The New Product Release Thread

I'm guessing with hitechs take over of gaspari they will release some sorta prohormone under the name of halodrol-50? Maybe 4-chloro epiandro? Non mythl dhea version of it?
 
TrainerTone said:
What flavor(s) did you get? I have the cinnamon and actually really enjoy them.
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I got one of each, so far have only had the PB one. It's not bad, but I'm not expecting huge things from a Target exclusive bar.

Chocolate Coconut Combat Crunch piques my interest though...
 
Was gonna grab some of the new Symx RTD drinks, not for $10 though -- probably would of grabbed a single if offered though.
 
1Fast400 said:
Single starts in the next 2 weeks. You can get it for 8 bucks for a 4 pack via cartwheel app. Thanks!
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What?! Dagnabbit!

Oh well, I'll be sure to use that next time if I go before 2 week mark. If not, will for sure grab a single to give it a try.
 
kbayne said:
Was gonna grab some of the new Symx RTD drinks, not for $10 though -- probably would of grabbed a single if offered though.
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I guess here prices of RTDs must be different lol. ON Amino Energy RTD here is $4.00 for a single :/
 
Jiigzz said:
I guess here prices of RTDs must be different lol. ON Amino Energy RTD here is $4.00 for a single :/
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:shocked:

How do they sleep at night?

carmaf said:
Why is GABA the new hot ticket item in all the upcoming pres?
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Because people are clueless.

GABA is unable to cross the BBB, so adding it in makes no sense. Be better off throwing in a GABA derivative such as phenibut.
 
1Fast400 I have to be honest, but I'm a bit disappointed to see you used what you called (paraphrasing) the "industry standard 2 year expiry date" on Flexatril and Xtend Perform. After all your talk about QC and testing and lawyers storing supplements in vaults and calling other companies out, I expected to see custom expiry dates or something along those lines.

This is not meant to be a shots fired or an attempt to start drama, I'm legitimately curious to hear why. Admittedly I was skeptical about you when you first popped up in this thread, but I've come to enjoy and appreciate your honesty (if anything I wish you could expose MORE instead of keeping it vague), as well as your insight into what goes on behind the scenes of the industry. It's just that when you dish out real talk, you need to also be open to real talk coming back your way.
 
There is a difference in doing accelerated chamber work and not. You have to be within 5% of label claim at time of expiration. Our product meets that standard. We could push it further and possible to 2.5 years, but given I've never had to worry with xtend expiring on a shelf, we have never pushed the envelope. It is incredibly flawed logic to say that because we use a 2 year expiration date, it must have just been stamped on there. Similar to your comments on studies in the other thread. An area where you simply aren't well versed but make authoritative comments.

Why would you expect to see a custom date? Use logic, I'm saying lawyers are all over this. With that, I'm going to make sure I'm on the right side of the issue when it all comes down. With data to back it up. Which is why I've had xtend perform done for a year before releasing it. Acceleration data takes 6 months to do. Look at the study completion date and the release date of the product. Not counting I had testers going 18 months prior to that.

You've been trying to get me in a gotcha moment for awhile. It's cool that you're an enormous pes fan boy, just don't let it blind you to logic that's right in front of you. Earlier this week you said Flexatril made your joints worse and less than 48h later said it worked well. You didn't follow directions on the product, said it worked, then bashed it.

This is why I don't post as much as I used too. I'm going back to a Saturday night dinner. I had 5 people message me about this. Don't we all have something more important to be doing?

Have a good weekend
 
TrainerTone said:
Patiently waiting for 1Fast400's reply
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Hahah man I don't want to make it a big deal. It's just something I had in mind, so when I got the products in hand, I immediately checked to see if the expiry dates would be out of the usual. I've been meaning to ask for a while, and since they are new products, I figured what better place to ask?
 
1Fast400 said:
There is a difference in doing accelerated chamber work and not. You have to be within 5% of label claim at time of expiration. Our product meets that standard. We could push it further and possible to 2.5 years, but given I've never had to worry with xtend expiring on a shelf, we have never pushed the envelope. It is incredibly flawed logic to say that because we use a 2 year expiration date, it must have just been stamped on there. Similar to your comments on studies in the other thread. An area where you simply aren't well versed but make authoritative comments.

Why would you expect to see a custom date? Use logic, I'm saying lawyers are all over this. With that, I'm going to make sure I'm on the right side of the issue when it all comes down. With data to back it up. Which is why I've had xtend perform done for a year before releasing it. Acceleration data takes 6 months to do. Look at the study completion date and the release date of the product. Not counting I had testers going 18 months prior to that.

You've been trying to get me in a gotcha moment for awhile. It's cool that you're an enormous pes fan boy, just don't let it blind you to logic that's right in front of you. Earlier this week you said Flexatril made your joints worse and less than 48h later said it worked well. You didn't follow directions on the product, said it worked, then bashed it.

This is why I don't post as much as I used too. I'm going back to a Saturday night dinner. I had 5 people message me about this. Don't we all have something more important to be doing?

Have a good weekend
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Lol why can't we have civil discussions without it devolving into arguments? I don't want Admin to always have to babysit.

I don't make authoritative comments I feel. I've openly said time and time again I know so much less than most members here, which is why I appreciate soaking up info from them. I don't mind sounding dumb on a forum or asking a lot of questions, bc that is why I'm here.

Yeah for sure when I started here I was a big PES fanboy, along with other companies like JYM (BIG MISTAKE), bc I didn't know any other brands. PES is still my favorite supp company, but I've learned a lot since coming to AM. I've been open about this as well. I've also called out PES on quite a few things (biggest thing being a big drama about Amento), but no one seems to remember this.

Flexatril didn't work for me until I double-dosed it. I agree I didn't follow the instructions, bc I wanted to see if it was effective at a 1 bottle 1 month dosing. I dun goofed there for sure, but making the product effectively 20 servings isn't ideal either.

You can hold my posts from when I first started, or the companies I support, against me, but I feel I'm one of the more open members here. I don't hide anything.

I think it was a legitimate question. Come on man you can throw shade at other companies, but I can't ask you a simple question about expiry dates?
 
If you read your post and take it as asking me a question in a legit and professional manner, then we will never see eye to eye. Every post you make in this light, is accusatory with no factual backing. I always stand behind my words. Been doing this close to two decades. I have a long history to stand on. If you call my integrity in question and expect me to respond with roses you're crazy.

I'm done with this. If you want something answered, ask in a respectful manner and I will be happy to answer. The fact I'm even dealing with this on a Saturday night with the limited personal time I have is ridiculous.
 
1Fast400 said:
If you read your post and take it as asking me a question in a legit and professional manner, then we will never see eye to eye. Every post you make in this light, is accusatory with no factual backing. I always stand behind my words. Been doing this close to two decades. I have a long history to stand on. If you call my integrity in question and expect me to respond with roses you're crazy.

I'm done with this. If you want something answered, ask in a respectful manner and I will be happy to answer. The fact I'm even dealing with this on a Saturday night with the limited personal time I have is ridiculous.
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OK fair enough. I'll send you a PM.
 
1Fast400 said:
I'm done with this. If you want something answered, ask in a respectful manner and I will be happy to answer. .
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Any chance you'll up the dose to 4g Peak O2 per scoop of Xtend Perform? I'm almost done with a tub, and with it being 22 servings for the proper dose of Peak O2 I'll end up crushing tubs quickly. Pretty happy with it so far, curious to see the benefits as I move onto the second tub as that'll be past the 21 day studied dose of 4g.

Considering the costs of raws for Peak O2(Have pricing for the 20kg MOQ sitting in my inbox) I think it's pretty feasible to bump it to the studied dose unless there's a reason to why it's 2g instead of 4.
 
The product cost the same per serving as a 30 serving xtend to consumer. Not sure we could do better pricing than that.

Besides that, real strong dosing of bcaa's is as 14g, which allows us multiple claims. We will be releasing it as a powder under primaforce.
 
Daycrawler said:
Any chance you'll up the dose to 4g Peak O2 per scoop of Xtend Perform? I'm almost done with a tub, and with it being 22 servings for the proper dose of Peak O2 I'll end up crushing tubs quickly. Pretty happy with it so far, curious to see the benefits as I move onto the second tub as that'll be past the 21 day studied dose of 4g.

Considering the costs of raws for Peak O2(Have pricing for the 20kg MOQ sitting in my inbox) I think it's pretty feasible to bump it to the studied dose unless there's a reason to why it's 2g instead of 4.
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How is the taste? What flavor did you have? Cherry sounds bomb but I haven't had time to look up any reviews. This is on my list of supps to try soon.
 
I've been eyeing that black cherry too. Haven't heard much feedback on the flavors but overall I've heard the product is highly effective.
 
I have the black cherry and have been using it for a little over a week now. Flavor is pretty solid. Not spectacular as you can ever so slightly taste/aftertaste some of the things being covered up but it's definitely sweet enough to not even consider chugging. Easy to sip on and a nice, sweet, black cherry flavoring. If you have sensitive taste the odd covered up parts might bother you but otherwise it's been worth the buy for sure.
 
booneman77 said:
I have the black cherry and have been using it for a little over a week now. Flavor is pretty solid. Not spectacular as you can ever so slightly taste/aftertaste some of the things being covered up but it's definitely sweet enough to not even consider chugging. Easy to sip on and a nice, sweet, black cherry flavoring. If you have sensitive taste the odd covered up parts might bother you but otherwise it's been worth the buy for sure.
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Might give it a run. Thanks boon
 
carmaf said:
1Fast400 I have to be honest, but I'm a bit disappointed to see you used what you called (paraphrasing) the "industry standard 2 year expiry date" on Flexatril and Xtend Perform. After all your talk about QC and testing and lawyers storing supplements in vaults and calling other companies out, I expected to see custom expiry dates or something along those lines.

This is not meant to be a shots fired or an attempt to start drama, I'm legitimately curious to hear why. Admittedly I was skeptical about you when you first popped up in this thread, but I've come to enjoy and appreciate your honesty (if anything I wish you could expose MORE instead of keeping it vague), as well as your insight into what goes on behind the scenes of the industry. It's just that when you dish out real talk, you need to also be open to real talk coming back your way.
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Really dude? That's what your bringing up to him and questioning him on is him putting 2 year expiration dates on his products....wow
 
can we change the name of this thread to "the new drama thread"... either that or "facebook"
 
1Fast400 said:
The product cost the same per serving as a 30 serving xtend to consumer. Not sure we could do better pricing than that.

Besides that, real strong dosing of bcaa's is as 14g, which allows us multiple claims. We will be releasing it as a powder under primaforce.
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I look forward to seeing it as a bulk as I'd want to add it on its own to pre workouts, or just to the bulk 90 serving xtend I already buy so that's good news. If the MOQ was a bit lower I'd consider playing around with dosages for fun.

Afi140 said:
How is the taste? What flavor did you have? Cherry sounds bomb but I haven't had time to look up any reviews. This is on my list of supps to try soon.
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TrainerTone said:
I've been eyeing that black cherry too. Haven't heard much feedback on the flavors but overall I've heard the product is highly effective.
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I'm almost finished, maybe 4 scoops left, with Black Berry. I have another tub of Black Cherry & Mango as well.

It's good, it's not overly sweet and I enjoy 1 scoop in 24ish ounces. I'm not a fan of overall sweet flavors, and for frame of reference I'll usually use 2 scoops xtend in a gallon jug(most often also throwing a scoop of focus XT in) which I sip on throughout the day.

I'm sure with less water it'd be a stronger flavor but I like it as is.

I've heard Mango is great, but I just haven't cracked out the tub.
 
Daycrawler said:
I look forward to seeing it as a bulk as I'd want to add it on its own to pre workouts, or just to the bulk 90 serving xtend I already buy so that's good news. If the MOQ was a bit lower I'd consider playing around with dosages for fun.





I'm almost finished, maybe 4 scoops left, with Black Berry. I have another tub of Black Cherry & Mango as well.

It's good, it's not overly sweet and I enjoy 1 scoop in 24ish ounces. I'm not a fan of overall sweet flavors, and for frame of reference I'll usually use 2 scoops xtend in a gallon jug(most often also throwing a scoop of focus XT in) which I sip on throughout the day.

I'm sure with less water it'd be a stronger flavor but I like it as is.

I've heard Mango is great, but I just haven't cracked out the tub.
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Mango Xtend was one of the best flavours, i also find the Green Apple, and Blue Raspberry Great.

How is the Grape version & Pink Lemonade. I also want to try the Orange Version to see how it compares to Orange Mango, Amino Last.
 
paul56778 said:
Mango Xtend was one of the best flavours, i also find the Green Apple, and Blue Raspberry Great.

How is the Grape version & Pink Lemonade. I also want to try the Orange Version to see how it compares to Orange Mango, Amino Last.
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I hated BCAA before! I could not like the metallic/chemical taste but Xtend Mango and Strawberry/Kiwi are sick ! I am drinking it everyday at work !
 
There are more studies being done on Peak02, just takes awhile for the science to happen. Similar to watching grass grow. Hopefully to learn more about different dose responses.
 
ELROCK said:
Really dude? That's what your bringing up to him and questioning him on is him putting 2 year expiration dates on his products....wow
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I don't know why people want to make everything personal or a drama. I don't want to open this back up, but since he didn't respond to PMs, I'll just sum this up quickly, and I'll end it here lest we all get sassed by Admin once again.

I don't think you've been reading all the posts where he spoke about QC and expiry dates and how companies don't test. I did, and it actually made me curious about the topic and realize he was probably right. I don't know what the companies I support are really up to in this regard, so I was hoping for him to do something different. It's also no secret that I have no idea what this entails and that I may have misunderstood what he meant, but this is also a discussion forum, where we can discuss and learn.

He made a lot of bold claims, and made it seem like Scivation was above and beyond the industry standards, and was essentially bashing other companies, using expiry dates as just one point of contention........and then went and used that same industry standard? I was legitimately disappointed after all that talk.

People can think what they want about me, but end of the day why did I spend 100 dollars of my own money (I could have easily applied for promo but I specifically wanted to buy it myself) to buy Xtend Perform if I have it out for him? Why did I say his new RTD was the best ever seen on the market?

He calls people out all the time in a much more abrasive way than I did, so what's the issue? Did you guys not read the 2nd half of the post where I praise him? No because you only focus on negativity.

Calling someone out isn't a personal attack, it's just a way to keep things honest around here.
 
The fact I explained it to you in a post and you still don't get it, is why people are giving you lip service. You're assuming because something is correlated, 2 year expiration date, the cause must be that it was rubber stamped on. I explained why we used it and you still go on. If you have no knowledge of the topic, you get an answer, yet still repeat the same comments, you can see why people are shaking their heads a bit.

You're too emotional about the topic making you blind to the logic
 
1Fast400 said:
The fact I explained it to you in a post and you still don't get it, is why people are giving you lip service. You're assuming because something is correlated, 2 year expiration date, the cause must be that it was rubber stamped on. I explained why we used it and you still go on. If you have no knowledge of the topic, you get an answer, yet still repeat the same comments, you can see why people are shaking their heads a bit.

You're too emotional about the topic making you blind to the logic
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Ok I will openly concede that I didn't understand your explanation and we can end it here.
 
1Fast400 said:
The fact I explained it to you in a post and you still don't get it, is why people are giving you lip service. You're assuming because something is correlated, 2 year expiration date, the cause must be that it was rubber stamped on. I explained why we used it and you still go on. If you have no knowledge of the topic, you get an answer, yet still repeat the same comments, you can see why people are shaking their heads a bit.

You're too emotional about the topic making you blind to the logic
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I don't have a dog in this fight but dude...

The reason he brought it back up is someone called him out on it. You get angry when someone 'disrespects you' and asks a question in a demeaning answer but then proceed to demean Carmaf for addressing a snarky question posed by someone else? They asked. He explained. No need to whip him for that.
 
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