Sup3r 2 anyways lol, gonna save it for a winter bulk though and just use my halodrol as a finisher.
Hastur
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Thank you, sir! I really do want to see people make the best decision for them. There's no reason you can't stack SUP3R-2 at 500mg and Halodrol at 75mg. That would be a nice bulking cycle. I miss Halodrol, honestly. It was my favorite pre-ban PH. So mild, and so effective.
Hastur
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That's the truth. A lot of people may think it's a sales pitch, but I'd be using this product regardless of my rep status. I've seen great results with them, and they have helped me achieve my goals. I know that SUP3R-2 will do the same for those who decide to give it a shot! I'm going to snag 2-3 bottles for my next cycle!
BamBam0319
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I already snagged mine but I'm waiting to run them until later in the cycle, so they're just gonna be sitting there taunting me for the next month or so
