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so now you know and arent misguided-

The verse does not say infidels it says idolaters. (9:5) And when the forbidden months have passed, kill the idolaters wherever you find them and take them prisoners, and beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they repent and observe Prayer and pay the Zakat, then leave their way free. Surely, Allah is Most Forgiving, Merciful.

This verse, chapter 9 verse 5, is often used as evidence that Islam allows killing of non-Muslims, but what is not recognized is the context and history behind these verses. The history of this verse is that when Prophet Muhammadsa began preaching the unity of God he was persecuted for 13 years, much as Prophets Abraham and Jesus were. Since Muslims who are being persecuted are encouraged to leave for safer areas, rather than create disorder, Muhammadsa and his followers migrated to Medina. After they left, the Meccans attacked them in Medina on and off for a period of nine years until Chapter 9 was revealed.

Looking at the context of the verses, it becomes obvious that the commandment of this verse only relates to those tribes who continued hostilities against the Muslims even after they had migrated. In particular, reference is made to 5 tribes (‘Banu Khuza’ah, Banu Mudlij, Banu Bakr, Banu Damrah, and Banu Sulaiim) that did not honor the treaties they made with Muslims. It is also important to remember that the preceding verses give these people respite for 4 months to reconsider their behavior and cease hostilities. Sadly after 4 months passed, the enemies of Islam continued their hostilities against the Muslims. Only then was Prophet Muhammadsa commanded by God to meet them in battle to defend Muslims and the religion of Islam.
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cant open it - but will take a look-
no way am i causing a fight or here to prove who is right or wrong- I honestly believe there is just more to every religion and culture. Unfortunately, we read only what we want to, hear what we want to and see what we want to see. we make judgements based on this, not the whole picture
 
when was the last time you saw Christians stoning someone?

on the other hand there are more than a few videos going around of muslims beheading detractors.

I am not saying all muslims are bad...I just find it odd that you seem so eager to condemn christians while always defending muslims, this seems to be a pattern you have established-particularly odd since you are a self described Christian, lol.

I'm not condemning, just using an example. I don't see Christian extremists stoning though, you're right. I see them shooting up people and spreading massive hate rhetoric. Is this right? No, but I am not condemning any religion as a whole, quite the opposite.
 
I'm not condemning, just using an example. I don't see Christian extremists stoning though, you're right. I see them shooting up people and spreading massive hate rhetoric. Is this right? No, but I am not condemning any religion as a whole, quite the opposite.

That and trying to impose their religion on others by legislating morality.
 
That and trying to impose their religion on others by legislating morality.

seems with the new Pope, the Catholic Church has changed its views and stands on many issues
 
seems with the new Pope, the Catholic Church has changed its views and stands on many issues

Very true!

Examples of what I mean are the defunding of women's health to restrict access to abortions. However, in the process they are also putting women's health at risk.

Also, trying to legislate that marriage is only between a man and a woman to prevent gay marriage.
 
Very true!

Examples of what I mean are the defunding of women's health to restrict access to abortions. However, in the process they are also putting women's health at risk.

Also, trying to legislate that marriage is only between a man and a woman to prevent gay marriage.

ok, get that, but that is more of a state issue- C.C's have now starting accepting gay marriages- some at least

but again, good point
 
seems with the new Pope, the Catholic Church has changed its views and stands on many issues

Yeah....tell people not to build walls but not tear your own down. Tell people to take refugees that desperate need help, but not let a single one in your own city.

This Pope is a globalist new world order political monster.
 
That and trying to impose their religion on others by legislating morality.

lol...you have out done yourself with this statement!!!

all Christians do not have the same viewpoints on all issues as you seem to think. why do you want to stereotype, I thought liberal's didn't do that?
 
then you have the whole issue of the Pledge of Allegiance not being said in schools. That to me is on f*cking sane. I honestly believe this was brought on by some movement to simply create a wave of BS. Why do they have to say "Under God" it offends my morals. Go F you and your morals

i know there is a better way to get my point across and if this was mentioned in the 107 pages of this thread i do apologize, but this is a perfect example of how we as Americans- regardless of race, religion or sex have lost our way as a country as a whole
 
lol...you have out done yourself with this statement!!!

all Christians do not have the same viewpoints on all issues as you seem to think. why do you want to stereotype, I thought liberal's didn't do that?

Just starting what I see every day. Tennessee is one of the worst States about this.
 
Yeah....tell people not to build walls but not tear your own down. Tell people to take refugees that desperate need help, but not let a single one in your own city.

This Pope is a globalist new world order political monster.

Pope never said not take in anyone needing shelter- That was Christie, not the Pope
 
Yeah....tell people not to build walls but not tear your own down. Tell people to take refugees that desperate need help, but not let a single one in your own city.

This Pope is a globalist new world order political monster.

nevemind- my bad-

lmao- threads keep popping up, mixing them all together- i got ya
 
ok,

its 1825 eastern time- can we take a 5 min break so i can catch up on these threads- LMAO

reconvene at 1830
 
then you have the whole issue of the Pledge of Allegiance not being said in schools. That to me is on f*cking sane. I honestly believe this was brought on by some movement to simply create a wave of BS. Why do they have to say "Under God" it offends my morals. Go F you and your morals

i know there is a better way to get my point across and if this was mentioned in the 107 pages of this thread i do apologize, but this is a perfect example of how we as Americans- regardless of race, religion or sex have lost our way as a country as a whole

Why should my son be forced to say "Under God" when that was added LONG after the country was founded?

What if they passed a law that states that you must say Under the Flying Spaghetti Monster"? Would you like that? I know that sounds silly, but the Flying Spaghetti Monster is just as real to me as God is ;)
 
Just starting what I see every day. Tennessee is one of the worst States about this.

are you from Tennessee? I bet there are many in Tennessee who actually share the same beliefs as you. you have got to stop this stereotyping or I am going to ask you to turn in your liberal card!!!!

you are starting to define the meaning of a bigot, lol!!!
 
Why should my son be forced to say "Under God" when that was added LONG after the country was founded?

What if they passed a law that states that you must say Under the Flying Spaghetti Monster"? Would you like that? I know that sounds silly, but the Flying Spaghetti Monster is just as real to me as God is ;)

hmm,

i understand your point, i stand corrected
 
are you from Tennessee? I bet there are many in Tennessee who actually share the same beliefs as you. you have got to stop this stereotyping or I am going to ask you to turn in your liberal card!!!!

you are starting to define the meaning of a bigot, lol!!!

lol!!!

See Misfit28 - you just had to give it time. It's all jokes in this thread
 
are you from Tennessee? I bet there are many in Tennessee who actually share the same beliefs as you. you have got to stop this stereotyping or I am going to ask you to turn in your liberal card!!!!

you are starting to define the meaning of a bigot, lol!!!

Well, you wouldn't be able to tell from our legislature. It's actually illegal to be an atheist and hold office in Tennessee.

Rather than focus on real issues here, they would rather focus on teaching creationism in classrooms.

So, it DOES affect my life daily. The main reason my wife homeschools my son. Not because we are religious, but because most here try to shove it down our throats!
 
Well, you wouldn't be able to tell from our legislature. It's actually illegal to be an atheist and hold office in Tennessee.

Rather than focus on real issues here, they would rather focus on teaching creationism in classrooms.

So, it DOES affect my life daily. The main reason my wife homeschools my son. Not because we are religious, but because most here try to shove it down our throats!

do you get a tax break for homeschooling?
 
Why should my son be forced to say "Under God" when that was added LONG after the country was founded?

What if they passed a law that states that you must say Under the Flying Spaghetti Monster"? Would you like that? I know that sounds silly, but the Flying Spaghetti Monster is just as real to me as God is ;)

Nobody ever forced me to say that in school. I usually just stood up out of respect for the country. As a kid I wasnt hyper sensitive and emotioinal to other people's views.
 
are you from Tennessee? I bet there are many in Tennessee who actually share the same beliefs as you. you have got to stop this stereotyping or I am going to ask you to turn in your liberal card!!!!

you are starting to define the meaning of a bigot, lol!!!

OK, I admit it. I hate white people! ;)
 
Nope, lol. But then again, no income tax here ;)

see, i think you should for federal- cause im sure as sh1t your state rec aid from the govt which should be kicked back to you
 
Well, you wouldn't be able to tell from our legislature. It's actually illegal to be an atheist and hold office in Tennessee.

Rather than focus on real issues here, they would rather focus on teaching creationism in classrooms.

So, it DOES affect my life daily. The main reason my wife homeschools my son. Not because we are religious, but because most here try to shove it down our throats!

I am going to surprise you and agree this is wrong....the freedom to practice religion should include the right to believe or not believe in the religion of your choice...this includes muslims and atheist's!!!

I have no problem with pledge of allegiance in schools, but children should not be forced to participate and also not discriminated against if they choose not to. there has to be a middle ground!!!

actually I think the fight over religion is a distraction, either you believe or you don't it should be your choice....there are much more serious issues affecting this country, imo.
 
I am going to surprise you and agree this is wrong....the freedom to practice religion should include the right to believe or not believe in the religion of your choice...this includes muslims and atheist's!!!

I have no problem with pledge of allegiance in schools, but children should not be forced to participate and also not discriminated against if they choose not to. there has to be a middle ground!!!

actually I think the fight over religion is a distraction, either you believe or you don't it should be your choice....there are much more serious issues affecting this country, imo.

I'm in total agreement with you man. See, we all have something we have in common! :thumbup:
 
actually I think the fight over religion is a distraction, either you believe or you don't it should be your choice....there are much more serious issues affecting this country, imo.

I believe its all promoted by the establishment government along with this crisis with cops and race. They want all of us fighting with each other being distracted with irrelevant issues while behind the scenes they rape and pillage this country.
 
And yes thebigt, I need to be more mindful of broad generalizations about people because of the candidate they say they support. However, I still hate The Donald with a passion!
 
Well, you wouldn't be able to tell from our legislature. It's actually illegal to be an atheist and hold office in Tennessee.

Rather than focus on real issues here, they would rather focus on teaching creationism in classrooms.

So, it DOES affect my life daily. The main reason my wife homeschools my son. Not because we are religious, but because most here try to shove it down our throats!

It's also illegal to be a Clergyman or a duelist. Looks like both sides are covered.
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I'm in total agreement with you man. See, we all have something we have in common! :thumbup:

since you came late to this thread I will fill you in on something else about me...other than being a narrow minded racist Christian I am also in favor of planned parenthood, while I may not agree with everything they stand for they provide valuable services for women who might not get care other places. I have also changed my views on abortion, I used to be totally against it but I have realized that I would prefer to have abortion[not 3rd trimester]than force a woman to have a baby she does not want-I feel this baby could very well face a life of neglect/abuse, and I don't want to see this...also, although I hate having it thrown in my face I have accepted the fact that what people do in their own bedrooms is not my business....

I truly believe that if trump is nominated he will really try to unite people and he will come out with the same views as I have stated, I think this is why establishment republicans and democrats are so against him-they fear he will stop party line radicalism and start doing things logically...I truly believe trump is a moderate at heart!!!!
 
I believe its all promoted by the establishment government along with this crisis with cops and race. They want all of us fighting with each other being distracted with irrelevant issues while behind the scenes they rape and pillage this country.

This!!

There's no Trump vs Hillary this is all just bull****

They will place who they want in the WH.
 
since you came late to this thread I will fill you in on something else about me...other than being a narrow minded racist Christian I am also in favor of planned parenthood, while I may not agree with everything they stand for they provide valuable services for women who might not get care other places. I have also changed my views on abortion, I used to be totally against it but I have realized that I would prefer to have abortion[not 3rd trimester]than force a woman to have a baby she does not want-I feel this baby could very well face a life of neglect/abuse, and I don't want to see this...also, although I hate having it thrown in my face I have accepted the fact that what people do in their own bedrooms is not my business....

I truly believe that if trump is nominated he will really try to unite people and he will come out with the same views as I have stated, I think this is why establishment republicans and democrats are so against him-they fear he will stop party line radicalism and start doing things logically...I truly believe trump is a moderate at heart!!!!

Well said, sir.

The anti immigrant sentiment gets me really fired up because I have immigrant friends that I have personally seen be shunned in public. It is particularly bad because they are Egyptian Muslims, and the woman wears a hijab.
 
I would really enjoy seeing a debate between Bernie and Trump!

get ready to be shocked if trump is the republican nominee....I have a feeling the entire rhetoric is going to change!!!
 
Well said, sir.

The anti immigrant sentiment gets me really fired up because I have immigrant friends that I have personally seen be shunned in public. It is particularly bad because they are Egyptian Muslims, and the woman wears a hijab.

trump is a smart man...I bet he has talked to many members of national security and they have a system already in place to vet muslim immigrants...Obama won't let them use these procedures because he is so anti-profiling. you watch, I bet you are going to be surprised!!!
 
I'll be looking at the VPs of whoever becomes the nominee for P. Trump will probably get shot. Hilary might get shot. Or indicted. Bernie will probably have a heart attack. VPs will be where it's at.

 
I'll be looking at the VPs of whoever becomes the nominee for P. Trump will probably get shot. Hilary might get shot. Or indicted. Bernie will probably have a heart attack. VPs will be where it's at.


Trump needs to pick Vince McMahon. That would just be awesome!
 
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