TRT Bound? Anything out of the ordinary on this blood test?

[Tagger]

What's up you sexy mofos!!!!!!

I'm finally getting back on the grind. <-- *insert a **** yes*

Anyways, while getting ready for the summer time, I've been trying to figure out what is going on with my sleep. Most people know I've always had sleep problems. Well now that I have a good job, and I can afford to pay my doctor to touch my balls (joke).

So I got a full blood test done, and I did some research, but it seems that my test is too low for my age. That really seems to be about it, I know when I've done a cycle or two, I slept great while, "ON", and I think it's because I was on the high end of normal with test. My guess is I've always had low test (everything is making sense now) lol.

Anyways, here are my results, let me know how ****ed I am!!!

PS I am 26 years old. Yay..

CBC W DIFFERENTIAL AUTO:

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COMPREHENSIVE METABOLIC PANEL:

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TSH WITH REFLEX TO FREE T4:

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TESTOSTERONE FREE, TOTAL AND SHBG, ADULT MALE:

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PROSTATE SPECIFIC ANTIGEN, TOTAL:

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[criticalbench]

You think you need TRT with those numbers?? lol people with half your numbers can't even get TRT!! Solid tsh..

 

[Tagger]

You think you need TRT with those numbers?? lol people with half your numbers can't even get TRT!! Solid tsh..

Noooo I was just curious.

Just trying to figure out why I can't sleep haha.

 

[linuxjon]

You'll never, ever get a doc to prescribe trt with that test number. Unless perhaps you go to one of those anti-aging clinics at some ridiculous cost.

 

[Tagger]

You'll never, ever get a doc to prescribe trt with that test number. Unless perhaps you go to one of those anti-aging clinics at some ridiculous cost.

Yah, I've never looked into it.

Sounds like the numbers are right for a 26 year old.

I guess it's time to get a sleep study.

 

[Tagger]

Doctors office finally called. They basically said, "your **** is normal".

 

[linuxjon]

Yah, I've never looked into it.

Sounds like the numbers are right for a 26 year old.

I guess it's time to get a sleep study.

I'm not saying ~450 is a great number for someone your age. I'm just saying its way higher than docs generally consider a problem.

Could always hop on something like 100mg/week of test and see if you suddenly feel a million times better I imagine.

 

[Tagger]

I'm not saying ~450 is a great number for someone your age. I'm just saying its way higher than docs generally consider a problem.

Could always hop on something like 100mg/week of test and see if you suddenly feel a million times better I imagine.

Every time I cycle, I feel like what I assume would be normal.

I love it.

 

[criticalbench]

Yah, I've never looked into it.

Sounds like the numbers are right for a 26 year old.

I guess it's time to get a sleep study.

Sleep study.. Do you think you have sleep apnea? Trouble falling asleep or staying asleep? Very very different causes.

Staying asleep could be apnea.

 

[Tagger]

Sleep study.. Do you think you have sleep apnea? Trouble falling asleep or staying asleep? Very very different causes.

Staying asleep could be apnea.

Well, before they will help with any meds they have to have a diagnosis.

Honestly, I have ADD + Insomnia.

I have trouble falling asleep, and staying asleep.

 

[linuxjon]

Well, before they will help with any meds they have to have a diagnosis.

Honestly, I have ADD + Insomnia.

I have trouble falling asleep, and staying asleep.

When you say ADD, are you on meds?

I used to be on Adderall for ADD. Could never sleep.

 

[kisaj]

You'd never want to get on TRT with those numbers even if allowed. You can easily bring up those test numbers and everything else is normal.

 

[BlockBuilder]

It's more about what's normal for YOU not to everyone else. I've seen guys with high natural T levels that struggle to put on muscle mass like it's nobody's business. I've also seen guys in the 400 range who pack on muscle easily you would never guess there numbers were on the lower end. There's so many variables to consider

 

[Tagger]

When you say ADD, are you on meds?

I used to be on Adderall for ADD. Could never sleep.

Yup, Adderrall.

I've had sleep problems my entire life, and yah, once I thought that might be what's going on. Took a month off from it, still had insomnia.

You'd never want to get on TRT with those numbers even if allowed. You can easily bring up those test numbers and everything else is normal.

That's exactly what I was thinking too.

It's more about what's normal for YOU not to everyone else. I've seen guys with high natural T levels that struggle to put on muscle mass like it's nobody's business. I've also seen guys in the 400 range who pack on muscle easily you would never guess there numbers were on the lower end. There's so many variables to consider

Our bodies are amazing contraptions. Really pretty complex.

 

[adobepot]

Adderall will **** your sleep, badly. Consider dexedrine instead (instant release, not spansule) - shorter half-life means you'll have to dose multiple times per day (probably 2-3), but it will probably wear off in time for you to sleep.

 

[adobepot]

For sleep aids, your least-harmful option, IMO, is Sonata (zaleplon). This is the only sleep aid which does not alter sleep architecture.

 

[adobepot]

I guess because I'm a new user the forum won't let me post that all as one long post... really frustrating.

 

[linuxjon]

For sleep aids, your least-harmful option, IMO, is Sonata (zaleplon). This is the only sleep aid which does not alter sleep architecture.

Unaware of Sonata.

Lunesta treated me better than ambien cr. Haven't used either in years though.

L-theanine in large doses actually does the trick for me now.

 

[kenpoengineer]

What time was your blood draw? I didn't see magnesium in your test results. Try a magnesium glycinate supplement. Agree that your lack of sleep is contributing to low T.

 

[criticalbench]

Adderall will **** your sleep, badly. Consider dexedrine instead (instant release, not spansule) - shorter half-life means you'll have to dose multiple times per day (probably 2-3), but it will probably wear off in time for you to sleep.

Dexaprine has up to a 8-12 hour life for most people.

 

[adobepot]

Dexaprine has up to a 8-12 hour life for most people.

Yes (prescribing info lists it as 10), but that's shorter than l-amp (13 hrs), which is about 50% of the Adderall OP is currently prescribed.

Sources:

GlaxoSmithKline . Dexedrine*(dextroamphetamine sulfate) Spansule*sustained-release capsules and tablets prescribing information. Research Triangle Park, NC; 2007 Mar.

Shire US Inc. Adderall XR*(mixed salts of a single-entity amphetamine product) capsules prescribing information. Wayne, PA; 2007 Mar.

 

[Tagger]

What time was your blood draw? I didn't see magnesium in your test results. Try a magnesium glycinate supplement. Agree that your lack of sleep is contributing to low T.

For sure!

Draw was roughly 2-3 PM.

They gave me some sleep stuff and it's made a dramatic improvement.

 

[kenpoengineer]

For sure!

Draw was roughly 2-3 PM.

They gave me some sleep stuff and it's made a dramatic improvement.

This MAY explain the lower TT. Testosterone is highest in the morning. Combine this and your lack of sleep and your TT will decline substantially. Next time a blood draw is needed, get it done as early in the morning (i.e. 8 AM) as possible.

Also, for $65 go to privatemdlabs dot com and order the "female hormone panel". This will give you LH, FSH, TT, E2, CBC and CMP.

 

[kisaj]

This MAY explain the lower TT. Testosterone is highest in the morning. Combine this and your lack of sleep and your TT will decline substantially. Next time a blood draw is needed, get it done as early in the morning (i.e. 8 AM) as possible.

Also, for $65 go to privatemdlabs dot com and order the "female hormone panel". This will give you LH, FSH, TT, E2, CBC and CMP.

This. TT can lower 25-30% throughout the day naturally and if you took anything that was affecting sleep patterns, that could compound that. I doubt you had anything close to an accurate lab result.

 

[Tagger]

This MAY explain the lower TT. Testosterone is highest in the morning. Combine this and your lack of sleep and your TT will decline substantially. Next time a blood draw is needed, get it done as early in the morning (i.e. 8 AM) as possible.

Also, for $65 go to privatemdlabs dot com and order the "female hormone panel". This will give you LH, FSH, TT, E2, CBC and CMP.

Thanks!!!

I'll get it done one of these days!

 

[Misfit28]

If you snore, apnea could be the culprit. I had severe obstructive sleep apnea when I was at my heaviest (335 lbs. and ~35% BF), and I think now even adding muscle mass has made me revert again. I have a sleep study scheduled again soon, can't wait to get some quality sleep again!

 

[Tagger]

If you snore, apnea could be the culprit. I had severe obstructive sleep apnea when I was at my heaviest (335 lbs. and ~35% BF), and I think now even adding muscle mass has made me revert again. I have a sleep study scheduled again soon, can't wait to get some quality sleep again!

No sleep apnea for me.

I wish it was something more visible.

When is your sleep study?

 

[Misfit28]

No sleep apnea for me.

I wish it was something more visible.

When is your sleep study?

I currently have one scheduled for June, my preferred doctor didn't have an opening until August.

 

[Tagger]

I currently have one scheduled for June, my preferred doctor didn't have an opening until August.

Gotcha. Lemme know how it goes.

 

[Audioph1x]

Subbed, bro. In for the info on this. Good luck and I hope the sleep thing works out.

A couple yrs ago I went to a different doc than my usual as he was all booked for a while (same primary care physician's office). I was having trouble falling asleep and it was ****ing with my school and athletic performance big time. He prescribed me a tricyclic antidepressant.. Makes sense. ?