Donald Trump running for president

smith_69 said:
well when the enemy runs into the mountains and heads for da' hills - and there are terrorist camps within towns. Hiding themselves in religious buildings.

And the woman, children and men in Brussels - oh that's right, part of some fanatic jihad to blow up innocent people in another country is justifiable? Paris, was justifiable? Boston was justifiable? NYC was justifiable? DC was justifiable? Because we dropped bombs during a war?

I tell you this much, if the rules of engagement were what they should be, this BS would have been over ALONG TIME AGO- oh look, he ran into a Mosk - woa, hang on pvt, we cant go shooting that up. that is crazy.

if im in church and some wacko comes running in so he can hide, sorry hes getting a punch to the throat and will be forced out or soldiers will be informed. here he is-
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You're making the mistake of equating "justifiable" with causation.

I never said terrorism was justified, just how people can become extreme enough to become terrorists due to wars by foreign invaders.
 
Misfit28 said:
You're making the mistake of equating "justifiable" with causation.

I never said terrorism was justified, just how people can become extreme enough to become terrorists due to wars by foreign invaders.
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fair enough-
 
thebigt said:
the price of gas was up a dime today...
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yes i suggest doing what the guys in "its always sunny in Philadelphia did" buy a garbage can of gasoline and sell for a profit lmao
 
ax1 said:
So have white people.
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Anyways, what I meant by that is all humans have been war mongerers for thousands of years.

Bush is just as bad as Obama and ISIS, there are no difference between all these war mongering terrorists.
 
Y'all see Hillary lose the debate last night? Looked like she only got a decent point once by a the gun topic fumbling by Bernie.

CNN was hard to watch. Right after the debate, they immediately started praising Hillary for whatever reason and got a reporter to shove a mic in Bernies face to ask him repetitive questions, not accepting any answer. You could hear Anderson coopers disapproval of the answers via laughing under his breath at Bernies answers.
 
thebigt said:
look at the history...iran was thriving under the shah, who was our ally. the shah was also a tyrant but he helped keep order in the middle east..when the shah was facing over throw by radical islamic's he reached out to jimmy carter to help out...by turning his back on the shah, AND NOT INTERVENING ON THE SHAHS BEHALF, THE NATION OF ISLAM WAS BORN....the whole damned mess in the middle east could have POSSIBLY been avoided by carter standing up for the shah.

talk to your Persian friends this is the true history...sometimes doing nothing is the worst thing you can do!!! Gutterpump
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Carter was the worst president ever, agreed, and we definitely should've helped the Shah.

Saddam should've stayed in power imo. I was really against their invasion of Kuwait though. But sometimes tyrants are the best option. Lately, helping to overthrow tyrants hasn't worked in our best interests.

Libya was another disaster. Terrorism will always exist, but we've been giving them the means to get stronger and more powerful.
 
Matthandyo said:
Y'all see Hillary lose the debate last night? Looked like she only got a decent point once by a the gun topic fumbling by Bernie.

CNN was hard to watch. Right after the debate, they immediately started praising Hillary for whatever reason and got a reporter to shove a mic in Bernies face to ask him repetitive questions, not accepting any answer. You could hear Anderson coopers disapproval of the answers via laughing under his breath at Bernies answers.
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CNN and all maistream media is over ridden by law by the CIA.

They steer the ship, the minions watching the tube follow orders from the captain.

The real discussion during the debate last night is why isnt Hitlery in court fighting her crimes against humanity instead of being some place she legally shouldnt even belong which is the free world.
 
Socalmk6gti said:
Speaking of Hillary, did you guys see this?

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She will say anything to win the black vote.

As BigT always says, the only color that really matters is green, and thats Hitlery's favorite color.
 
Aleksandar37 said:
We should just say people have been committing acts of terrorism for thousands of years...and making up reasons to justify it which typically involve religion.
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no doubt many dastardly acts have been committed in the name of religion....but don't discount the work many Christians have done free of charge in poor countries. catholic charities have helped millions of people. there are some really good people in every religion, I have known some really good jews, and when I lived in the philipines I was befriended by many really good muslims.


I have said this before...there are bad apples in every group. religion seems to get a bad rap these days, but I am sure atheists are responsible for some horrible acts also!!!
 
thebigt said:
no doubt many dastardly acts have been committed in the name of religion....but don't discount the work many Christians have done free of charge in poor countries. catholic charities have helped millions of people. there are some really good people in every religion, I have known some really good jews, and when I lived in the philipines I was befriended by many really good muslims.


I have said this before...there are bad apples in every group. religion seems to get a bad rap these days, but I am sure atheists are responsible for some horrible acts also!!!
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So true!
 
thebigt said:
no doubt many dastardly acts have been committed in the name of religion....but don't discount the work many Christians have done free of charge in poor countries. catholic charities have helped millions of people. there are some really good people in every religion, I have known some really good jews, and when I lived in the philipines I was befriended by many really good muslims.


I have said this before...there are bad apples in every group. religion seems to get a bad rap these days, but I am sure atheists are responsible for some horrible acts also!!!
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The number 1 cause of death is government, not religion.

Really, idiots are found in all sects of life.
 
I actually stayed up last night and watched the dem debate...two observations:

1. Hillary Clinton is one of the most unlikeable people ever!!!

2. whoever is in charge of Hillary's campaign should tell her to never again ever laugh out loud in public!!!
 
thebigt said:
I actually stayed up last night and watched the dem debate...two observations:

1. Hillary Clinton is one of the most unlikeable people ever!!!

2. whoever is in charge of Hillary's campaign should tell her to never again ever laugh out loud in public!!!
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LMAO. So true on both points. She sounds like the wicked witch.
 
Hillary came out with this smug attitude, like go away Bernie you are not worthy of my time.

geez, I want to see trump have a go at her....Bernie is too nice!!!
 
thebigt said:
no doubt many dastardly acts have been committed in the name of religion....but don't discount the work many Christians have done free of charge in poor countries. catholic charities have helped millions of people. there are some really good people in every religion, I have known some really good jews, and when I lived in the philipines I was befriended by many really good muslims.


I have said this before...there are bad apples in every group. religion seems to get a bad rap these days, but I am sure atheists are responsible for some horrible acts also!!!
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I completely agree and should clarify. I wasn't discounting the good works of any person or group. Many people do horrible things and many people do wonderful things. My personal belief is that many of these events are not acts of religious people because once you decide to murder or commit an act of terrorism, then you are not truly Muslim, Christian, etc. And anybody can play the cherry picking game of finding a passage that they claim makes an entire religion one based on violence. People will post online something horrible from the Quran and I'll counter with something horrible from the Bible. All that proves is that we both know how to use google :) People do use and exploit religion for their own purposes though and that shadow unfortunately carries over to the good people of that religion as well.
 
Aleksandar37 said:
I completely agree and should clarify. I wasn't discounting the good works of any person or group. Many people do horrible things and many people do wonderful things. My personal belief is that many of these events are not acts of religious people because once you decide to murder or commit an act of terrorism, then you are not truly Muslim, Christian, etc. And anybody can play the cherry picking game of finding a passage that they claim makes an entire religion one based on violence. People will post online something horrible from the Quran and I'll counter with something horrible from the Bible. All that proves is that we both know how to use google :) People do use and exploit religion for their own purposes though and that shadow unfortunately carries over to the good people of that religion as well.
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nice post...thanks for the clarification!!!
 
thebigt said:
...I have said this before...there are bad apples in every group. religion seems to get a bad rap these days, but I am sure atheists are responsible for some horrible acts also!!!...
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Sure, religion has his up-sides, especially the social part and comfort to be in a group of like minded.
What bothers me is, when a religious person does a kind act, I can never be sure if the person is emphatic -or just "buying a ticket to heaven".
If an atheist commits a terrible act, it's never in the name of atheism, when he acts selfless, it's not because of dogma.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Sure, religion has his up-sides, especially the social part and comfort to be in a group of like minded.
What bothers me is, when a religious person does a kind act, I can never be sure if the person is emphatic -or just "buying a ticket to heaven".
If an atheist commits a terrible act, it's never in the name of atheism, when he acts selfless, it's not because of dogma.
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Religious or not for you and others...

For my beliefs, Jesus knows my hearts intent so when I do a good deed He knows when it is genuine. A person doesn't get brownie points with God for just doing good things, they have to have good intentions and a relationship with Christ.

I love a good deed as much as the next person, but if you're only doing it to score brownie points, I'd rather you just be yourself and stop worrying about creating false impressions on people. As a human that is trying to be a good person, religion aside, it's a daily struggle as it is to try and live with pride, honor, integrity, and trying our best to live sin free. I will never be perfect, and I can only hope that believers and non-believers can show that and respect that. I think too many religious people try and put themselves on a pedestal when really they need to humble themselves and accept that they will never be perfect, but they should strive on a daily basis to try and live as perfect as possible. Chasing the unattainable isn't a bad thing, we are supposed to shoot for the stars! Hell, I've never been satisfied with how I perceive myself in the gym, and probably never will, but I show up every day anyways.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Sure, religion has his up-sides, especially the social part and comfort to be in a group of like minded.
What bothers me is, when a religious person does a kind act, I can never be sure if the person is emphatic -or just "buying a ticket to heaven".
If an atheist commits a terrible act, it's never in the name of atheism, when he acts selfless, it's not because of dogma.
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I have read this post 4 times and I still can't understand why it would bother you WHY a person does kind acts...the world could use a whole lot more kind acts regardless of the motivation.
 
thebigt said:
I have read this post 4 times and I still can't understand why it would bother you WHY a person does kind acts...the world could use a whole lot more kind acts regardless of the motivation.
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I agree, but people being nice out of fear of hell are creepy, do you agree?
My post should not be seen as a rant against religious people, as we know people are the problem -not religion by itself.
Take my former religious friends, who always act as a perfect couple, doing charity and apparently never have problems.
Until you see behind the curtains. The husband coke addict, the wife shopaholic and all the hours reuniting in church for prayers and attending charity events are only to keep the husband from using -or banging his secretary.
I don't say un-religious people are different, but they don't use religion as a scapegoat.
I really like real people and not the "I love Jesus, so expect me to be a good person" kind.
Does this make sense?
 
hairygrandpa said:
I agree, but people being nice out of fear of hell are creepy, do you agree?
My post should not be seen as a rant against religious people, as we know people are the problem -not religion by itself.
Take my former religious friends, who always act as a perfect couple, doing charity and apparently never have problems.
Until you see behind the curtains. The husband coke addict, the wife shopaholic and all the hours reuniting in church for prayers and attending charity events are only to keep the husband from using -or banging his secretary.
I don't say un-religious people are different, but they don't use religion as a scapegoat.
I really like real people and not the "I love Jesus, so expect me to be a good person" kind.
Does this make sense?
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I also dislike phony people.
I also dislike people who go to church to use on resume's, or to be seen as a better person than they truly are.

BUT-your post that I disagreed with involved acts of kindness...I think we should accept acts of kindness as a good thing, rather they come from phoney Christians or atheists makes no difference to me!!!
 
thebigt said:
I have read this post 4 times and I still can't understand why it would bother you WHY a person does kind acts...the world could use a whole lot more kind acts regardless of the motivation.
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Wait a minute, what about all those years you gave me a hard time about those "tax write-off" people??? lol
 
hairygrandpa said:
I agree, but people being nice out of fear of hell are creepy, do you agree?
My post should not be seen as a rant against religious people, as we know people are the problem -not religion by itself.
Take my former religious friends, who always act as a perfect couple, doing charity and apparently never have problems.
Until you see behind the curtains. The husband coke addict, the wife shopaholic and all the hours reuniting in church for prayers and attending charity events are only to keep the husband from using -or banging his secretary.
I don't say un-religious people are different, but they don't use religion as a scapegoat.
I really like real people and not the "I love Jesus, so expect me to be a good person" kind.
Does this make sense?
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Just judge people by their individuality and not their religion, philosophical or political affiliation and problem solved. None of that really matters at the end of the day, everyone is different.
 
ax1 said:
Just judge people by their individuality and not their religion, philosophical or political affiliation and problem solved. None of that really matters at the end of the day, everyone is different.
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if I run out of gas 20 miles from nearest gas station and someone pulls over to help...I am not going to be concerned with what their belief system is.
 
hairygrandpa said:
I agree, but people being nice out of fear of hell are creepy, do you agree?
My post should not be seen as a rant against religious people, as we know people are the problem -not religion by itself.
Take my former religious friends, who always act as a perfect couple, doing charity and apparently never have problems.
Until you see behind the curtains. The husband coke addict, the wife shopaholic and all the hours reuniting in church for prayers and attending charity events are only to keep the husband from using -or banging his secretary.
I don't say un-religious people are different, but they don't use religion as a scapegoat.
I really like real people and not the "I love Jesus, so expect me to be a good person" kind.
Does this make sense?
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can you change your avatar to this

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hairygrandpa said:
Sure, religion has his up-sides, especially the social part and comfort to be in a group of like minded.
What bothers me is, when a religious person does a kind act, I can never be sure if the person is emphatic -or just "buying a ticket to heaven".
If an atheist commits a terrible act, it's never in the name of atheism, when he acts selfless, it's not because of dogma.
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I don't know about other religions, but Christians can't "buy their way into Heaven" by doing good deeds. So you can just put that away and stop worrying about it.
 
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