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Spartan Lean Product Info/Q&A

GreenMachineX said:
If taking 3 per day, should I take 1 with breakfast lunch and dinner, or how should it be spread out?
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This is how I am doing it. Not exactly with the meals.

1. Post-workout at 6:00am w/ shake approximately 45 minutes before breakfast

2. 11:00am, 30 minutes before lunch

3. 4:00pm between afternoon snack and dinner
 
Dma378 said:
This is how I am doing it. Not exactly with the meals.

1. Post-workout at 6:00am w/ shake approximately 45 minutes before breakfast

2. 11:00am, 30 minutes before lunch

3. 4:00pm between afternoon snack and dinner
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Ohhhh. Like prohormones I thought 11-oxo had to be dosed with meals to be optimally absorbed.
 
everyday i look at this i get more convinced that i should go for it... quick questions as this would be my first PH...
1. Would this stack with a fat burner (Epitome)
2. also, I just ordered a bottle of Cardio trx (love the evomuse stuff:) ) would that be OK with LEAN?
3. I will run 2 caps daily for 30 days, and then i will do the vital labs PCT and rebirth for another month , do you think its enough from a PCT perspective?
 
alfeer said:
everyday i look at this i get more convinced that i should go for it... quick questions as this would be my first PH...
1. Would this stack with a fat burner (Epitome)
2. also, I just ordered a bottle of Cardio trx (love the evomuse stuff:) ) would that be OK with LEAN?
3. I will run 2 caps daily for 30 days, and then i will do the vital labs PCT and rebirth for another month , do you think its enough from a PCT perspective?
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You should go for it, trust your gut LOL!!

1. Yes. I am taking a fat burner/appetite suppressant just on weekends with my Lean

2. Yes. I have a bottle of Evomuse Abliderate Advanced that I will be adding to it after the first bottle.

3. Yes. Lean is mild enough, an OTC pct should suffice.
 
Dma378 said:
I have not read that anywhere. If you have a specific link please post it. Maybe I'm doing it wrong LOL
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Just what I remember from when Ergopharm released it years ago. I googled it and saw where it was recommended to take with fat on other forums, but nothing clinical.

How long on it until you noticed something happening?
 
GreenMachineX said:
Just what I remember from when Ergopharm released it years ago. I googled it and saw where it was recommended to take with fat on other forums, but nothing clinical.

How long on it until you noticed something happening?
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4-5 days started noticing a bit of vascularity, pump, and a surprising jump in libido. The libido has leveled back off to normal after about 2 weeks.
 
So I'm about to order 2 bottles for an 8 week run from JWS.

What else would I need apart from a month of OTC PCT which will be Super PCT from OL? With that said, instead of PCT would it be wise to move straight into MASS once the 8 weeks LEAN are finished or better wait after PCT?

I also have a tub of Test1fy Pro and will prob order more from another UK distributor, so I'm wondering how I could best utilize it with LEAN or in PCT?
 
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If you plan on running both I would just bridge Lean into the Mass. But then consider getting a SERM for pct.
 
GreenMachineX said:
If only dosing 2 caps a day, how should it be dosed? Lunch and dinner?
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Not a rep, but I've done way too much reading on 11-oxo in general, but the half life is ~5-6 hours, and because it lowers cortisol, you may not want to dose too close to bed time because you might have trouble waking up. Not sure when your dinner is.
 
JulzRulz said:
Ok cool. As far as I've read following the logs no need for on cycle support?
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I would say it's case dependent and/or personal preference. For Lean, no. But Mass could effect people differently. The Androsterone can potentially elevate BP and lipids slightly.
 
ma70 said:
Not a rep, but I've done way too much reading on 11-oxo in general, but the half life is ~5-6 hours, and because it lowers cortisol, you may not want to dose too close to bed time because you might have trouble waking up. Not sure when your dinner is.
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I've been adhering to this as well. Even though I'm taking 3 caps per day, my last dose is around 4pm.
 
ma70 said:
Not a rep, but I've done way too much reading on 11-oxo in general, but the half life is ~5-6 hours, and because it lowers cortisol, you may not want to dose too close to bed time because you might have trouble waking up. Not sure when your dinner is.
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I'm not even sure why I wrote that; I meant to put breakfast and lunch if dosing twice a day.
 
So it's been 2 weeks or so on this, and I'm so much more sore and achy it's crazy. I guess that means it's working, buy daggone... It's hard to move in the morning when I get up! I'm only taking 2 caps a day too with meals. Anyone else feel like this?
 
GreenMachineX said:
So it's been 2 weeks or so on this, and I'm so much more sore and achy it's crazy. I guess that means it's working, buy daggone... It's hard to move in the morning when I get up! I'm only taking 2 caps a day too with meals. Anyone else feel like this?
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I have been getting great nights sleep- sore, yes indeed
 
GreenMachineX said:
So it's been 2 weeks or so on this, and I'm so much more sore and achy it's crazy. I guess that means it's working, buy daggone... It's hard to move in the morning when I get up! I'm only taking 2 caps a day too with meals. Anyone else feel like this?
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Don't think I noticed any increased soreness. And I've been training like a mad man!! Interesting though.
 
GreenMachineX said:
So it's been 2 weeks or so on this, and I'm so much more sore and achy it's crazy. I guess that means it's working, buy daggone... It's hard to move in the morning when I get up! I'm only taking 2 caps a day too with meals. Anyone else feel like this?
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You may be extra sensitive to fluctuations in cortisol levels. 11-oxo - - -11-keto does have an effect on cortisol levels in the body and low levels can be associated with muscle/joint aches and pains. It is generally thought that 11-keto blocks the conversion of cortisone to cortisol in targeted tissues such as fat and muscle, while allowing for cortisol to still be active elsewhere in the body for normal bodily functions. Having said that, aches and pains are possible, whether it be through targeted cortisol inhibition or possibly through other means such as increased androgenic and lowered estrogenic activity in the body.
 
Toren said:
You may be extra sensitive to fluctuations in cortisol levels. 11-oxo - - -11-keto does have an effect on cortisol levels in the body and low levels can be associated with muscle/joint aches and pains. It is generally thought that 11-keto blocks the conversion of cortisone to cortisol in targeted tissues such as fat and muscle, while allowing for cortisol to still be active elsewhere in the body for normal bodily functions. Having said that, aches and pains are possible, whether it be through targeted cortisol inhibition or possibly through other means such as increased androgenic and lowered estrogenic activity in the body.
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Should it then be more effective for me?
 
GreenMachineX said:
Should it then be more effective for me?
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I'm not sure I can give you a scientific answer. My best anecdotal answer would be that you could see more pronounced effects but you could also see more pronounced side-effects. This will also depend on where your natural cortisol levels are throughout the day, prior to 11-oxo supplementation.

As booneman77 stated, cortisol is not as bad as most people think it is and too much or too little (in target tissues or systemically) is not a good thing for prolonged periods of time. There's no doubt that short-term inhibition of 11bHSD1 can have pronounced affects on visceral fat. There's also no doubt that longterm inhibition would be detrimental in other ways to the body, as cortisol is multi-functional.
 
Toren said:
I'm not sure I can give you a scientific answer. My best anecdotal answer would be that you could see more pronounced effects but you could also see more pronounced side-effects. This will also depend on where your natural cortisol levels are throughout the day, prior to 11-oxo supplementation.

As booneman77 stated, cortisol is not as bad as most people think it is and too much or too little (in target tissues or systemically) is not a good thing for prolonged periods of time. There's no doubt that short-term inhibition of 11bHSD1 can have pronounced affects on visceral fat. There's also no doubt that longterm inhibition would be detrimental in other ways to the body, as cortisol is multi-functional.
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Gotcha. Any chance it's making a little more irritable?
 
Interesting. I've been having some random soreness in certain muscles and joints that kind of come and go. Never seems to bother me during and after workouts though, maybe because of increased cortisol at that time? Workouts 75-90 min with minimal rest
 
jmaplewood said:
Interesting. I've been having some random soreness in certain muscles and joints that kind of come and go. Never seems to bother me during and after workouts though, maybe because of increased cortisol at that time? Workouts 75-90 min with minimal rest
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crazy when you stop and think about it isnt it? thats why i dont and also because i wont understand it

lol jk
 
jmaplewood said:
Interesting. I've been having some random soreness in certain muscles and joints that kind of come and go. Never seems to bother me during and after workouts though, maybe because of increased cortisol at that time? Workouts 75-90 min with minimal rest
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I'm not sure that I can give you a definitive answer without posting a study to back up my claims. Having said that, the noticeable symptoms of low and high cortisol, such as fatigue, depression, musuoloskeletal pain etc. are all cumulative versus being acute. I wouldn't expect that any short duration measurement could be taken and then have the data equated to a specific acute symptom. Cortisol levels naturally raise and lower throughout the day, which shows a healthy adrenal system, and this has nothing to do with long-term symptoms of 11bHSD1 supression or low cortisol.

As far as explaining why you don't feel the aches and pains during/after your workout. I'd be tempted to suggest it has more to do with the muscles/joints being warmed up, and elevated bloodlow to the area. This definitely helps circulation, mobility and the increased clearance of any inflammatory proteins or waste metabolites. Cortisol may play a role in all that but I'm just not sure off the top of my head. I always seem to have aches and pains during the day but usually feel great during and after lifting when I have warmed up properly. Another thing to consider, while cortisol does rise in response to stressors like heavy and prolonged exercise, a simple intra or post-workout shake containing carbs (with protein of course) can signifigantly blunt some of that cortisol response. Invalid Link Removed

There is another thing to consider too. There is a difference between chronically low cortisol and blocking the conversion of cortisone to cortisol in specific target tissues. 11-oxo/11-keto are thought to work mainly by inhibiting 11bHSD1, and thus the cortisone:cortisol conversion, specifically in adipose, liver and muscle tissue (among others). I can't recall ever reading anything that suggests 11-oxo/11-keto would directly or greatly impact overall cortisol production in the body to where it would be detrimental to one's health in the short term. I'm certainly not suggesting that either.

I can't wait to run some 11-oxo/11-keto in a few months. It's worked well for me in the past.
 
Toren. Thanks for the insight. There's so much going on with our bodies its hard to keep straight. But thanks to all you guys here on AM I'm learning so much. Truly a wealth of knowledge.
 
Starting my second bottle today. Already down around 10% so far, excited to see where another 4 weeks takes me. Celebrating with a big @ss pancake breakfast.
 
Glad this seems to be working out for everyone else, but as of today, I'm done. I'm sick of waking up and feeling like I'm 80, and that's only on 2 caps per day. Sucks I have a bottle and half left.
 
GreenMachineX said:
Glad this seems to be working out for everyone else, but as of today, I'm done. I'm sick of waking up and feeling like I'm 80, and that's only on 2 caps per day. Sucks I have a bottle and half left.
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Dang man this sucks. Goes to show how everyone reacts differently. 3 caps hasn't done anything close to this to me. Again, sorry it was not a good run bro.
 
Dma378 said:
My friends, this one has me super excited. The combination of 11-DHEA and 7-DHEA make Spartan Lean essential for a killer cutting cycle. Either solo or stacks well with other products, PHs, and SARMs. Full product description below.

Introducing Spartan Lean

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Spartan Lean is the ultimate lean muscle mass prohormone on the market. Spartan Lean can help you produce lean, dry, vascular muscle mass while melting away body fat – improving strength and definition, overall.

Spartan Lean is the purest, strongest, most potent combination to effectively increase lean muscle and shred body fat, comparable to that of the Elite Spartans. Remember the days of buying 2 or 3 bottles of a product to get a decent cycle? With Spartan Lean's optimal dosing this is no longer a problem. 1 bottle is a 30 day cycle at proven doses! It's time to get ripped and massive without breaking the bank.

Spartan Lean is non-estrogenic, offers the ideal composition to maximize lean muscle mass while shredding body fat, with almost little to no side effects of typical prohormones like lethargy or gyno. Spartan Lean is anti-estrogenic, non-methylated, anabolic, anti-catabolic, and harnesses the thermogenic power of 7-DHEA and 11-DHEA combined.

Spartan Lean contains 7-DHEA and 11-DHEA, an incredibly synergistic blend formulated by Sparta Nutrition to help you reach that lean aesthetic figure you’ve been working so hard for.

Spartan Lean Benefits:

Increase Lean Muscle Mass
Increase Strength
Diminish Fat
Vascularity and Definition
Reduce Cortisol Levels


What is 7-DHEA?

7-DHEA, also known as 7-Keto-DHEA, is 7-Keto. 7-DHEA is a molecule derived from the Serum DHEA (3β-Hydroxy-5-Androstene-17-one). 7-DHEA is synonymous with 7-oxo or 7-oxo-DHEA, belonging to the ketone group. 7-Keto is naturally occurring within the body (just like DHEA and the enzymes that mediate the conversion within the human body) at a highly variable level of 0.280+/-0.227nmol/L in serum with undetectable levels in some persons. 7-Keto is incapable of any estrogenic effects.


Preliminary evidence suggests that 7-keto can reduce memory impairment by cholinergic toxins or by age, but the studies are currently using injections with no human evidence. A recent study showed that there was no influence on systolic or diastolic blood pressure.

Studies show that 7-Keto supplementation tend to note an increased metabolic rate during a caloric deficit. 7-Keto is a promising non-hormonal fat burning agent.

What is 11-DHEA?

11-DHEA is 11-OXO, which is also known as Adrenosterone (a prohormone produced in the adrenal glands). 11-OXO’s conversion hormone is known as 11-ketotestosterone. 11-OXO is non-aromatizing, which means it provides lean muscle mass, fat loss, and increased libido.

The notable conversion of 11-OXO to 11-ketotestosterone is what provides the prominent androgenic effects



11-OXO has been well sought as it inhibits 11beta-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase type1 reductase (11HSD1R), responsible for converting cortisone to the actively catabolic (muscle wasting) cortisol. Cortisol wastes muscle mass, promotes fatty deposits; 11-OXO inhibits these negative effects while promoting lean muscle mass. 11-OXO’s also noted to increase protein synthesis and produce recovery improvement. It also has shown to have measurable increases in strength.

Boost Bioavailability

Spartan Lean amplifies absorption and bioavailability with 6,7,-dihydroxybergamottin (DHB), an organic chemical compound found in grapefruit juice. The basic belief behind DHB is that it alters the metabolism, as DHB blocks the enzyme CYP3A4 – most commonly found within the liver and intestines to heighten the concentration of medication within the blood. Resultantly, you end up with enhanced bioavailbility of 7-DHEA and 11-DHEA for the maximum absorption of Spartan Lean.
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Is this a steroid? When you say prohomore what does that mean
 
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iconclast said:
Is this a steroid? When you say prohomore what does that mean
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Prohormone means it is not an active steroid but rather has to be converted (usually through enzymatic breakdown in the liver) to an active compound.

The 11-dhea in this case is the ph while 7-dhea is not.
 
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