Introducing SUP3R-11 - The Ultimate 11-Ketotestosterone Guide - All you need to know!

Thanks guys, I appreciate the support. I've come a long way, I have a long way to go still, and I will always have room to improve :)

It's funny, a lot of people in my life tell me I have inspired them because I've lost so much weight. That makes me feel good, but really I don't think about other people all that much. I'm happy if they can get something from what I do that is positive, but I just have these goals and I try to work toward them a little at a time, create good habits, and eventually it will all come together.

I think that we all tend to start off on this journey thinking, "I'm 290 pounds, I need to be 160" and with that, in the back of our mind what we think along with that is, "Once I get to 160 I will be done".

It is so much more than that, and as Hastur has said, once you have the fat cells, they fill up easily and quickly again.
 
HIT4ME said:
Thanks guys, I appreciate the support. I've come a long way, I have a long way to go still, and I will always have room to improve :)

It's funny, a lot of people in my life tell me I have inspired them because I've lost so much weight. That makes me feel good, but really I don't think about other people all that much. I'm happy if they can get something from what I do that is positive, but I just have these goals and I try to work toward them a little at a time, create good habits, and eventually it will all come together.

I think that we all tend to start off on this journey thinking, "I'm 290 pounds, I need to be 160" and with that, in the back of our mind what we think along with that is, "Once I get to 160 I will be done".

It is so much more than that, and as Hastur has said, once you have the fat cells, they fill up easily and quickly again.
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No problem, brother! We're a community, and we're here to help better ourselves and each other! I had the same mindset when I was heavier, I needed to get down to 160lbs. But then I did, and looked sickly... The photo is in the main post of my log. I really began to make progress when I stopped looking at the numbers on the scale, and started going by how my clothes fit, how I felt, and if I was making progress in the gym. So far it looks like 11-KT is treating me well, along with the rest of the compounds in my cycle. When I put on my lifting belt prior to Deadlifting, I could actually move it from notch 2 to notch 3, and it's only been a week. I can't WAIT to see what 7 more weeks of 11-KT can do!

KC41 said:
Any Thoughts on running S4 along side of the SUP3R-11?
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You could do it, but honestly S-4 is a poor cutter compared to other compounds and the vision sides aren't worth it for most. I've used it myself, and would much rather use Epiandro or 1-Andro in it's place.
 
Avengeme said:
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I've been dosing 1.5-2ml post shower in the am. I take my niacin after I apply. I take another 1-1.5ml 12 hrs later. It's working like a damn charm.
 
Does anyone else towards the end of a pump get a wild spray that shoots everywhere? Literally sprayed like five feet across the room lol maybe pressing it to far down?
 
TucanD said:
Does anyone else towards the end of a pump get a wild spray that shoots everywhere? Literally sprayed like five feet across the room lol maybe pressing it to far down?
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Empty bottle contents into an appropriate container, and then use an oral syringe to measure your doses.
 
KC41 said:
I may have missed it, but does anyone have an opinion on the best place for application?
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Hastur recommended neck, traps, clavicle, upper pec, torso, in that approximate order.

Genitals and scalp were mentioned as prime candidate areas too but ouch and we dont recommend :D
 
TucanD said:
Does anyone else towards the end of a pump get a wild spray that shoots everywhere? Literally sprayed like five feet across the room lol maybe pressing it to far down?
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LOL- happened to me the first two applications. There is a sticking point followed by an explosion. If you close your hand and put the mouth of the pump either through the top (where your thumb and index finger meet), or between fingers (with a semi-closed fist), it will contain the burst.

I though it was a screwey pump that I received... guess not. ha
 
Has anyone had any dry joint/tendon pain and if so what's your remedy? I had surgery to repair my distal bicep tendon in January and don't want to go backwords.
 
KC41 said:
Has anyone had any dry joint/tendon pain and if so what's your remedy? I had surgery to repair my distal bicep tendon in January and don't want to go backwords.
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It's very unlikely to happen, and this product has only been on the market a little over a week, so you won't see a ton of anecdotal reports specifically for SUP3R-11. That being said, a 'wet' compound would help mitigate dry joint issues. Such as SUP3R-4 or TR3ST. Though honestly, I would not expect either to be necessary, though the potential for joint dryness is there, this isn't Epistane level dryness we're talking here. 11-KT won't displace Estrogen as such.
 
Avengeme said:
So whats the final word on pros/cons of dosing pre workout or post workout and whether splitting the dosage is optimal or if a single dose is suggested? I workout around 5-7pm so my dosing would be late afternoon.
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Avengeme said:
Alright I might dose 2ml preworkout and 2ml after my postworkout shower about 4-5 hours later.
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I'm going to re-iterate what I said. I understand and don't disagree with some of the people who posted other thoughts. At the end of the day, everyone worries about timing, etc. - and it isn't going to make all that much difference I wouldn't think, what the timing is. For everyone who has a reason for when to take it, there is a conflicting idea showing it may be better to take it another time.

This is what leads me to believe that morning and night, just simply 2 doses spaced throughout the day, is best. The transdermal should take time to transfer the active compounds through your skin, so there is SOME time release aspect. And if you take it once in the morning and once at night, you should have a situation where you've created a fairly constant supply of 11-KT into your system.

Beyond this, the bigger considerations IMO are absorption methods. Applying after a shower while your pores are open and allowing it to stay on your skin beyond the point where it appears dry, applying to the appropriate sites, getting as much skin coverage as possible - that is what really counts, IMO. Not when you apply it, but how.

And doing two doses through the day could potentially increase absorption also. If you apply 4 ml to an area now, only so much can transfer through the skin for a time period - so doing 2 applications may also spread that out and create less waste through product that doesn't get through your skin

Just my opinion, I could be wrong about all of it.
 
You may well be right, HIT4ME. At the end of the day, perhaps application timing is of less importance for most people. However, just to clarify our position, the application protocol proposed in Hastur‘s writeup should be seen as an ideal case scenario where the aim is to keep benefits at a maximum BUT also minimise potential sides.

At the risk of convoluting matters even more, below is a discussion between someone and Pat Arnold regarding 11kt spray. How relevant this will be to us here Im not entirely sure, but note PA himself bases his claims on another topical altogether. Be interested in your thoughts, Hastur:


Subject Another quick question, how long should you let this sit on your skin before say going swimming or working out (if you sweat a lot).

Pat Arnold: I read something recently about testosterone gel which said that if you wash in as little as ten minutes after applying you dont effect the amount that penetrates. which means that whatever gets in gets in quickly (probably before the solvent eveaporates) and the rest pretty much aint gonna penetrate.
 
NewAgeMayan said:
You may well be right, HIT4ME. At the end of the day, perhaps application timing is of less importance for most people. However, just to clarify our position, the application protocol proposed in Hastur‘s writeup should be seen as an ideal case scenario where the aim is to keep benefits at a maximum BUT also minimise potential sides.

At the risk of convoluting matters even more, below is a discussion between someone and Pat Arnold regarding 11kt spray. How relevant this will be to us here Im not entirely sure, but note PA himself bases his claims on another topical altogether. Be interested in your thoughts, Hastur:


Subject Another quick question, how long should you let this sit on your skin before say going swimming or working out (if you sweat a lot).

Pat Arnold: I read something recently about testosterone gel which said that if you wash in as little as ten minutes after applying you dont effect the amount that penetrates. which means that whatever gets in gets in quickly (probably before the solvent eveaporates) and the rest pretty much aint gonna penetrate.
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Patrick Arnold is a wise man, I have to give credit where credit is due. If that is indeed the case, then we have two options. We can accept this, because we know the product still works we're just more aware of it's short comings which never hindered its effectiveness before. Or, we can try and overcome this shortcoming through some method. One option for overcoming it is if the problem lies with the solvent evaporating, and the rest isn't going to penetrate, adding a secondary solvent 10 minutes later over the application sites to further enhance absorption, which in this scenario would be hand sanitizer. Hand sanitizer is used often in homebrew transdermals, and you can use it to help dissolve crystals/flakes sitting on your skin after application.

And on the subject of my write up regarding application, just to re-iterate:

Hastur said:
I do have specific application sites for the two transdermals. Allow me to delve in... The two most important factors when using transdermals are site of application and surface area of application. In a paper published in the book "Transdermal Absorption of Dermatological Products", the percutaneous absorption of benzoic acid was measured at 11 different sites. From this paper it would appear optimal to apply trandermals to the postauricular/neck/clavicle region. This would be behind the ear, down the side of the neck, around the front of the traps and over your collar bones. Picture included to help illustrate.

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Depending on the dosage, you may be able to apply to both sides of the neck and not require other application sites. However with 2 transdermals, you likely require other sites unless you are using very low dosages. For this, we need to consider the thickness of the stratum corneum at the site of application, because the thicker it is the less flux you'll achieve. And thickness of the stratum corneum is highly variable across different areas of the body, due to differences in the number of stratum corneum cell layers. According to one Japanese study (Z. Ya-Xian, 1999) where hundreds of subjects had their number of stratum corneum cell layers at many pointd measured: Genitals: 6, Face: 9, Neck: 10, Scalp: 12, Trunk: 13, Limbs: 15, Palms and soles: 47, Heels: 86. Now Genitals, Face and Scalp should be avoided. We are already utilizing the Neck. So the Trunk is the next logical location for application. I apply to the upper chest and upper abdominal region.

The second factor regards surface area, and for this we must consider transdermal flux, which is measured in µg/cm²/hour, so the more square centimeters you spread your dose over, the more flux you'll achieve. Spread the transdermal as thinly and as broadly as possible for optimal results. (Note: Please do not apply to the face or genitals. Those areas contain a lot of sensitive nerve-endings, and application at these areas may cause pain or discomfort.)

In summary, spread your transdermals as thinly and broadly as possible behind the ear, down the neck, around the traps, and over the collar bones. And if you require more application sites, utilize the trunk, specifically upper chest and the upper abdominal region.
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Bugger, wish I could post link to the whole thread but doesnt look like I can.

From my understanding, the 10 minute window indicates penetration of the first skin layer. From there, the compound will still have further layers to get through before entering the bloodstream proper, so I take it that overall absorption is still extended over time vs oral admin.
 
Newagamayan and Hastur - great responses.

I base a lot of my thinking on things I've read from PA. The evaporation issue supports twice a day application....even if the application is only 10 minutes apart. But also keep in mind that what PA appears to be saying, I think, is that what gets into the skin gets in pretty quickly...but he is not saying it gets into your "system" (if you will) quickly. There probably is some time release delay here...but this is conjecture on my part.

Hastur - I agree. I've used hand sanitizer 5-10 minutes after other transdermal and it has worked fairly well. I don't really 'feel' the need with Sup3r-11, but it probably would improve absorption a little. DMSO before application will help too. Just a matter of how far you want to go.

I've been on this product for 3 days, at which point I started a PSMF. I've lost 7 pounds. I have other products I'm using with this, and the first week isn't definitive as I lost 12 pounds in a week about a month ago when I had a failed start at the PSMF....but I feel like I'm seeing positive results in the mirror that are better than without 3-11 for sure. Normally the first week is a lot of water loss...but it really feels like I'm getting actually leaner in just 3 days. No joke.
 
More from Arnold:

on that point, i wonder whether an application of simple solvent base an hour or so later might not increase the amount of steroid that penetrates. it may. that would be a nifty way to get more bank from your buck
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it absorbs into the top layer of the skin fast. takes a while to work its way down into the dermal layers with blood supply. thats the depot effect which yields the time released delivery
 
Well, I don't have this problem since I just fill my tub with Super-11 and bath
 
I'm Taking this & Dermacrine stacked with OL's Tr1umph PH. Was going to take Dermacrine post shower which will also be Pre workout since I leave home to the gym. So would Dermacrine PWO and Taking 11-kt at night after my shower before bed be a bad idea? All ideas welcome!
 
NewAgeMayan said:
Man, what do you reckon Hastur, sup3r11 smell better than dermatrest?
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That's a tough call, I like them both. I'd say SUP3R-11 smells a tad bit 'fresher', and DermaTrest is more neutral by comparison. Both are pleasant though, thankfully!
 
This stuff gives my 11oxo experience a golden shower. This is the best recomp compound I've ever used.
 
Just to chime in on the fear of contaminating loved ones...

I refuse to allow the slightest of transference and only dose TD compounds once daily in the AM. This removes any chance of transferring to wife/loved one throughout my work day til I'm home, post workout, and have had a hot shower. Sure, it doesn't allow me an application after a shower or using twice daily, which I realize isn't ideal, but to know fully there's zero chance of my sweet little daughter or wife receiving a mere swipe of the stuff, I'm content.

There's a first hand account somewhere online of a guys daughter who develop effects of virilization (right word?) from his TD use.
 
Volvo140G said:
Just to chime in on the fear of contaminating loved ones...

I refuse to allow the slightest of transference and only dose TD compounds once daily in the AM. This removes any chance of transferring to wife/loved one throughout my work day til I'm home, post workout, and have had a hot shower. Sure, it doesn't allow me an application after a shower or using twice daily, which I realize isn't ideal, but to know fully there's zero chance of my sweet little daughter or wife receiving a mere swipe of the stuff, I'm content.

There's a first hand account somewhere online of a guys daughter who develop effects of virilization (right word?) from his TD use.
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Repped. You, sir, are doing it right. I hope people take this level of precaution! I made some point regarding transference a few pages back, and I think it's worth repeating. Please use responsibly, gentlemen!
 
Hastur said:
Repped. You, sir, are doing it right. I hope people take this level of precaution! I made some point regarding transference a few pages back, and I think it's worth repeating. Please use responsibly, gentlemen!
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I read that and you were on point. Not something to take lightly imo...
 
Totally agree with the above about limiting risk to love ones... why even risk it? I am in a newly started relationship so, yall know how the honeymoon phase can be. I just make sure my 2nd application is done on the tops of my feet and then wear socks after it dries... best way for me right now to limit any transfer while still being able to take care of business

Anyways, I am now a few days in and starting to notice a slight leaning affect already. Nothings really changed in my diet and I have actually slacked with cardio this week due to work... but I woke up today and looked leaner.... Love the compound and clearly this carrier is doing work ;)
 
so pretty much everybody talking about how it's taking effect even after few days... impressive and interesting . Hastur do u think any placebo effects going on or this compound do kick in super fast ?
 
Personally I can't wait as this will be after my nanodrol run so dropping a bunch of water around the same time this tightens things should be pretty sweet.
Currently holding from some peptides, and i have to keep telling myself it's just water.
 
Bradruz said:
Did I read somewhere to apply using your wrists?
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Use latex non powdered gloves. They are cheap and potentially reduce the odds of transfer considerably. Plus, any you have left over can be inflated with air to look like a chicken, which can provide countless hours of wholesome entertainment.
 
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