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Top Government Insider: Bin Laden Died In 2001, 9/11 A False Flag

LOLOLOL!!!!

I just saw this, this may be the funniest shyt I have ever seen, I cant believe this is real! These people are completely out of their minds! "Misaps the plane kollapse...the mekaniks did der part to restore it" LOL The rear wheels collapsed and then they say, "according to his judgment, the problem lies in the rear wheels," GENIUS! LOL

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Ive been covering this here for a long time now.....during the debates Trump has brought this to people's attention and now mainstream CBS news 60 minutes finally did a small piece about it.

I really recommend watching the full 60 minutes piece about the 28 pages that I have posted a link below.

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Full 60 minutes video
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In depth article on infowars
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Indiana Voting-Fraud Activist Behind Rubio ‘Sex Party’ Leaks Found Dead

Blogger who exposed voter fraud died right before primary

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Voting-fraud activist Gary Welsh, who tipped off Infowars’ Wayne Madsen on Marco Rubio’s foam sex parties, was found dead leading up to the Indiana primary.

 Police found Welsh’s body in an apartment complex stairwell in Indianapolis, Ind., on May 1 and Invalid Link Removed

“Welsh was a well-known lawyer and political commentator in Indiana who combated against the takeover of the state by religious fundamentalists and opposed ‘well-connected’ GOP presidential candidates like Jeb Bush, Ted Cruz, and Rubio,” Wayne Madsen reported. “The timing of Welsh's death just prior to the Indiana GOP primary, one that Cruz hopes to win to keep his chances for the GOP presidential nomination alive, is troubling, to say the least.”

“Welsh was a well-known advocate for election integrity and he supported Donald Trump for the GOP nomination.”

He published the blog Invalid Link Removed which heavily reported on voting fraud in the state.

A strange message was posted to Welsh’s blog prior to his death stating “if I'm not around to see the vote results, my prediction is that Trump wins Indiana with just shy of 50% of the vote.”

Welsh was also one of the insiders who told Madsen about the “foam parties” Rubio reportedly attended during the early-to-mid 1990s at Invalid Link Removed.

“At ‘Amnesia,’ emcee ‘Kitty Meow,’ a drag queen, would officiate over the foam parties, directing participants what to do,” Madsen reported. “Some foam party participants only wore jock straps.”

“It is entirely possible that Rubio did meet his future wife at a foam party, but the women who attended these functions were largely what are known as ‘*** hags’ out to have a good time while at the same time avoid being hit on by the gay men.”
 
ax1 said:
Indiana Voting-Fraud Activist Behind Rubio ‘Sex Party’ Leaks Found Dead

Blogger who exposed voter fraud died right before primary

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Voting-fraud activist Gary Welsh, who tipped off Infowars’ Wayne Madsen on Marco Rubio’s foam sex parties, was found dead leading up to the Indiana primary.

 Police found Welsh’s body in an apartment complex stairwell in Indianapolis, Ind., on May 1 and Invalid Link Removed

“Welsh was a well-known lawyer and political commentator in Indiana who combated against the takeover of the state by religious fundamentalists and opposed ‘well-connected’ GOP presidential candidates like Jeb Bush, Ted Cruz, and Rubio,” Wayne Madsen reported. “The timing of Welsh's death just prior to the Indiana GOP primary, one that Cruz hopes to win to keep his chances for the GOP presidential nomination alive, is troubling, to say the least.”

“Welsh was a well-known advocate for election integrity and he supported Donald Trump for the GOP nomination.”

He published the blog Invalid Link Removed which heavily reported on voting fraud in the state.

A strange message was posted to Welsh’s blog prior to his death stating “if I'm not around to see the vote results, my prediction is that Trump wins Indiana with just shy of 50% of the vote.”

Welsh was also one of the insiders who told Madsen about the “foam parties” Rubio reportedly attended during the early-to-mid 1990s at Invalid Link Removed.

“At ‘Amnesia,’ emcee ‘Kitty Meow,’ a drag queen, would officiate over the foam parties, directing participants what to do,” Madsen reported. “Some foam party participants only wore jock straps.”

“It is entirely possible that Rubio did meet his future wife at a foam party, but the women who attended these functions were largely what are known as ‘*** hags’ out to have a good time while at the same time avoid being hit on by the gay men.”
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lol...in the world of politics all is not what it seems, lol.

this makes Rubio even more attractive as a vp for trump, he could get latino as well as gays, lol!!!
 
bighulksmash said:
ax1 zika , man made ?
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I think its biological warfare....not positive I havent looked into it in depth but everytime government biological labs and experiments need to be suspect.

Im a bit worried with whats going on with the Olympics and the potential consequences with it. Its really sad babies are hit the most, very sad.
 
ax1 said:
I think its biological warfare....not positive I havent looked into it in depth but everytime government biological labs and experiments need to be suspect.

Im a bit worried with whats going on with the Olympics and the potential consequences with it. Its really sad babies are hit the most, very sad.
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Id withdrawal from the Olympics if i were any of them quacks .zika has no cure.
 
why not? they missed with the ebola virus that was suppose to kill us all in order to control the population and and help control guns all the while we are distracted with a missing plane in asia and Obamacare ruined health care.



weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
 
rugger48 said:
why not? they missed with the ebola virus that was suppose to kill us all in order to control the population and and help control guns all the while we are distracted with a missing plane in asia and Obamacare ruined health care.



weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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Adderal triple shot
 
rugger48 said:
why not? they missed with the ebola virus that was suppose to kill us all in order to control the population and and help control guns all the while we are distracted with a missing plane in asia and Obamacare ruined health care.



weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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My buddies and I always wondered why Obama has been vilified for trying to modernize the way the US handles healthcare. In NZ, it is majority govt subsidised, free up to a certain age and most prescription items cost $5. In other Euro countries, there are similiar policies and some are even better.

I've never understood why some people are so anti a system that was created to help. But again I dont live there.

Someone enlighten me
 
Jiigzz said:
My buddies and I always wondered why Obama has been vilified for trying to modernize the way the US handles healthcare. In NZ, it is majority govt subsidised, free up to a certain age and most prescription items cost $5. In other Euro countries, there are similiar policies and some are even better.

I've never understood why some people are so anti a system that was created to help. But again I dont live there.

Someone enlighten me
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There is a big difference between the populations of those Norwegian countries and America where is 300+ million people with unprotected borders, things are a bit more complicated. Id like to see what happens (honestly I wish for prosperity in Norwegian countries for life) what happens when the money is gone. They have VERY high taxes too, I wouldn't dare live there. Also, Im not sure what the political situation in the other side of the world is, but the US government is owned by the corporations and banks, Obama is owned by the corporation and banks, they are mostly corrupt especially Obama has proven to be so, Obama aka Mr. I promise not to take a single dollar from lobby money in '08 lying filthy human being he is.

Some of us prefer to live in a free nation where you go to work and you keep what you made instead of having a hardcore brutal tax system that also forces you to buy services such as insurance without an option, without a choice enforced by armed IRS.

Obamacare has been a disaster, costs are going through the roof, my insurance went up from the beginning, many poor people are punished for not being able to afford insurance through IRS fines and poor people who can barely afford insurance cant afford the co-pays and now they have less money to pay for it as before you can just go to the doctor and at least pay for checkups in cash. Now the co-pays dont even cover the doctor fee. I can go on and on. Socialism destroyed innovation and power of the individual. This country prospered by having free market capitalism system, but our innovation and advancements have diminished as government infiltrates all of our daily lives.

Anyways I can understand why people want government to do "good deeds." Some of us dont believe the two mix especially when you see all these good deeds are created by the people who finance the politicians including Obama and Boehner in the the end of the day its about money not about people.

Remember, USA is the country where they let our troops die in hospital basements and closets in order to cut cash. So NO way in hell I support Obamacare or anything that gives power and control to them and takes it away from us.

Freedom > illusion of government security

Lets say Obamacare was good and it works which it doesnt, I dont want anything from that genocidal mass murdering blood thirsty pro war military industrial complex dictator anyways.

end rant, that was fun lol
 
Freedom is an illusion and only satisfies the ego. It has no place in the survival or function of a society. Sure it sounds great, would be great, but it's just not practical. At least in your Libertarian Utopia style freedom you constantly speak of. Never gonna happen, wake up, get with what benefits society, and take your ego down a notch (that's doesn't mean you directly Ax, I mean the lot that think this way). Capitalism is a failure. It will never go backwards and work for the people at this point. Too far gone. Time to look at models that work.
 
Dma378 said:
Hahaha been too long since I threw in my Socialist bullshiit. LOL I miss you ax1
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Missed you too! You missed it on that Dump thread.......when Bernie was in NY I actually was considering voting for him in the primary but legally cant, I was ticked. LOL, that dude is way better than Hitlery.
 
Dma378 said:
Freedom is an illusion and only satisfies the ego. It has no place in the survival or function of a society. Sure it sounds great, would be great, but it's just not practical. At least in your Libertarian Utopia style freedom you constantly speak of. Never gonna happen, wake up, get with what benefits society, and take your ego down a notch (that's doesn't mean you directly Ax, I mean the lot that think this way). Capitalism is a failure. It will never go backwards and work for the people at this point. Too far gone. Time to look at models that work.
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Didnt see this post....you make a good point, there is no Libertarian Utopia that I foresee and if we get there its not a question of if but when it will deteriorate. I dont consider this country Capitalist, but if you study the School of Austrian Economics it can lay out how it can work for people but its all politics and greedy people that mess any system up. Weather its socialism or whatever it will never work for all the people in the long run as long as people are always there to screw it up that are money and power hungry, no long term utopia exists of any system but Ill pick power of the individual over anything.

I support freedoms and liberties for all, my objective is to maintain and promote it as much as possible. Im certainly open to true capatilism with some socialism so I can be flexible, but for conversation purposes I usually will stick to principles of freedom and liberty.
 
ax1 said:
Jiigzz said:
My buddies and I always wondered why Obama has been vilified for trying to modernize the way the US handles healthcare. In NZ, it is majority govt subsidised, free up to a certain age and most prescription items cost $5. In other Euro countries, there are similiar policies and some are even better.

I've never understood why some people are so anti a system that was created to help. But again I dont live there.

Someone enlighten me
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There is a big difference between the populations of those Norwegian countries and America where is 300+ million people with unprotected borders, things are a bit more complicated. Id like to see what happens (honestly I wish for prosperity in Norwegian countries for life) what happens when the money is gone. They have VERY high taxes too, I wouldn't dare live there. Also, Im not sure what the political situation in the other side of the world is, but the US government is owned by the corporations and banks, Obama is owned by the corporation and banks, they are mostly corrupt especially Obama has proven to be so, Obama aka Mr. I promise not to take a single dollar from lobby money in '08 lying filthy human being he is.

Some of us prefer to live in a free nation where you go to work and you keep what you made instead of having a hardcore brutal tax system that also forces you to buy services such as insurance without an option, without a choice enforced by armed IRS.

Obamacare has been a disaster, costs are going through the roof, my insurance went up from the beginning, many poor people are punished for not being able to afford insurance through IRS fines and poor people who can barely afford insurance cant afford the co-pays and now they have less money to pay for it as before you can just go to the doctor and at least pay for checkups in cash. Now the co-pays dont even cover the doctor fee. I can go on and on. Socialism destroyed innovation and power of the individual. This country prospered by having free market capitalism system, but our innovation and advancements have diminished as government infiltrates all of our daily lives.

Anyways I can understand why people want government to do "good deeds." Some of us dont believe the two mix especially when you see all these good deeds are created by the people who finance the politicians including Obama and Boehner in the the end of the day its about money not about people.

Remember, USA is the country where they let our troops die in hospital basements and closets in order to cut cash. So NO way in hell I support Obamacare or anything that gives power and control to them and takes it away from us.

Freedom > illusion of government security

Lets say Obamacare was good and it works which it doesnt, I dont want anything from that genocidal mass murdering blood thirsty pro war military industrial complex dictator anyways.

end rant, that was fun lol
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There is actually only one Norwegian country and NZ ain't it!

:damnit:
 
Gutterpump said:
Speaking of NZ, Australia seems to have done a great job with ending mass shootings, with its new laws and buy back program. The numbers definitely don't lie.
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They will be stepped on like ants if there is a war. The people of that country are very weak, no defense. Their murder rate is 1.3 vs 5 in the USA, but most of these killings are gang related, drug wars, etc....

Australia also doesnt have open border issues and drug cartels supported by the CIA jumping back and forth.

Australia has a 5% higher rape rate than the USA.

Now these stats are a little older coming up but here we go. Gun control was passed in 1997 I believe in Australia, yet their highest gun murder rate was in 2006 along with a 50% hike in assaults and robbery, a 30% increase in sexual assault.

Gun control doesnt equate to less murder rate, as a matter of fact the USA has had bigger drops in the same time period. Between 1995 and 2007, Australia saw a 31.9 percent decrease; without a gun ban, America’s rate dropped 31.7 percent.

Ill stop there I have things to do, but power to the people, not to government who doesnt give a damn about you.

I mean really, Australia has what the population of rhode island with no borders? Its not a good comparison, we have a whole set of unique issues in this country of 300+ million and illegals flooding in undocumented, terrorism, etc....
 
youngandfree said:
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A Saudi prince rushed into the White House for a meeting the press isn't allowed any info on.
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Interesting, they do some shady stuff.

I wonder if the Saudi Prince is begging Obama to do everything he can to stop the 28 pages from being revealed to the public that show how his family financed 9/11?
 
ax1 said:
They will be stepped on like ants if there is a war. The people of that country are very weak, no defense. Their murder rate is 1.3 vs 5 in the USA, but most of these killings are gang related, drug wars, etc....

Australia also doesnt have open border issues and drug cartels supported by the CIA jumping back and forth.

Australia has a 5% higher rape rate than the USA.

Now these stats are a little older coming up but here we go. Gun control was passed in 1997 I believe in Australia, yet their highest gun murder rate was in 2006 along with a 50% hike in assaults and robbery, a 30% increase in sexual assault.

Gun control doesnt equate to less murder rate, as a matter of fact the USA has had bigger drops in the same time period. Between 1995 and 2007, Australia saw a 31.9 percent decrease; without a gun ban, America’s rate dropped 31.7 percent.

Ill stop there I have things to do, but power to the people, not to government who doesnt give a damn about you.

I mean really, Australia has what the population of rhode island with no borders? Its not a good comparison, we have a whole set of unique issues in this country of 300+ million and illegals flooding in undocumented, terrorism, etc....
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Lmfao. Are you kidding me. Owning a gun does not make you a commando, get off your high horse
 
ax1 said:
No, but 100 million of us will make us a commando.
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Aus and NZ are very unlikely to be invaded because we don't antagonise every single country. Gun violence both here and in Aus is incredibly low. You have several hundred mass shooings per year.

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ax1 said:
No, but 100 million of us will make us a commando.
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Guns dont make criminals, so crime rate isn't a useful indicator in the context you are using. But gun use in a crime dramatically increases the number of potential victims - that's the issue. Not whether rape is 5% higher (because rape is always reoorted :/ you should know that rape is a very under reported crime)
 
Jiigzz said:
Aus and NZ are very unlikely to be invaded because we don't antagonise every single country. Gun violence both here and in Aus is incredibly low. You have several hundred mass shooings per year.

You can believe any crap you spew, but cmon. Your last comment screamed ignorance
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You cant compare NZ with the US. We have open borders where undocumented immigrants flood in, we have the US government smuggling assault weapons to CIA funded drug lords in mexico who come back and forth, we have this atrocious war on drugs and so forth.

This country has 300 million + people and growing, you cant compare NZ to the US. We have terrorism, and you think I want to disarm Americans? NO.

Most of these mass shootings are gang related, and most of the other mass shootings are all at gun free zones and environments.

Look, we will never see eye to eye on this, but a disarmed country is a weak country. You have no idea what the future will bring to your country, its easy to talk in a position of comfort, I plan ahead for me and everybody here.

Guns dont kill people, only people do.
 
Jiigzz said:
Guns dont make criminals, so crime rate isn't a useful indicator in the context you are using. But gun use in a crime dramatically increases the number of potential victims - that's the issue. Not whether rape is 5% higher (because rape is always reoorted :/ you should know that rape is a very under reported crime)
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Yeah sure, in especially in gun free zones. Go to Vermont where there is open carry, count mass shootings there or at gun ranges across this country.

Why not talk about the MANY instances where guns protected people all across this country? Slightly biased huh?
 
ax1 said:
You cant compare NZ with the US. We have open borders where undocumented immigrants flood in, we have the US government smuggling assault weapons to CIA funded drug lords in mexico who come back and forth, we have this atrocious war on drugs and so forth.

This country has 300 million + people and growing, you cant compare NZ to the US. We have terrorism, and you think I want to disarm Americans? NO.

Most of these mass shootings are gang related, and most of the other mass shootings are all at gun free zones and environments.

Look, we will never see eye to eye on this, but a disarmed country is a weak country. You have no idea what the future will bring to your country, its easy to talk in a position of comfort, I plan ahead for me and everybody here.

Guns dont kill people, only people do.
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We have almost no military, of course we are weak. But your argument for guns is for a situation that may never eventuate. A boots on the ground campaign. Its not your citizens that an invading army would fear, it's your military. There would be no country able to take on the might of the US in a boots on the ground attack - except china. They would use WOMD against you. This isnt world war two.

In the mean time, your own people will kill more of your own people than any foreign nation will.
 
Jiigzz said:
We have almost no military, of course we are weak. But your argument for guns is for a situation that may never eventuate. A boots on the ground campaign. Its not your citizens that an invading army would fear, it's your military. There would be no country able to take on the might of the US in a boots on the ground attack - except china. They would use WOMD against you. This isnt world war two.

In the mean time, your own people will kill more of your own people than any foreign nation will.
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There are weaknesses to our gun control laws, too many good people cant get them, the types are restricted and there is constant fear mongering about guns at a early age.

I want the US to be like Switzerald where we have gun depots loaded with tanks and rocket launchers ready to prepare for battle. Each community has a "trustee" that has a key to the place. There is education, responsibility, training, thins we can all implement here and make things better.

How is the mass shootings in Switzerland by the way?

We have alot of issues that you simply dont respond to or accept as to the reason there is alot of deaths here, but truly its a very very small percentage of 300+ million people. Driving cars is far more dangerous than guns, why not stop driving? Its just silly fear mongering from liberals.
 
Jiigzz said:
In the mean time, your own people will kill more of your own people than any foreign nation will.
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The number one cause of death in democide, not we the people the very people Im trying to empower.

Balance of powers make a great nation for its future and stability.
 
The United States is ranked 108th globally in overall homicide rate, the fear monging about guns killing people is ridiculous.

Guns save lives.

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ax1 said:
There are weaknesses to our gun control laws, too many good people cant get them, the types are restricted and there is constant fear mongering about guns at a early age.

I want the US to be like Switzerald where we have gun depots loaded with tanks and rocket launchers ready to prepare for battle. Each community has a "trustee" that has a key to the place.

How is the mass shootings in Switzerland by the way?

We have alot of issues that you simply dont respond to or accept as to the reason there is alot of deaths here, but truly its a very very small percentage of 300+ million people. Driving cars is far more dangerous than guns, why not stop driving? Its just silly fear mongering from liberals.
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Because most car deaths are accidental, shooting someone is very rarely accidental. Thats a void argument.

A car serves a useful purpose, a gun by and large doesn't.

If protecting yourself from drug lords is your excuse to carry a gun, then I have no words
 
Jiigzz said:
Because most car deaths are accidental, shooting someone is very rarely accidental. Thats a void argument.

A car serves a useful purpose, a gun by and large doesn't.

If protecting yourself from drug lords is your excuse to carry a gun, then I have no words
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You can hijack a car and use it as a projectile. You can drive a school bus off a cliff. You can use a rice cooker to blow up a marathon. You can use machetes like they did in china last year to mass murder people in public places. You can blow up a building with a minivan.

Im just tired of all the fear mongering, not at the expense of making society weaker.

Your also totally misrepresenting what Im saying, the reason why there are so many gun deaths are due to the war on drugs, gangs which I honestly dont give a damn about them.

How about we just have different countries and people can pick and choose which system they want to live in? Ill pick the US and repeal most gun laws. Not scared.
 
ax1 said:
You can hijack a car and use it as a projectile. You can drive a school bus off a cliff. You can use a rice cooker to blow up a marathon. You can use machetes like they did in china last year to mass murder people in public places. You can blow up a building with a minivan.

Im just tired of all the fear mongering, not at the expense of making society weaker.

Your also totally misrepresenting what Im saying, the reason why there are so many gun deaths are due to the war on drugs, gangs which I honestly dont give a damn about them.

How about we just have different countries and people can pick and choose which system they want to live in? Ill pick the US and repeal most gun laws. Not scared.
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Sigh. Yup those are all relevant examples. I also like how people draw on the one mass stabbing to support having a gun, yet neglect that you have several hundred mass shootings per year from GUNS.

One mass stabbing vs thousands if mass shootings. I enjoy logic.

You win. I dont live there and couldnt care less what you guys do, but if your only argument for a gun is that it may one day protect you against a land invasion, then I dont know what to say.
 
60% of gun deaths are from suicides. LOL and people count that? If you wanna die its none of my business.

3% are accidental.

about 34% are homicides, most of those are criminals and gangs.

I mean really, the solution isnt to disarm Americans here, most of us good but in the unfortunate position of being unarmed and weak especially in the bad areas such as gun free chicago, etc...

Oh, lets bring up Detroit, the police chief call on its citizens to arm themselves because they cant be there to protect you and gun violence significantly went down over a period of several years.

Guns are not a concern in this country, only gun control is.
 
Jiigzz said:
You win. I dont live there and couldnt care less what you guys do, but if your only argument for a gun is that it may one day protect you against a land invasion, then I dont know what to say.
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You have to look at historical examples like the Rape of Nanking, the military wont be there to protect you. If I was in a country to be invaded it would be jacked to the roof Switzerland where they have learned their lessons in history which you dont understand. If I go down, im going down with a fight and dignity.
 
ax1 said:
60% of gun deaths are from suicides. LOL and people count that? If you wanna die its none of my business.

3% are accidental.

about 34% are homicides, most of those are criminals and gangs.

I mean really, the solution isnt to disarm Americans here, most of us good but in the unfortunate position of being unarmed and weak especially in the bad areas such as gun free chicago, etc...

Oh, lets bring up Detroit, the police chief call on its citizens to arm themselves because they cant be there to protect you and gun violence significantly went down over a period of several years.

Guns are not a concern in this country, only gun control is.
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You make it seem like we cannot own guns here in NZ. We can. But to get one requires so much effort that many people do not bother.

We also don't feel the need to be armed. Maybe you do because of all the guns already in circulation. In which case if I was in the US, I would too. But here and in Aus we dont need any on a day to day basis, nor do we need any for any hypotheticals. Using hypotheticals is a poor argument because you can make up ANY scenario to justify needing anything.

We can agree to disagree - only reason I sai anything was because you called our nations weak based off a stupid hypothetical. Switzerland would call youbweak for having no accessible fallout shelters.

Any Country is weak at something if you make up a reason which it is weak at
 
Jiigzz said:
You make it seem like we cannot own guns here in NZ. We can. But to get one requires so much effort that many people do not bother.

We also don't feel the need to be armed. Maybe you do because of all the guns already in circulation. In which case if I was in the US, I would too. But here and in Aus we dont need any on a day to day basis, nor do we need any for any hypotheticals. Using hypotheticals is a poor argument because you can make up ANY scenario to justify needing anything.

We can agree to disagree - only reason I sai anything was because you called our nations weak based off a stupid hypothetical. Switzerland would call youbweak for having no accessible fallout shelters.

Any Country is weak at something if you make up a reason which it is weak at
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We'd get along well at a bar, wouldnt we?! lol, I dont drink just a joke.

Your a cool dude, I can respect our differences, your intent means good which matters most to me.
 
Jiigzz said:
You make it seem like we cannot own guns here in NZ. We can. But to get one requires so much effort that many people do not bother.

We also don't feel the need to be armed. Maybe you do because of all the guns already in circulation. In which case if I was in the US, I would too. But here and in Aus we dont need any on a day to day basis, nor do we need any for any hypotheticals. Using hypotheticals is a poor argument because you can make up ANY scenario to justify needing anything.

We can agree to disagree - only reason I sai anything was because you called our nations weak based off a stupid hypothetical. Switzerland would call youbweak for having no accessible fallout shelters.

Any Country is weak at something if you make up a reason which it is weak at
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I assume you are talking about handguns? it seems that shotguns and rifles would be very common in nz and Australia?
 
In the US, you are more than 10 times likely to die because a doctor screwed up, to the tune of 350,000/ year. What you don't know and many liBS here ignore, is that according to the CDC, the 35,000 gun deaths INCLUDE somewhere around 20,000 suicides by gun. Those don't qualify as a violent gun death. The argument that guns easily attainable would lower the number of suicides. Wrong. Those people would do it a different way. A gun is usually the quickest, most effective way to end it.
 
ax1 said:
We'd get along well at a bar, wouldnt we?! lol, I dont drink just a joke.

Your a cool dude, I can respect our differences, your intent means good which matters most to me.
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I think you are as well, and I meant no disrespect in things i say, I just get passionate. Also I agree when people say guns dont kill people, people kill people, but its just that guns enable more potential victims, that's all.
 
In 2013, there were 16,000 Homicides. Of those 16,000, only 11,000 were committed with a firearm. For a country with 300 million+ people, that equates to 3.5/100,000.

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thebigt said:
I assume you are talking about handguns? it seems that shotguns and rifles would be very common in nz and Australia?
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You need a licence to purchase and use a gun here.

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Jiigzz said:
You need a licence to purchase and use a gun here.

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I would have thought that nz had a lot of farmers and ranchers and that at least shotguns would be in abundance and easy to come by?

this really surprises me...I bet there would be a lot of illegal firearms if authorities were to check, just my opinion.
 
thebigt said:
I would have thought that nz had a lot of farmers and ranchers and that at least shotguns would be in abundance and easy to come by?

this really surprises me...I bet there would be a lot of illegal firearms if authorities were to check, just my opinion.
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I bet to, but most of that farm land is miles away from major cities.

It carries a 4 year prison sentence to sell to an unlicenced person. Of course a lot of people still do, but we have very few issues with guns here
 
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