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Introducing SUP3R-11 - The Ultimate 11-Ketotestosterone Guide - All you need to know!

JONimal said:
Only have nolva for now is that ok until my Ralox comes in. Also picked up torem for pct first time what dosage is that run at?
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Nolva will work, it's just Ralox is better for gyno, that's all. And for Torem, for something this mild I'd go 60/60/60/60, but some guys like to taper the dosage down.

jcam222 said:
So day 2 of my 11-KT. Smells great, dries fast looking forward to it kicking in. I do however notice it feels extremely gritty as though a lot of hormone isn't dissolved. I can visibly see the grit as well. Should I heat it in a water bath? I just want to make sure I'm getting full dosage and maximum absorbsion.
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You can go back over the application sites with hand sanitizer and it should help further dissolve visible crystals.
 
khall1974 said:
How long can I run 11kt before a pct is required?
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That's a unique question. What do you mean? It's typically used 4-8 weeks. At which point, a PCT is recommended once the cycle has ended. Are you trying to run it without having to PCT afterwards? Because if you use it at all, you're going to start affecting the HPTA, it's hormonal after all. So even if you used it for a week, which I wouldn't recommend, you should do some sort of PCT to get the HPTA back up to 100%.
 
Alright....here is the start of my log...no noods yet...gotta leave something to look forward to.

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Can OTC supplements be run for the PCT? I know that nolvadex is recommended, but where are you guys sourcing this? I have a pretty conservative PCP, and I remember back in the day when I was running PH's, I would get liquid nolvadex from some of the 'research companies'. Any input would be appreciated, this is the only thing stopping me from doing this at this point..
 
KimChee75 said:
Can OTC supplements be run for the PCT? I know that nolvadex is recommended, but where are you guys sourcing this? I have a pretty conservative PCP, and I remember back in the day when I was running PH's, I would get liquid nolvadex from some of the 'research companies'. Any input would be appreciated, this is the only thing stopping me from doing this at this point..
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When it was XI-KT and the dose was 85 mg per day, you could get away with OTC. IMO - this product is fully dosed but the downside is, you really should not risk skipping the SERM if you are using this at full dose. Research companies do sell this compound, and there are some sponsors on this site.
 
khall1974 said:
What has been the feedback on 11kt? Any logs out there?
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No one's had it for longer than like a week. Read through this thread, people have run 11-kt from other brands before.
 
khall1974 said:
What has been the feedback on 11kt? Any logs out there?
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There are at least two logs for SUP3R-11 being run at the moment, but like BamBam said, no one has had it longer than a week. Plus, my log is a stack, not a solo run. As is the other log containing SUP3R-11. I'm sure solo logs will be popping up at some point.
 
How long is approximated absorption time? Asking bc if I go to the beach or apply sunscreen should I be worried about negating effects or it washing off? Also is 2x day dosing more effective or just reccomended for absorption / "steady release" purposes?
 
JONimal said:
How long is approximated absorption time? Asking bc if I go to the beach or apply sunscreen should I be worried about negating effects or it washing off? Also is 2x day dosing more effective or just reccomended for absorption / "steady release" purposes?
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Judging from statements made by Patrick Arnold, it seems like 10 minutes or so is all thats needed for absorption, and it would likely be safe to shower after that. Though not ideal, in my opinion. Split dosing would be more effective if you plan on wasting off the application area relatively soon following application.
 
Volvo140G said:
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This baby's still ripe for a couple days
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UGH. This is my first hormonal cycle. Was going to run at 250mg a day for 4 weeks. Everything has been going well, sooooo I'm very tempted to make this an 8 week run but not sure if I should keep it at 4 just because it's my first cycle!
 
AndrewMcD said:
UGH. This is my first hormonal cycle. Was going to run at 250mg a day for 4 weeks. Everything has been going well, sooooo I'm very tempted to make this an 8 week run but not sure if I should keep it at 4 just because it's my first cycle!
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Go 8. You'll be happier. If you go 4, you'll always wonder what you missed.
 
So just to be clear how many ml are there in one full pump? I've been using 2 full pumps a day the first two days and I am not positive I know the answer.
 
AndrewMcD said:
haha that's what I keep thinking?

Would this require a different PCT?
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The PCT for a 4 week run should really be pretty much the same as an 8 week run, IMO. But I plan on 8 week PCTs....
 
jcam222 said:
So just to be clear how many ml are there in one full pump? I've been using 2 full pumps a day the first two days and I am not positive I know the answer.
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2 ml/pump. 2 pumps/day will last 30 days.
 
AndrewMcD said:
haha that's what I keep thinking?

Would this require a different PCT?
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Are you running just 8 weeks of 11-KT at 250mg/day? Post up your PCT as you have it laid out now, and I'll let you know!

jcam222 said:
So just to be clear how many ml are there in one full pump? I've been using 2 full pumps a day the first two days and I am not positive I know the answer.
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1 pump = 2ml = 125mg
 
Hastur said:
Are you running just 8 weeks of 11-KT at 250mg/day? Post up your PCT as you have it laid out now, and I'll let you know!

Yes, as of now Im doing 250mg a day of just 11-kt for 4 weeks, beginner cycle, as this is my first hormonal product.

If I extended to 8 weeks it would still be 250mg of just 11-kt a day. That's the only thing Im running besides have dermacrine on hand.

Current PCT for 4 weeks run would be.

Torem: 60/60/60/60
OL TESTIFY PRO: 2 scoops a day for 4 weeks. I also have another tub so this could run for 8 weeks but idk if I want to be running a natty test booster and AI after 8 weeks of a hormonal?
Prototype Nutrition UR Spray: 50 Sprays a day
OL Strength Unleashed: 2 caps a day
OL EP1C Unleashed: 2 Caps a day
Evomuse BMP

Thanks for all the help man!
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AndrewMcD said:
Yes, as of now Im doing 250mg a day of just 11-kt for 4 weeks, beginner cycle, as this is my first hormonal product.

If I extended to 8 weeks it would still be 250mg of just 11-kt a day. That's the only thing Im running besides have dermacrine on hand.

Current PCT for 4 weeks run would be.

Torem: 60/60/60/60
OL TESTIFY PRO: 2 scoops a day for 4 weeks. I also have another tub so this could run for 8 weeks but idk if I want to be running a natty test booster and AI after 8 weeks of a hormonal?
Prototype Nutrition UR Spray: 50 Sprays a day
OL Strength Unleashed: 2 caps a day
OL EP1C Unleashed: 2 Caps a day
Evomuse BMP

Thanks for all the help man!
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Oh yeah, you're solid, bro! That is definitely strong enough to recover from a 8-week cycle at 250mg/day!
 
AndrewMcD said:
UGH. This is my first hormonal cycle. Was going to run at 250mg a day for 4 weeks. Everything has been going well, sooooo I'm very tempted to make this an 8 week run but not sure if I should keep it at 4 just because it's my first cycle!
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I guarantee you'll be sad to stop after 4 weeks. By all accounts 11kt is quite mild. With the pct you've shared you're set!
 
Hastur said:
Oh yeah, you're solid, bro! That is definitely strong enough to recover from a 8-week cycle at 250mg/day!
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Awesome! I'm going to go for it!

Should a natty test booster like TESTIFY PRO with the mild AI in it ,abieta-8 11 13-trien-18-oic acid, be run for 4 weeks in PCT (During SERM) or extend to 8 weeks?

Just wondering cause I have two tubs haha.
 
AndrewMcD said:
Awesome! I'm going to go for it!

Should a natty test booster like TESTIFY PRO with the mild AI in it ,abieta-8 11 13-trien-18-oic acid, be run for 4 weeks in PCT (During SERM) or extend to 8 weeks?

Just wondering cause I have two tubs haha.
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Hey man, if you have two tubs, you can run it 8 weeks! I don't see a problem with that!
 
Hastur said:
Hey man, if you have two tubs, you can run it 8 weeks! I don't see a problem with that!
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mmm but if I used Dermacrine the last 4 weeks of this 8 week 11kt cylce, I would have to use Erase pro along side that.

So if I then ran TESTIFY PRO for 8 weeks, that would be 12 weeks of abieta-8 11 13-trien-18-oic acid. On most abieta-8 11 13-trien-18-oic acid, supps like erase pro you always see to not run longer for 8 weeks.

Sorry for this ridiculous question haha and if it even makes sense...
 
AndrewMcD said:
mmm but if I used Dermacrine the last 4 weeks of this 8 week 11kt cylce, I would have to use Erase pro along side that.

So if I then ran TESTIFY PRO for 8 weeks, that would be 12 weeks of abieta-8 11 13-trien-18-oic acid. On most abieta-8 11 13-trien-18-oic acid, supps like erase pro you always see to not run longer for 8 weeks.

Sorry for this ridiculous question haha and if it even makes sense...
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You don't need an AI for Dermacrine, it's not enough DHEA/Preg to cause a significant increase in estrogen. That risk is minimal. And feel free to limit your use of TEST1FY PRO to just 4 weeks if its a personal concern, but I would have no issue running it 8 weeks. You will not experience excessively lowered estrogen from it, if that's the issue you have in mind.
 
Hastur said:
You don't need an AI for Dermacrine, it's not enough DHEA/Preg to cause a significant increase in estrogen. That risk is minimal. And feel free to limit your use of TEST1FY PRO to just 4 weeks if its a personal concern, but I would have no issue running it 8 weeks. You will not experience excessively lowered estrogen from it, if that's the issue you have in mind.
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Seriosly, you are the man Hastur. You've been the biggest help to me starting my first cycle. My nerves have completely vanished and everything is going well so far. Thank you so much!

Can't wait to see the kind of results after 8 weeks! :)
 
Hastur said:
You don't need an AI for Dermacrine, it's not enough DHEA/Preg to cause a significant increase in estrogen. That risk is minimal. And feel free to limit your use of TEST1FY PRO to just 4 weeks if its a personal concern, but I would have no issue running it 8 weeks. You will not experience excessively lowered estrogen from it, if that's the issue you have in mind.
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Not to debate but I have read couple threads where ppl noticed gyno flares.
could have been placebo or could be gyno.
 
AndrewMcD said:
Seriosly, you are the man Hastur. You've been the biggest help to me starting my first cycle. My nerves have completely vanished and everything is going well so far. Thank you so much!

Can't wait to see the kind of results after 8 weeks! :)
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Thank you, brother! This is why I do it, I really enjoy helping people! If you have any further questions, you know they are always welcome here!

hamdysayed said:
Not to debate but I have read couple threads where ppl noticed gyno flares.
could have been placebo or could be gyno.
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First off, I appreciate your tone, I respect a man who can disagree without coming off as aggressive. If only everyone in this forum could do the same. Now, for the actual point at hand. I do value anecdotal evidence, it's entirely possible that DHEA/Preg in Dermacrine exacerbated those predisposed to gynecomastia. However, I suspect there may be other factors involved here, without knowing someones exact stack/cycle it's hard for me to agree or disagree with Dermacrine being the cause. What I do know is that due to what must occur for such conversions to take place, the risk is very low. The dosage isn't high enough, and the compounds don't convert all that easily. But, for those who are prone to estrogenic side effects, perhaps it is necessary for some level of estrogen control. The reason why I didn't/don't tend to recommend an AI is because depending on the AI used, you run the risk of lowering estrogen too much, which is counterproductive to our goals on the other end of the spectrum. But better safe than sorry.

So if you're prone to estrogenic side effects, have experienced gynecomastia in the past, or have apprehension using Dermacrine, consider utilizing an AI, and allow your personal experience to dictate if its usage needs to be increased, decreased, or ceased altogether. (AKA, adjust as needed)
 
Hastur said:
Thank you, brother! This is why I do it, I really enjoy helping people! If you have any further questions, you know they are always welcome here!



First off, I appreciate your tone, I respect a man who can disagree without coming off as aggressive. If only everyone in this forum could do the same. Now, for the actual point at hand. I do value anecdotal evidence, it's entirely possible that DHEA/Preg in Dermacrine exacerbated those predisposed to gynecomastia. However, I suspect there may be other factors involved here, without knowing someones exact stack/cycle it's hard for me to agree or disagree with Dermacrine being the cause. What I do know is that due to what must occur for such conversions to take place, the risk is very low. The dosage isn't high enough, and the compounds don't convert all that easily. But, for those who are prone to estrogenic side effects, perhaps it is necessary for some level of estrogen control. The reason why I didn't/don't tend to recommend an AI is because depending on the AI used, you run the risk of lowering estrogen too much, which is counterproductive to our goals on the other end of the spectrum. But better safe than sorry.

So if you're prone to estrogenic side effects, have experienced gynecomastia in the past, or have apprehension using Dermacrine, consider utilizing an AI, and allow your personal experience to dictate if its usage needs to be increased, decreased, or ceased altogether. (AKA, adjust as needed)
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Agreed bro, and that was my point u just said it better.
all in all if it's his first cycle he don't know how his body will react, just have something like sns inhibit e cheap and won't crush his estrogen.
for a mild cycle that contain dermacrine .

and bro I like to live drama free
 
So I'm considering getting bloodwork done before, during, and post my cycle which will be a standalone run @250mg for 8 weeks. Is this compound strong enough to really get it checked out or should I save it for when I do a stronger cycle? I'm checking my plan online and I have coverage for test work and test, lipids, and comprehensive metabolic panel or is that overkill? What do you OL guys think
 
hamdysayed said:
Agreed bro, and that was my point u just said it better.
all in all if it's his first cycle he don't know how his body will react, just have something like sns inhibit e cheap and won't crush his estrogen.
for a mild cycle that contain dermacrine .

and bro I like to live drama free
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I agree, we are on the same page, brother! :)

raul87 said:
So I'm considering getting bloodwork done before, during, and post my cycle which will be a standalone run @250mg for 8 weeks. Is this compound strong enough to really get it checked out or should I save it for when I do a stronger cycle? I'm checking my plan online and I have coverage for test work and test, lipids, and comprehensive metabolic panel or is that overkill? What do you OL guys think
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You could, and its always recommended during a cycle. But with such a mild compound, it would just help to show your degree of suppression and how your lipids have been affected. Which can be useful, don't get me wrong. But you may want to save your money to do so with a stronger cycle, where the panels will tell more about your health. With 11-KT, 250mg/day for 8 weeks, I don't expect lipids to be ridiculously bad nor suppression to be extreme. And if you're running a PCT with a SERM, your HPTA will be up-regulated and your lipids will improve, so if it was myself, I'd save the money.
 
Hastur said:
I agree, we are on the same page, brother! :)



You could, and its always recommended during a cycle. But with such a mild compound, it would just help to show your degree of suppression and how your lipids have been affected. Which can be useful, don't get me wrong. But you may want to save your money to do so with a stronger cycle, where the panels will tell more about your health. With 11-KT, 250mg/day for 8 weeks, I don't expect lipids to be ridiculously bad nor suppression to be extreme. And if you're running a PCT with a SERM, your HPTA will be up-regulated and your lipids will improve, so if it was myself, I'd save the money.
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I just got an online quote using my insurance's website and its supposedly free so lol. That might give me a reason to do it I have never done bloodwork that I can recall
 
raul87 said:
I just got an online quote using my insurance's website and its supposedly free so lol. That might give me a reason to do it I have never done bloodwork that I can recall
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In that case, I would definitely do it so you have a solid baseline picture of your hormone levels before you even begin cycling anabolic compounds. You might even find some variables impeding your progress that haven't even been considered yet.
 
raul87 said:
I just got an online quote using my insurance's website and its supposedly free so lol. That might give me a reason to do it I have never done bloodwork that I can recall
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Jebrook said:
In that case, I would definitely do it so you have a solid baseline picture of your hormone levels before you even begin cycling anabolic compounds. You might even find some variables impeding your progress that haven't even been considered yet.
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Well, heck! If it's free! By all means! Haha. Most of us cannot afford blood work, myself included. I agree 100% with Jebrook's statement!
 
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