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Mandro the Giant

Oh lmao another thigh...serms are old school bro they were great when ai's weren't around but now they're obsolete. Al's are better period.
 
Ya I have a basic liver support that's only 60 pills for the whole 6 weeks so I figure it should be enough. I have extremely healthy liver function. I figure if I PCT proper it should all be fine. Like you guys said it is non- methylated, but I can see how both sides. Being safe never hurts. It does say on the site "it is not needed but recommended" so I guess it's a toss up.
 
you cleary dont know the difference, ai's are just better for post period. Why take something that just blocks the estro receptor when you could block estro production. Its better for test boosting and for preventing estro sides. COME AT ME BRO ;)
 
alexb13 said:
you cleary dont know the difference, ai's are just better for post period. Why take something that just blocks the estro receptor when you could block estro production. Its better for test boosting and for preventing estro sides. COME AT ME BRO ;)
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LOL you say this with such conviction, even though its completely wrong.
 
Ah, has run andros and some PHs maybe, suddenly is expert.
 
alexb13 said:
you cleary dont know the difference, ai's are just better for post period. Why take something that just blocks the estro receptor when you could block estro production. Its better for test boosting and for preventing estro sides. COME AT ME BRO ;)
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You claim to study this stuff day in and day out, and then you say this.....
 
NoAddedHmones said:
Why don't you enlighten us?
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Honestly, I actually do have better things to do for once lol. Schoolwork is taking most of my time right now. Very brief visits to the forum
 
alexb13 said:
you cleary dont know the difference, ai's are just better for post period. Why take something that just blocks the estro receptor when you could block estro production. Its better for test boosting and for preventing estro sides. COME AT ME BRO ;)
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SERMs blocks estrogen at the pituitary which makes the pituitary begin releasing LH again, this tells your nuts to cook up some testosterone.

an AI can be used alongside a seem such as clomid or nolva but on its own an AI will be useless until your pituitary decides to fire up your nuts.
 
hmmm let me think, serm, selective androgen receptor modulator. Which means, that instead of the estro binding with the receptors this drug selectively and antagonistically binds with the receptors. SO IN REVIEW THE ESTROGEN IS STILL IN YOUR BODY. This wouldnt be a problem if you didnt stop taking the serm ever. However most normal ppl will give their body some time AFTER THEIR PCT to make sure they are running smooth naturally. What happens to all that estro when you stop taking this drug??? It doesnt just go away. Ever heard of something called an estrogen rebound??? All that excess estro thats just been chilling in your system but couldnt bind with the receptors is now free to cause chaos and mayhem. man boobs bloating puffy nips gyno a bunch of shiznit you really dont want to have to worry about. This doesnt happen to everyone but his VERY POSSIBLE. So once again the question i'm going to ask is WHY when youre pct would you want to worry about and estro rebound when you could use a suicide aromatase inhibitor (ai) which (depending on which one you choose) will permanently eradicate 80-98% of the present estrogen so there is no rebound. hmmm like rich p says lets try to think logically ppl.
 
MMAguy said:
SERMs blocks estrogen at the pituitary which makes the pituitary begin releasing LH again, this tells your nuts to cook up some testosterone.

an AI can be used alongside a seem such as clomid or nolva but on its own an AI will be useless until your pituitary decides to fire up your nuts.
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AI's stimulate the pituitary to produce test via the hpta feed back system. Supressed estrogen is recogized by the body or hpta or pituitary as having low test, because as we all no your body's estro is created from test. Your bodies response to low estro is to produce more test to try and re-establish balance with your estro. A suicide ai WILL stim production of test in your body via this feedback system period AND all without the worry of estrogen side effects when you stop taking it. Every one's body responds differently I'll acknowledge that. However ai's are just better. Its ideal to have an ai and a serm pct, but a serm by itself wont help as much as and ai by itself would. If youre looking for bang for your buck use an ai. END OF DISCUSSION BROMIGO ;)
 
alexb13 said:
AI's stimulate the pituitary to produce test via the hpta feed back system. Supressed estrogen is recogized by the body or hpta or pituitary as having low test, because as we all no your body's estro is created from test. Your bodies response to low estro is to produce more test to try and re-establish balance with your estro. A suicide ai WILL stim production of test in your body via this feedback system period AND all without the worry of estrogen side effects when you stop taking it. Every one's body responds differently I'll acknowledge that. However ai's are just better. Its ideal to have an ai and a serm pct, but a serm by itself wont help as much as and ai by itself would. If youre looking for bang for your buck use an ai. END OF DISCUSSION BROMIGO ;)
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Still wrong. It would take much longer to get your test levels back up if you chose an ai solo over a serm. But you seem to be dead set on your beliefs so I'll just leave it at that.
 
MMAguy said:
Still wrong. It would take much longer to get your test levels back up if you chose an ai solo over a serm. But you seem to be dead set on your beliefs so I'll just leave it at that.
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you sir are very wrong, they both work at the same rate buddy. The reason serm's work is because like you said the block estro at the receptors and the body (hpta) recognizes this as their being no estrogen. So why would it not kick start the hpta at the same rate if their actually were no estrogen???? Basic endocrinology my little wanna be broscientist ;) :D :)
 
Looks like you need to go back to the books and do a little more research alexb13.
There's a reason people use primarily SERMs in PCT today and not just an AI. If you can't figure that out, you shouldn't be cycling.
Pro tip: maybe stop talking down to people in a contemptuous manner, especially if you have no idea what you're talking about.
 
I've done plenty of research i know what studies say, and I know what works for me. And others I know as well. Like in real life. I'm done with all this monotonous bs. If you don't believe me try it, get bloods done, then tell me in wrong.
 
Are there realistically any permanent side effects of running a cycle of a 1 Andro like Super Mandro with a 4 Andro like Andro the Giant, and then after post cycle and maybe 8 weeks off just taking Anafuse, running another of something like Ostashred and Androvar? I don't plan to do Pro Hormones more than a couple times.. But could just two or three cycles mess anything up?
 
No not really, at your age if you're healthy now you'll be healthy after. I've heard stories of people never being the same again even 6 months after being off of everything. But every one I know in real life that cycles, always get back to normal. Some people say you wont be able to have kids but one of my best friend's is 39 years old and he was coming of a heavy cycle of injectables, just 2 weeks into PCT when he accidentally got his girl pregnant. Everyone is different, there is a very slim chance that you could permanently mess something up, but I've never seen it happen with any of the people I know in real life. But I have heard stories about it on forums.
 
Cool, I know it's way in advance but after this I was planning to do more off a cutting cycle, like I said with Osta Shred and Androvar. Would it be smarter to stack it with anything else? A 4 Andro as a base? Is there a better base?
 
Androvar is the closest thing to a base you can use, other than 4 ad, or test. You could use androvar as a base, and still run 1ad to add some extra gains. Androvar (epiandro/dht pro) and super mandro (1ad) work great for cutting because they facilitate fat loss and still help maintain, or even gain muscle in a calorie deficit. But this is just my opinion. I'm sure someone will have plenty of other opinions 4 you. Good luck with your run bro.
 
Ya I've found mixed results as far as what to run with the Androvar. Some say 1 Andro and some say 4 Andro.
 
Because o know you need to use 4 Andro as a base for 1 Andro, but does the Androvar replace the need for the 4 Andro in this situation?
 
Androvar will convert to dht through 2 different enzymatic pathways. Dht will ensure you have sexual function, high libido, and plenty aggression to get through workouts. It's also works really well to offset 1ad lethargy issues. Those two work well together. However with no 4ad (test) you'll have very little estrogen, which can cause dry joints. For a cut I'd say your best bet, would be all three. Run the androvar as high as you need to, to offset the lethargy/libido issues from 1ad, and add in just a little bit of 4 ad once or twice a day just to get some estrogen conversion
 
Okay, the only reason I was trying to skip out on the 4 Andro was because I wanted to run Osta Shred along with the Androvar and 1 Andro (probably Super Mandro) and I thought that would be a little much
 
Lolol no, wouldn't do much if anything. But there have been studies done that say osta causes an increase in estro. It might workout fine but you don't know unless you try it
 
alexb13 said:
I've done plenty of research i know what studies say, and I know what works for me. And others I know as well. Like in real life. I'm done with all this monotonous bs. If you don't believe me try it, get bloods done, then tell me in wrong.
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...kissdadookie?
 
So going back to the original question of length to take it. I'm pretty much set on 330/330/440/440/550/550 for 6 weeks. Unless anyone has a better idea. Better idea to stick with 8 weeks at lower doses?
 
AEO said:
So going back to the original question of length to take it. I'm pretty much set on 330/330/440/440/550/550 for 6 weeks. Unless anyone has a better idea. Better idea to stick with 8 weeks at lower doses?
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I'd start at the 330 and ramp as you feel. I always like to go in with a game plan, but sometimes the best route is to see how your body adjusts to the increased doses and make the call whether to stay, drop back down, or continue to ramp up.
 
^^^^agree 100% I thought I could run 1ad and 4ad mg for mg on my first cycle but in my body it was intolerable found out between the 4 and epi, it has to be around double the dose mg for mg as the 1ad. You never know till you try.
 
If you don't run Clomid or Tamoxifen you will probably lose most of the gains! Arimastane is worthless in my opinion. There is bloods showing little drop in e2, and increase in prolactin. Prolactin will give you big puffy nipples. Clomid is potent and is prescribed to men with low T.
 
^^^^lol once again clomid is good tamoxifen is better, exemestane (aromasin) beats both and arimadex is even better. With serms AND regular ai's there can be an estrogen rebound. Arimastane is in the class of suicidal aromatase inhibitors so there is no estro rebound, however it doesn't work as well as any of the prescription drugs mentioned above HOWEVER it's the best legal estro blocker you can get. Exemestane is a suicidal aromatase inhibitor that can completely permanently crush your circulating estrogen up to like 92% I think. It's known as a steroidal suicide aromatase inhibitor. This stuff really isn't that confusing do some research. If you want to go the prescription drug route go to eroids dot com and check out the reviews for research chem/peptide sites. One is better than the rest which you can clearly see if you compare the ratings and how many reviews they have. I'm probably going to get in trouble for saying all that, and I'm sure 5 or 6 more people will jump in and argue with me, but if I could attach links I could show you endless info on how ai's just work better than serms...but I believe that's not allowed so go ahead trolls spit a bunch of bs and confuse the fk out of this poor kid.
 
You are actually saying things that are down right false. Not one single aromatase ihibitor has been shown to jump start Hypothalamic-Pituitary-Testicular Axis. All SERM are proven to do so. There is a plethora of articles published in medical journals proving SERM does just that.
 
Here we go again. Ok BRO serms bind to estrogen receptors in the pituitary and other places to temporarily disable estrogen from binding to them. In a sense they trick your hpta, into thinking you have low estrogen. Ai's actually eliminate estrogen so both effect the hpta the same way, one just works better. Argue all you want...the fact that you said there is no evidence proving ai's jump-start your hpta is how I know it's a waste of time to argue with you. Cuz that's wrong. Ask a doctor ai's are more effective. That's why they prescribe them to women with estrogen sensitive cancers ie. breast cancer. God I really don't understand why it's so hard to grasp this concept. Pm me and I'll link you some articles to read. I'm done arguing with people who refuse to think logically....have a nice day.
 
Yes people are going to jump in and argue with you because you're completely misguided and honestly idk where you do your research but it's straight up ****ing backwards. Why don't you provide some links or sources to prove this bull**** you keep spewing?
Only troll here is you.
 
Ask a doctor..? Have YOU asked a doctor? Why the **** do you think they prescribe CLOMID for TRT and not exemestane? Oh yeah. Because you're ****ing wrong.
 
You mad bro??? Clomid is used instead of trt...t.r.t. testosterone replacement therapy....meaning they prescribe you testosterone because your endogenous levels are low. Clomid is used when you want to avoid trt, it's an alternative genius. Lmao it's mainly prescribed to men who have low hormones but are trying to have a kid kinda like a fertility drug. It was ORIGINALLY designed to fight estrogen sensitive cancers in women, but because so many other things worked better (tamoxifen, exemestane, arimadex, letrozole) they stopped using it. Now the only thing they can use it for its male infertility because it failed at its previous jobs. Estrogen...in life and death situations (stopping estrogenic cancers) doctors RARELY ever use clomid any more...normally they use ai's occasionally tamoxifen....get the picture? Or are you still lost....
 
alexb13 said:
You mad bro??? Clomid is used instead of trt...t.r.t. testosterone replacement therapy....meaning they prescribe you testosterone because your endogenous levels are low. Clomid is used when you want to avoid trt, it's an alternative genius. Lmao it's mainly prescribed to men who have low hormones but are trying to have a kid kinda like a fertility drug. It was ORIGINALLY designed to fight estrogen sensitive cancers in women, but because so many other things worked better (tamoxifen, exemestane, arimadex, letrozole) they stopped using it. Now the only thing they can use it for its male infertility because it failed at its previous jobs. Estrogen...in life and death situations (stopping estrogenic cancers) doctors RARELY ever use clomid any more...normally they use ai's occasionally tamoxifen....get the picture? Or are you still lost....
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Every time you type I see you getting dumber...
 
alexb13 said:
You mad bro??? Clomid is used instead of trt...t.r.t. testosterone replacement therapy....meaning they prescribe you testosterone because your endogenous levels are low. Clomid is used when you want to avoid trt, it's an alternative genius. Lmao it's mainly prescribed to men who have low hormones but are trying to have a kid kinda like a fertility drug. It was ORIGINALLY designed to fight estrogen sensitive cancers in women, but because so many other things worked better (tamoxifen, exemestane, arimadex, letrozole) they stopped using it. Now the only thing they can use it for its male infertility because it failed at its previous jobs. Estrogen...in life and death situations (stopping estrogenic cancers) doctors RARELY ever use clomid any more...normally they use ai's occasionally tamoxifen....get the picture? Or are you still lost....
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Thanks buddy, I know what TRT is.
You pretty much just disproved yourself, by the way. "Clomid is used when you want to avoid TRT, it's an alternative" and do you know why that is, genius?
it's mainly prescribed to men who have low hormones
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strange... You mean to tell me they don't prescribe AIs to boost the male sex and fertility hormones?? Who'd have ****ing thunk?!?!
Yes, they treat estrogen sensitive cancers with AIs instead of SERMs. Can you take a wild guess at why that is? Because they're better than SERMs at inhibiting the conversion of testosterone to estrogen via the aromatase enzyme!
Get the picture? Still lost, buddy boy bro genius man?
Now, if you have any other questions about how human physiology and steroid hormones work, please feel free to ask. I'd be more than glad to spell things out for you.
Damn, it's like trying to explain to a small child why he's wrong. Hint: if you've never tried this, basically they refuse to listen to you or believe they're wrong and will even resort to name calling before admitting that they may have been misguided.
 
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