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The New Product Release Thread

Virtus​

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New Topical Aromatase Inhibitor from Iron Legion


We had some trouble with solubility that delayed the launch but Virtus will be hitting shelves any minute now!
 
nostrum420 said:
Virtus​

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New Topical Aromatase Inhibitor from Iron Legion


We had some trouble with solubility that delayed the launch but Virtus will be hitting shelves any minute now!
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Ingredient(s)?
 
so i assume we just rub that straight on our gyno filled nipples haha... can't wait til that question comes up in a thread
 
YoungBodyBuil said:
Why is that? It actually has some really nice benefits.
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From my experience (although this was a long time ago when I was more naïve) I did not feel any benefits from it except tingles, and also, to my knowledge, Beta Alanine is a saturation product, not an acute product. I don't workout every day, so it'll never saturate, or maybe it'll take a long time to do so.
 
ma70 said:
From my experience (although this was a long time ago when I was more naïve) I did not feel any benefits from it except tingles, and also, to my knowledge, Beta Alanine is a saturation product, not an acute product. I don't workout every day, so it'll never saturate, or maybe it'll take a long time to do so.
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So basically gives you the feel of being stimmed without such effect?
 
The data on BA isn't overly fantastic. Some of the data I looked at, was actually not good at all. The sensory gave a fantastic placebo impact. It is a load style ingredient for sure. I think it takes about a month
 
1Fast400 said:
The data on BA isn't overly fantastic. Some of the data I looked at, was actually not good at all. The sensory gave a fantastic placebo impact. It is a load style ingredient for sure. I think it takes about a month
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I been saying this for while :|

But the amount of people who want that tingle is insane... even from the so called Bro's who claim to know better lol

When I was with Ergo they would get emails all the time asking why doesn't it have beta alanine and they wouldn't buy it unless they added it etc etc all the time.
 
Yeah seriously, I'd probably like 3-4 other preworkouts not named Conqu3r Unleashed if they didn't have Beta Alanine in them.
 
Rob1882 said:
I been saying this for while :|

But the amount of people who want that tingle is insane... even from the so called Bro's who claim to know better lol

When I was with Ergo they would get emails all the time asking why doesn't it have beta alanine and they wouldn't buy it unless they added it etc etc all the time.
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I can't understand wanting the tingle. I absolutely hate it and it is a huge annoyance. It doesn't make me want to lift or do anything of the sort. It makes me want to stay home from the gym and scratch my head.
 
YoungBodyBuil said:
Why is that? It actually has some really nice benefits.
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It has no acute benefits, is better with split dosing, and "carnosine loading is significantly higher when PBA is coingested with a meal (+64%) compared with in between the meals (+41%)." It really doesn't lend itself to being taken in a large pre-workout dose except for people who like the tingling.
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Plus, it's generally not recommended to take taurine and beta alanine together (although I'm not sure how relevant this truly is), and taurine actually has acute benefits in the context of pre-workout supplementation. I'd rather have taurine pre-workout than beta alanine. If I want beta alanine, I'll take it another time(s) throughout the day, preferably split with 2-3 meals.
 
1Fast400 said:
The data on BA isn't overly fantastic. Some of the data I looked at, was actually not good at all. The sensory gave a fantastic placebo impact. It is a load style ingredient for sure. I think it takes about a month
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It depends on the context in which it's being used. It seems to be more useful for various sports than it would be for powerlifting/bodybuilding/weightlifting, although lifting is why most people take pre-workouts in the first place.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
It depends on the context in which it's being used. It seems to be more useful for various sports than it would be for powerlifting/bodybuilding/weightlifting, although lifting is why most people take pre-workouts in the first place.
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The data with track and field athletes was not good. I love track and field athletes for studies. I have some olympic trial athletes on some things now :)
 
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Last week Performax Labs released a bit more information on its upcoming HyperMax XT reformulation. We got confirmation of its serving size, that it’s added a trademarked ingredient and that the main stimulant will still be eria jarensis extract. As a follow up the brand has now done a similar kind of thing for its other recently revealed product, the entirely new PowerMax XT.

In a surprise turn of events Performax has confirmed that PowerMax XT isn’t the entirely new supplement we suspected it to be. In the family photograph that initially unveiled it, we managed to miss the fact that CreMax XT was not in the shot. The main reason that’s important is because PowerMax is actually replacing CreMax as an upgraded version of sorts. To add to the update the brand has said that almost everything in PowerMax is from CreMax, with some of the ingredients also getting their doses increased.

More details on PowerMax XT as well as HyperMax XT are expected to be along very soon, as the products themselves are due to be available within the next few weeks.
 
1Fast400 said:
The data with track and field athletes was not good. I love track and field athletes for studies. I have some olympic trial athletes on some things now :)
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Good results with football players and wrestlers:
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Another study on college football players:
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And recreationally active men:
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And women:
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And elite rowers:
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I'm not saying it's a miracle supplement by any means, but for the few dollars it costs per month, it is potentially beneficial for athletes.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
Good results with football players and wrestlers:
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I'm not saying it's a miracle supplement by any means, but for the few dollars it costs per month, it is potentially beneficial for athletes.
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I rarely pay attention to abstracts. I like full papers. I'm too lazy to go pull the track and field study, but it sounded good, till you read the paper. Also, the number of people taking 4g of BA is VERY limited. I'm not saying it's not of any value, but it's inclusion in pre workouts have zero to do with the performance data, it's all about the tingles. If it had no sensory impact, it would be a random ingredient hardly being used.
 
1Fast400 said:
I rarely pay attention to abstracts. I like full papers. I'm too lazy to go pull the track and field study, but it sounded good, till you read the paper. Also, the number of people taking 4g of BA is VERY limited. I'm not saying it's not of any value, but it's inclusion in pre workouts have zero to do with the performance data, it's all about the tingles. If it had no sensory impact, it would be a random ingredient hardly being used.
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It is worth noting that one study showing good results in healthy young men when combined with HIIT used 6g beta alanine (split between 4 doses) for 3 weeks followed by 3g (split between 2 doses) for 3 weeks.

Another study that showed positive results in elite rowers used 5g beta alanine (split between 5 doses) for 7 weeks.

With that said, it still seems that, assuming you are willing to split 4-5g beta alanine per day into 2-3 doses (preferably with meals), it can really be a beneficial supplement, especially for athletes.

I do agree that it's in pre-workouts for the feeling of tingles, but some people really seem to like that for whatever reason. I do remember it getting me "ready" to lift and making me think that my pre-workout must be "kicking in" or "working" when I was less experienced with supplements. At the end of the day, the average pre-workout user (educated users are a minority, and people on the forums are a minority of a minority) takes pre-workouts purely for subjective feelings (mostly things energy related in my experience) to get them ready/wanting to lift, and a lot of people find that beta alanine gives them this feeling, so it isn't all bad I suppose; there are plenty of ingredients in commercial pre-workout supplements that, for whatever reason (either being completely useless or just horribly dosed), don't do anything at all (not even provide any sensory impact).

There are some ingredients that are polarizing for some people; some people love beta alanine, some people hate it. Same with pre-workouts with yohimbine I suppose. As long as a supplement is effectively dosed with effective ingredients at a reasonable price, I don't see a problem with it including beta alanine. Everyone has their own opinion though.
 
Geoforce said:
I can't understand wanting the tingle. I absolutely hate it and it is a huge annoyance. It doesn't make me want to lift or do anything of the sort. It makes me want to stay home from the gym and scratch my head.
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I must admit, I like the tingles!!
 
The Solution said:
Core is officially bringing back its DMAA formula Core Zap

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Decent formula but 22 servings? Lame. Would need 3 bottles for an 8 week run. If price point is good then it's understandable.
 
Afi140 said:
Decent formula but 22 servings? Lame. Would need 3 bottles for an 8 week run. If price point is good then it's understandable.
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Says to only dose 5 days out of the week with 2 days off.
 
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