Help me with my pre workout stack!

ForceOfNature

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Hey guys, I recently have been taking an interest in Nootropics and bulk ingredients, anyways I have a few that I looked into and I wanna create my own stack. I'm mainly looking for increases in mood, productivity and focus. I'm gonna use Purus labs condense as my caffeine source since it has some extra goodies in there and has amazing flavouring! Here is the list I made so far:
DMAA
L theanine
PEA
Creatine HCL
Aniracetam
Rhodiola rosea

Other ingredients that I find interesting are Velvet bean extract, St John's wort and phenylracetam. Now phenylracetam is more expensive and a bit harder for me to acquire than aniracetam so if someone could explain the differences between the two, that would be awesome. I hear phenylracetam provides auditory and visual stimulation. I haven't looked into aniracetam much so info on that would be greatly appreciated also. Other than that leave you thoughts and suggestions.
Thanks!
 
I would skip the PEA honestly, the active half-lives often limit them so much I don't even feel it at all.

Condense is a good product though, to that and your other additions you could consider something like adding agmatine or citrulline
 
Driven2lift said:
I would skip the PEA honestly, the active half-lives often limit them so much I don't even feel it at all.

Condense is a good product though, to that and your other additions you could consider something like adding agmatine or citrulline
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Yea, a lot of people say PEA is hit or miss. I thought about adding Citrulline or Agmatine but condense covers pump and endurance for me and when I re up on it I'm most likely gonna pair it up with noxygen so Citrulline and Agmatine are not on my priority list as of right now.
 
Here is my new list, I dropped dmaa and was able to add a significant amount of more ingredients for about the same price. Suggestions and thoughts would be appreciated. I'm gonna mix and match these but won't obviously take them all at once.

Phenylpiracetam
L theanine
Hordenine
Rhodiola rosea 3% salidroside
Caffeine anhydrous
Alpha Gpc
Valerian root extract
Noopet
N acetyl L tyrosine
Mucuna puriens extract 98%
Creatine monohydrate
 
ForceOfNature said:
Here is my new list, I dropped dmaa and was able to add a significant amount of more ingredients for about the same price. Suggestions and thoughts would be appreciated. I'm gonna mix and match these but won't obviously take them all at once.

Phenylpiracetam
L theanine
Hordenine
Rhodiola rosea 3% salidroside
Caffeine anhydrous
Alpha Gpc
Valerian root extract
Noopet
N acetyl L tyrosine
Mucuna puriens extract 98%
Creatine monohydrate
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How often are you planning on taking phenylpiracetam?

I'm not sure why you would take valerian pre-workout.

I'd make sure your rhodiola has decent rosavin and salidroside content (200mg of 3%r & 1%s extract has been shown to have acute exercise benefits.

I'd go with l-tyrosine over NALT personally as well.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
Are you planning on taking phenylpiracetam?

I'm not sure why you would take valerian pre-workout.

I'd make sure your rhodiola has decent rosavin and salidroside content (200mg of 3%r & 1%s extract has been shown to have acute exercise benefits.

I'd go with l-tyrosine over NALT personally as well.
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Valerian is for help with sleep, I just listed all the ingredients I was getting, and yes I plan on taking phenylpiracetam. I plan on only taking it 2-3 times a week though since I hear tolerance builds up fast. I have rhodiola that is 3 rosavin but wanted to try the other way around since I heard 3% salidroside is superior to 3% rosavin.
 
ForceOfNature said:
Valerian is for help with sleep, I just listed all the ingredients I was getting, and yes I plan on taking phenylpiracetam. I plan on only taking it 2-3 times a week though since I hear tolerance builds up fast. I have rhodiola that is 3 rosavin but wanted to try the other way around since I heard 3% salidroside is superior to 3% rosavin.
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Ok. I thought you were planning on taking valerian pre-workout, haha.

Higher salidroside content is better than lower, but the majority of studies use extracts that have 1-3% salidroside and ~3% rosavin. I've seen COAs for 3% salidroside extracts showing very little or no rosavin content, and discussions in papers mentioning that a true rhodiola extract has both. SHR-5 has many studies, and is ~2-3% salidroside and ~3% rosavin.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
Ok. I thought you were planning on taking valerian pre-workout, haha.

Higher salidroside content is better than lower, but the majority of studies use extracts that have 1-3% salidroside and ~3% rosavin. I've seen COAs for 3% salidroside extracts showing very little or no rosavin content, and discussions in papers mentioning that a true rhodiola extract has both. SHR-5 has many studies, and is ~2-3% salidroside and ~3% rosavin.
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Any recommendations on where I can find the best quality and price on bulk nootropics? Also do you think my stack will be effective?
 
Sure-

L-citulline 3-5g
Creatine mono 3g
Alpha GPC 300-600mg
l-tyrosine 500-1g

I'd run this for 3-4 weeks and then switch l-tyrosine for rhodiola. I find that l-tyrosine is great for mood, energy, and focus for a short period of time (even with 5-htp to balance) and then fades. A break is needed and about 4 weeks is a sweet spot for me personally.
 
If you're open to adding another caffeine source, you could try Antaeus PSyche, as it's specifically formulated for a mood and energy synergism. Phosphatidylserine in particular is a very interesting ingredient in my opinion, there's research showing great promise for athletic performance, but also some suggesting it may play a role in cognitive decline and enhancement.
 
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