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Smith_69 Goes 11 KT ~~ Nutra Innovations

HIT4ME said:
Wow, 2 pounds with no restrictions and McDs!? Just the McDs would have me back up a pound.
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its been extremely hot this week and hotter in the gym. sweatin my ass off the past few days and doing more of these temp reps, just working the muscles harder. only restriction was nighttime after 7 pm. today was a cheat day i guess lol.

most important, strength has not diminished at all and not feeling fatigued
 
smith_69 said:
its been extremely hot this week and hotter in the gym. sweatin my ass off the past few days and doing more of these temp reps, just working the muscles harder. only restriction was nighttime after 7 pm. today was a cheat day i guess lol.

most important, strength has not diminished at all and not feeling fatigued
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I hate it when it gets hot here. I mean i like the heat and like working out in the heat too honestly. But when it gets hot here they have AC cranked up at the gym so its too cold in there. I hate it
 
there were a lot of people complaining this week and found out that they were having ac issues. will be fixed over the weekend and should be good by tuesday. if not, well im screwed lol
 
smith_69 said:
there were a lot of people complaining this week and found out that they were having ac issues. will be fixed over the weekend and should be good by tuesday. if not, well im screwed lol
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AC issues in the gym are gooood for a cut, don't complain.
 
hairygrandpa said:
AC issues in the gym are gooood for a cut, don't complain.
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i look good in ac or in heat. bro the sun shines on me even at night, how i roll
 
smith_69 said:
lmao

hold on, i see movement lmao
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Today I "saw movement", it was an 22 caliber special, like new out of the box. How do I know it? I looked down the fugging barrel.
Not gonna hijack your thread anymore.
Good log so far, interesting compound to review, keep it rolling!
 
hairygrandpa said:
Today I "saw movement", it was an 22 caliber special, like new out of the box. How do I know it? I looked down the fugging barrel.
Not gonna hijack your thread anymore.
Good log so far, interesting compound to review, keep it rolling!
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hijack smyjack- you know you are always welcome- besides, thats not how i do logs anyway, you know me
 
smith_69 said:
No issues with 11 feeling like it came off during my workout and noticed that the smell was a little stronger. sweat intensified the scent? could be.
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It get's in pretty quick, depending on where you apply. But the application sites that work more slowly (like forearms) are usually less perturbed by movement and clothing anyway, so just give it a 30-60min head start before the sweat starts rolling and you should be fine no matter where you spray it.

And yes, it contains volatile oils that vaporize proportional to your body temp, so it should smell stronger when you heat up. This effect is most noticeable in the first 6hrs after application, and most good deodorants and colognes are formulated to offer this kind of linear odor profile. They don't all kick azz like this one tho. ;)
 
hairygrandpa said:
Today I "saw movement", it was an 22 caliber special, like new out of the box. How do I know it? I looked down the fugging barrel.
Not gonna hijack your thread anymore.
Good log so far, interesting compound to review, keep it rolling!
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With a name like Smith69, I'm pretty sure he's graduated from the double deuce and started packin' a 44 now. :)
 
It really is a pleasant smell and i like it. I am starting to notice about 30 min after i apply, i am in a better mood and more focused to do things with great energy.

I have been telling everyone I meet to give Nutra a try because they wont be disappointed. I have used other products up to this point, this is by far the best supplements i have used.
 
I took off on sat, sun and mon. We are moving in a month and 1/2 so we took this time to start cleaning and packing up. I did start at 7 sprays over the weekend and it did make more of a difference. Lots of cardio (up and down the stairs) throwing out bags and moving stuff around. BBQ on Sunday and enjoyed myself with friends and family.
 
Today hit 8 sprays and will stay at that for the next few days and 11 still dries quickly and the smell is great. I am noticing that after an hour, i feel like i am really ready to take on the day. Just more energized, focused and feeling great.

this week is going to be strictly one muscle group with supersets- i only have a limited time as we have a guy out on vacation.
shoulders today and after the 3 day break that i really needed (shoulder is starting to bother me again) jalfrey i need joint support asap! Started with

military press and after the warm ups
3 sets at 225 8 reps

shrugs- front and then behind the back
225 x12 front 225 x12 back- 3 sets

db front raises alt arm
3 sets
35 x 10 and then
35 x 10 both arms side lat raise

finished with db shrugs with 3-5-3 tempo
65 x 12 3 sets

sweat was pretty intense but again, i smelled great! Using mono pump as well and my shoulders, WOW- felt like my traps were going to explode. Really felt great and the pump again stayed with me until 3 pm- gym finished at 1245.

short but very focused and pump filled workout
 
smith_69 said:
Today hit 8 sprays and will stay at that for the next few days and 11 still dries quickly and the smell is great. I am noticing that after an hour, i feel like i am really ready to take on the day. Just more energized, focused and feeling great.

this week is going to be strictly one muscle group with supersets- i only have a limited time as we have a guy out on vacation.
shoulders today and after the 3 day break that i really needed (shoulder is starting to bother me again) jalfrey i need joint support asap! Started with

military press and after the warm ups
3 sets at 225 8 reps

shrugs- front and then behind the back
225 x12 front 225 x12 back- 3 sets

db front raises alt arm
3 sets
35 x 10 and then
35 x 10 both arms side lat raise

finished with db shrugs with 3-5-3 tempo
65 x 12 3 sets

sweat was pretty intense but again, i smelled great! Using mono pump as well and my shoulders, WOW- felt like my traps were going to explode. Really felt great and the pump again stayed with me until 3 pm- gym finished at 1245.

short but very focused and pump filled workout
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Tried BB shrugs behind the back, but my ass gets in the way. What do I wrong?
 
hairygrandpa said:
Tried BB shrugs behind the back, but my ass gets in the way. What do I wrong?
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lean forward a little more- its easier on the smith but if you are using squat rack, i use a slight bend at the knee, which will help to avoid hitting the backside. worse comes to worse, if it rolls up your backside, it will help keep it controlled, just focus on the movement and contraction
 
smith_69 said:
lean forward a little more- its easier on the smith but if you are using squat rack, i use a slight bend at the knee, which will help to avoid hitting the backside. worse comes to worse, if it rolls up your backside, it will help keep it controlled, just focus on the movement and contraction
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Thank you, I knew you would know about butt issues. <---- :run:

Seriously, will try it next time.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Thank you, I knew you would know about butt issues. <---- :run:

Seriously, will try it next time.
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start with the bar, then use 25, then 45 to get he motion down. you go to heavy and dont have the form, you dont want to hurt yourself. cause your old and stuff
 
smith_69 said:
start with the bar, then use 25, then 45 to get he motion down. you go to heavy and dont have the form, you dont want to hurt yourself. cause your old and stuff
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Yes, got it. Will first use the bar, should I put lube on it?
 
christ83189 said:
Getting excited for my 11kt to come reading how its treating you. Cant wait!
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i love it- as soon as the protein is released will order another bottle and oral 11. C, im just so surprised how good this is, i dont think youll be disappointed
 
I'm trying to decide if I want to finish this run with another bottle of the spray or give the caps a go!
 
Smith, when I am out of my OL stash, I am going to want to give this a go, and the oral version too.

And what is it with everyone one this board military pressing more than 200 pounds. I feel so weak. I have to figure out a way to get these numbers up, haha.
 
HIT4ME said:
Smith, when I am out of my OL stash, I am going to want to give this a go, and the oral version too.

And what is it with everyone one this board military pressing more than 200 pounds. I feel so weak. I have to figure out a way to get these numbers up, haha.
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sounds good bro

one muscle group that I have really been focusing on and has made a huge in my
close grip press, behind the head tri ext, db side and front raises

is wrist curls, reverse throttle curls, behind the back wrist curls, rev preacher curls, rev straight bar curls. Having more strength in my forearms has made doing the other exercise easier.
 
Interesting...but makes sense. Any weak link will cause a failure.
 
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HIT4ME said:
And what is it with everyone one this board military pressing more than 200 pounds. I feel so weak. I have to figure out a way to get these numbers up, haha.
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I think the Press takes some dedication to get stronger in. A lot of people treat it as an assistance exercise (while the Bench Press/Deadlift/Squat are the main ones) and don't train it as hard as they can.
 
Haha, so you say you've been training forearms? I see your point.
 
ma70 said:
I think the Press takes some dedication to get stronger in. A lot of people treat it as an assistance exercise (while the Bench Press/Deadlift/Squat are the main ones) and don't train it as hard as they can.
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This is true. It isn't quite assistance for me, but I don't approach it with the same mindset as I would for a deadlift, bench or squat.
 
8 sprays today

hit forearms and back again had to superset this entire workout to get back to work but love the challenge
- which are getting bigger and im loving it, back lats are getting wider and stronger.

hammer strength seated independent rows and ss with closer grip rows
hammer strength iso low puls
standing assisted t bar with bent over db raises

behind the back straight bar wrist curls ss with gripper curls
these were a bitch!

i have mentioned before for people who are struggling with other parts of their body. if you are lagging with your forearms, build them up. want to see just how important they are,
do some wrist curls, throttle curls, rev curls and db seated wrist curls

now, go do your bicep workout, or back. you will see just how much your grip and forearms come into play

down to 202 from 206- feeling great all day, with a good sweat at the gym also.

in sides or any issues to report from 11 just that i love it
NutraChem love this stuff- might need to talk to you about some cologne - a bro moment - lol
 
ma70 said:
I think the Press takes some dedication to get stronger in. A lot of people treat it as an assistance exercise (while the Bench Press/Deadlift/Squat are the main ones) and don't train it as hard as they can.
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well said
 
smith_69 said:
8 sprays today

hit forearms and back again had to superset this entire workout to get back to work but love the challenge
- which are getting bigger and im loving it, back lats are getting wider and stronger.

hammer strength seated independent rows and ss with closer grip rows
hammer strength iso low puls
standing assisted t bar with bent over db raises

behind the back straight bar wrist curls ss with gripper curls
these were a bitch!

i have mentioned before for people who are struggling with other parts of their body. if you are lagging with your forearms, build them up. want to see just how important they are,
do some wrist curls, throttle curls, rev curls and db seated wrist curls

now, go do your bicep workout, or back. you will see just how much your grip and forearms come into play

down to 202 from 206- feeling great all day, with a good sweat at the gym also.

in sides or any issues to report from 11 just that i love it
NutraChem love this stuff- might need to talk to you about some cologne - a bro moment - lol
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Haha, good to hear you're diggin' it. I love those seated hammer rows too, really able to focus on that contraction and keep good form.

Lats are looking sick bro!

This 11KT is legit at 2mls.
 
jalfrey said:
I'm trying to decide if I want to finish this run with another bottle of the spray or give the caps a go!
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HIT4ME said:
Smith, when I am out of my OL stash, I am going to want to give this a go, and the oral version too.

And what is it with everyone one this board military pressing more than 200 pounds. I feel so weak. I have to figure out a way to get these numbers up, haha.
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Guys,

let me know when you want to run the oral and spray or just oral only. I will run this with you, would be good to compare how we are all doing or give suggest any corrections. this will be completely new for me, so if you give me a time frame ill be ready to run when you do if you want.

just let me know
 
I am 3 weeks into a a 12 week OL Sup3r-11 cycle right now...so it is unfortunately going to be a while. The oral idea intrigues me because 1-1.2 grams of 11-oxo was great and I think that compound had some ...lacking the right words....alternative effects as compared to 11-KT. Almost like it had some activity even if it didn't convert to 11-KT that was beneficial for fat loss.

It would be good to see if 11-KT had similar effects orally, but more pronounced.

The Nutra 11-KT topical seems interesting too...it would be good to compare to OL. SUP3R-11 seems really good to me so far...they both seem like worthy products.
 
HIT4ME said:
I am 3 weeks into a a 12 week OL Sup3r-11 cycle right now...so it is unfortunately going to be a while. The oral idea intrigues me because 1-1.2 grams of 11-oxo was great and I think that compound had some ...lacking the right words....alternative effects as compared to 11-KT. Almost like it had some activity even if it didn't convert to 11-KT that was beneficial for fat loss.

It would be good to see if 11-KT had similar effects orally, but more pronounced.

The Nutra 11-KT topical seems interesting too...it would be good to compare to OL. SUP3R-11 seems really good to me so far...they both seem like worthy products.
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ok sounds good, just give me a 2 week heads up
 
HIT4ME said:
I am 3 weeks into a a 12 week OL Sup3r-11 cycle right now...so it is unfortunately going to be a while. The oral idea intrigues me because 1-1.2 grams of 11-oxo was great and I think that compound had some ...lacking the right words....alternative effects as compared to 11-KT. Almost like it had some activity even if it didn't convert to 11-KT that was beneficial for fat loss.

It would be good to see if 11-KT had similar effects orally, but more pronounced.

The Nutra 11-KT topical seems interesting too...it would be good to compare to OL. SUP3R-11 seems really good to me so far...they both seem like worthy products.
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Is SUP3R-11 a topical?

As far as 11-Oxo comparison, it definitely has activity in it's unconverted state. 11KT seems almost like a different animal though.

There are notable 2 benefits involved here. I believe that both compounds possess strong anti-catabolic properties but 11KT seems to have distinctly superior myotrophic potential. Similar results to 11-Oxo can be had with 1/4 the dose using 11KT, and hopefully with retention of those impressive slimming effects 11-Oxo has (if a similar degree of cortisol conversion inhibition is involved, assuming that was the mechanism explaining the magic.)

But what really stands out so far is basal metabolic status. 11KT is far more energetic (suggesting anti-cat) but I've yet to test if that reverses at high doses. 11-Oxo offers a sense of well-being too at low doses, but not even close in the energy department to 11KT. In fact, 11-Oxo is actually sedative to me at higher doses, so maybe something else is going on besides corticometric effects, just as you speculate.

It will be interesting to see how useful this 11-KT is, but my initial impressions are already very positive about this compound, and it seem just as active orally as it dose topically.
 
NutraChem said:
Is SUP3R-11 a topical?

As far as 11-Oxo comparison, it definitely has activity in it's unconverted state. 11KT seems almost like a different animal though.

There are notable 2 benefits involved here. I believe that both compounds possess strong anti-catabolic properties but 11KT seems to have distinctly superior myotrophic potential. Similar results to 11-Oxo can be had with 1/4 the dose using 11KT, and hopefully with retention of those impressive slimming effects 11-Oxo has (if a similar degree of cortisol conversion inhibition is involved, assuming that was the mechanism explaining the magic.)

But what really stands out so far is basal metabolic status. 11KT is far more energetic (suggesting anti-cat) but I've yet to test if that reverses at high doses. 11-Oxo offers a sense of well-being too at low doses, but not even close in the energy department to 11KT. In fact, 11-Oxo is actually sedative to me at higher doses, so maybe something else is going on besides corticometric effects, just as you speculate.

It will be interesting to see how useful this 11-KT is, but my initial impressions are already very positive about this compound, and it seem just as active orally as it dose topically.
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Sup3r-11 IS a topical. Dosed at 250 mg/day in 4 ml of carrier. i.e. - 62.5 mg/ml and 120 ml/bottle.

Hey, since you're talking about overcoming oral bioavailability issues here with the 11-KT - what about Ursolic Acid or Curcumin? Any ideas for those? I think an Ursolic Acid compound that was bioavailable could be a great adjunct to this type of product, and it's non-hormonal of course.
 
HIT4ME said:
Sup3r-11 IS a topical. Dosed at 250 mg/day in 4 ml of carrier. i.e. - 62.5 mg/ml and 120 ml/bottle.

Hey, since you're talking about overcoming oral bioavailability issues here with the 11-KT - what about Ursolic Acid or Curcumin? Any ideas for those? I think an Ursolic Acid compound that was bioavailable could be a great adjunct to this type of product, and it's non-hormonal of course.
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I've been trying to overcome the same issues with Oleanolic and Maslinic acid, which I suspect would be even more impressive that Ursolic. And did come up with a broad-spectrum delivery enhancing system for oral ingredients (TetraSorb plus enteric caps) but have not yet had time to properly reevaluate these triterpenes on a solo basis. I promise i will make an effort to do it again as soon as reasonably achievable though!
 
6/2
8 sprays today and will make it 10 over the weekend. Love 11 KT! More energy, stamina in the gym and the harder I hit the weights, more I sweat. Which means less cardio for me!
I have noticed more vascularity in my arms and chest. Diet has been ok, nothing too crazy and still appetite has stayed the same. hunger in the afternoons and at dinner. holding at 201, but strength has not decreased. If I can get my BF to low double digits or high single ill be good. I mean I can but ill just use some burn xtreme to help make it easier!

no issues to report-
hit bi's yesterday and again really good workout- love this and monopump combo-
 
The last time I decided to go for it I got down to 5.1% BF @ 216lbs. It was the best I've ever looked but the worst I've ever felt! I've never found a way to feel healthy and still be ripped, but every now and then I'll go for it again just to see if anything's changed, lol.
 
NutraChem said:
The last time I decided to go for it I got down to 5.1% BF @ 216lbs. It was the best I've ever looked but the worst I've ever felt! I've never found a way to feel healthy and still be ripped, but every now and then I'll go for it again just to see if anything's changed, lol.
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I will trust your company to make this kind of product. Thanks :)
 
NutraChem said:
The last time I decided to go for it I got down to 5.1% BF @ 216lbs. It was the best I've ever looked but the worst I've ever felt! I've never found a way to feel healthy and still be ripped, but every now and then I'll go for it again just to see if anything's changed, lol.
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Yes, I know how that feels.
When I got finally down to 17% BF, I felt sh1tty too, LOL
Nowadays I prefer to grow around the fat.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Yes, I know how that feels.
When I got finally down to 17% BF, I felt sh1tty too, LOL
Nowadays I prefer to grow around the fat.
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Haha, 17% is my 'happy place' too. It just feels so much better, like the impending cardiac explosion has been cancelled. :)
 
lol
 
NutraChem said:
The last time I decided to go for it I got down to 5.1% BF @ 216lbs. It was the best I've ever looked but the worst I've ever felt! I've never found a way to feel healthy and still be ripped, but every now and then I'll go for it again just to see if anything's changed, lol.
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5.1% bf at 216lbs is impressive...props!!!

so you are not just a pretty boy egghead, lol.:stooges:
 
Hey smith_69 i got a questiom. Im just passed my second dose of 11kt. I just wanna know if its placebo or not. A few minutes after dosing i seem to have a better sense of well being and just feel great. Does this happen to you too?
 
I think Smith might agree, the energy boost is legit. The 11-KT seems to have this inherent ability.

Also, our cologne formulations (including the AlphaDrone and non-hormonal carrier) are tweaked for energy potential. I don't mean to sound like ours is better, but honestly it probably does "feel" stronger than others and it's not an accident. ;)
 
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