how long did you run at 15mg for?Most I used was 15mg & it was significantly more effective for me at that dose than 9 & 10mg. In saying that, I still get better results from 20/25mg of osta than I do LGD. Curious ain't it?
how long did you run at 15mg for?Most I used was 15mg & it was significantly more effective for me at that dose than 9 & 10mg. In saying that, I still get better results from 20/25mg of osta than I do LGD. Curious ain't it?
I think it was only for a week or 2, at the end of about a 10 week cycle.how long did you run at 15mg for?
Did you end up keeping most of your gains?I think it was only for a week or 2, at the end of about a 10 week cycle.
Pretty sure I did 3 weeks at 6mg, 2+ weeks at 9mg then switched brands, 3 weeks at 10mg & a week & half at 15mg to finish. Something like that.
I felt nothing at 6mg, better at 9/10mg & really took off at 15mg. Size more than strength though, I must say.
I'm off cycle now, been about 9 - 10 weeks since finishing.
I may have to do thisEeek! Rad into LGD + dermacrine. 8 weeks, sorted.
I wouldn't say most, no, but certainly some fullness remained. It's not something I would run solo again, I seem to need more input & get better (strength & muscle) results from PH's like Trenavar. Osta is also more effective than LGD in that regard, for me.Did you end up keeping most of your gains?
My cycle for next winter will be LGD with a Rad-140 kicker. My planned layout is ...I may have to do this
This sounds awesome!My cycle for next winter will be LGD with a Rad-140 kicker. My planned layout is ...
Rad: 12-12-12-12-0-0-0-0
LGD: 8-8-8-8-12-12-12-12 (I may attempt 16mg for the last 2 weeks depending on how things go)
Dermacrine: 3-3-3-3-1-1-1-1
4-DHEA: 220-220-220-220-330-330-330-330
This WILL be a very successful cycle!
I expect to add 15+ lbs of dry 'keepable' gains with minimal sides. I loved my just recent run of LGD and it gave me zero noticeable negative sides with only Derma (1-2 doses ED) as a base. I'm also hoping that the combo of Dermacrine/4-DHEA will keep away any potential lethargy from the Rad. I don't usually suffer lethargy on cycle though so hopefully I'm good.This sounds awesome!
I think that keeping RAD to 4 weeks will give you all the benefits without the lethargy. Plus the dermacrine and 4-andro on top of it, you're going to be having one hell of a good run!I expect to add 15+ lbs of dry 'keepable' gains with minimal sides. I loved my just recent run of LGD and it gave me zero noticeable negative sides with only Derma (1-2 doses ED) as a base. I'm also hoping that the combo of Dermacrine/4-DHEA will keep away any potential lethargy from the Rad. I don't usually suffer lethargy on cycle though so hopefully I'm good.
Wish i could try 15mg, but my caps are 10mg/each,,, almost into week 6 with 10mg daily with no noticeable results yet.Most I used was 15mg & it was significantly more effective for me at that dose than 9 & 10mg. In saying that, I still get better results from 20/25mg of osta than I do LGD. Curious ain't it?
What brand are u using? Sounds like you got some bunk lgd or maybe some people just don't respond to it? Also it's easy to take 15 mg if u have 10mg pills, just break the pills open, divide the powder into 2 similar size piles and then put that into empty gel caps or just put it right under your tongue along with a whole pill, bam 15mg. Did you notice anything in the first few weeks, even any side effects?Wish i could try 15mg, but my caps are 10mg/each,,, almost into week 6 with 10mg daily with no noticeable results yet.
That's not a very accurate way to do things.. Would not recommendWhat brand are u using? Sounds like you got some bunk lgd or maybe some people just don't respond to it? Also it's easy to take 15 mg if u have 10mg pills, just break the pills open, divide the powder into 2 similar size piles and then put that into empty gel caps or just put it right under your tongue along with a whole pill, bam 15mg. Did you notice anything in the first few weeks, even any side effects?
HUH? im sorry but dont do thisWhat brand are u using? Sounds like you got some bunk lgd or maybe some people just don't respond to it? Also it's easy to take 15 mg if u have 10mg pills, just break the pills open, divide the powder into 2 similar size piles and then put that into empty gel caps or just put it right under your tongue along with a whole pill, bam 15mg. Did you notice anything in the first few weeks, even any side effects?
That's not a very accurate way to do things.. Would not recommend
Just curious why you think this would be so bad? Sure you probably aren't going to get exactly 5mg in each but it would be close.HUH? im sorry but dont do this
Not lowered test - take it when you are experiencing symptoms of elevated estrogen levels. Gyno, bloating, crying during chick flicks, etc.Do I just take my AI throughout my cycle or only when I suspect lowered test? What dosages should I take?
Did you started your first lgd cycle also from 8 mg?I expect to add 15+ lbs of dry 'keepable' gains with minimal sides. I loved my just recent run of LGD and it gave me zero noticeable negative sides with only Derma (1-2 doses ED) as a base. I'm also hoping that the combo of Dermacrine/4-DHEA will keep away any potential lethargy from the Rad. I don't usually suffer lethargy on cycle though so hopefully I'm good.
bumpDid you started your first lgd cycle also from 8 mg?
Did you started your first lgd cycle also from 8 mg?
Yes, I started right @ 8mg. My run was only a short one as I bridged into PMag/Trest. The LGD portion lasted 37 days and I ran it like so...bump
I'm using Elite LGD by focused nutrition. From the start, the only thing i noticed was that i had become a little more hungry, and thirsty all the time, that's it. And those effects seem to have gone away slowly.What brand are u using? Sounds like you got some bunk lgd or maybe some people just don't respond to it? Also it's easy to take 15 mg if u have 10mg pills, just break the pills open, divide the powder into 2 similar size piles and then put that into empty gel caps or just put it right under your tongue along with a whole pill, bam 15mg. Did you notice anything in the first few weeks, even any side effects?
Good read+info Toren! Im running similar myself, finished 8w of LGD/Stanodrol, not so impressed, maybe my diet wasnt on point Im not sure. Now bridged into Hdrol/Stano/soon Ment (oral) added on top. 1 week on Hdrol now and noticing strength gain. Lethargy/tiredness is bad though, have been through whole cycle.Yes, I started right @ 8mg. My run was only a short one as I bridged into PMag/Trest. The LGD portion lasted 37 days and I ran it like so...
LGD: 8-8-8-12-12
Dermacrine: 1-2 pumps ED.
The gains were great with no visible sides to speak of. In hindsight, I wish I had just stayed on LGD for 10 weeks but that's another story altogether. I gained ~ 10lbs on the LGD portion of my run and I leaned out as well. I saw great muscle fullness, vascularity and a solid strength increase. A longer run would allow for a better assessment on my part.
If you are planning on a shorter cycle, I would suggest starting @ 8mg ED. If you are planning on a long cycle, say 10-12 weeks, you might want to start @ 4mg for a couple of weeks but I myself would still start a long run @ 8mg as I am not a beginner with this compound or in general. If you are a novice and have not run anything hormonal before, I would recommend starting @ 4mg for a couple of weeks to see how you feel on the compound.
For me, I thought 8mg was nice but 12mg was the dose I thoroughly enjoyed. Over a longer run, I would advise sticking to 8mg until you feel the gains have stalled a bit, At that point, 12mg will be a nice boost.
That ment should help offset some of the lethargy. You going to dose it all pwo or try to space it out to use as a base?Good read+info Toren! Im running similar myself, finished 8w of LGD/Stanodrol, not so impressed, maybe my diet wasnt on point Im not sure. Now bridged into Hdrol/Stano/soon Ment (oral) added on top. 1 week on Hdrol now and noticing strength gain. Lethargy/tiredness is bad though, have been through whole cycle.
Did you log your run here on AM?
It's hard to say for sure why you didn't get the results you were hoping for with LGD. Maybe your expectations were too high or maybe it was the diet or training aspect of your cycle. I'm more inclined to believe that we as individuals just respond differently to specific compounds and it is all a part of the journey of discovering what works best for us. We may all be humans but our bodies definitely have a way of doing things differently. For whatever reason, I happen to respond well to SARMs. I firmly believe there is a physiological reason for that. There is a lot we don't know about SARMs.Good read+info Toren! Im running similar myself, finished 8w of LGD/Stanodrol, not so impressed, maybe my diet wasnt on point Im not sure. Now bridged into Hdrol/Stano/soon Ment (oral) added on top. 1 week on Hdrol now and noticing strength gain. Lethargy/tiredness is bad though, have been through whole cycle.
Did you log your run here on AM?
Prolactin issues are very uncommon while on sarms. Honestly, if estrogen is under control then prolactin is rarely an issue. Your nips leaking fluid is an indication of high prolactin. You are more likely to see high estrogen sides than prolactin sides, an ai like exemestane should be kept on hand at all times for this situation. High estrogen is usually first noticed with your nipples being puffy and/or sensitive. If left untreated, a nice set of lumpy man boobs is very possible. These side effects are not common on sarms but there is still a possibility so it's good to be prepared.Thanks guys appreciate it, probably a rookie question but what symptoms should I be keeping eye out for regarding prolactine and whether the prami is required?
I believe this has been discussed in this thread. San Marino has discussed the fertility issues with the use of Ostarine.Is their any forums regarding If sarms has any effect on conceiving and fertility? Thanks
That ment should help offset some of the lethargy. You going to dose it all pwo or try to space it out to use as a base?
That sounds reasonable. Maybe I respond better next time I try LGD, with a different diet and training approach. Now I recall that I just quit creatine in the beginning of cycle, maybe I lost a few pound of water weight when at the same time gaining from the LGD? Because strength was up. Also the Stano dries you out, making me a wee bit lighter aswell?It's hard to say for sure why you didn't get the results you were hoping for with LGD. Maybe your expectations were too high or maybe it was the diet or training aspect of your cycle. I'm more inclined to believe that we as individuals just respond differently to specific compounds and it is all a part of the journey of discovering what works best for us. We may all be humans but our bodies definitely have a way of doing things differently. For whatever reason, I happen to respond well to SARMs. I firmly believe there is a physiological reason for that. There is a lot we don't know about SARMs.
How were your joints on LGD/Stano? That's a pretty dry cycle with nothing that aromatizes. My joints were a bit dry and clicky on LGD. It may be a situation were you body needed a bit of estro to compete with the LGD/DHT (Stano). You may have seen better results with the addition of dermacrine or 4-DHEA. Lethargy does make it harder to push for those gains.
I agree with Yates, that Ment should give you a boost in agression, sense of well-being, and some estro as well. Having Stano in the mix will probably also negate the need for an AI/SERM on cycle as well. It should be enough competition for a low dose of Ment.
Unfortunately no log for that cycle. One of these days I'll do a log.
For your PCT you might want to add a SERM in there (Nolva or Clomid) or at the very least BLR Rebirth. The LGD will definitely shut you down. Personally I would feel safer adding a SERM as I wouldn't trust the PCT 5, Growth and Apex Male to get the job done on their own.Hi, I've only just joined site and noticed u had heaps of experience so wanted to ask if you could help me out? I'm currently running the following stack
LGD-4033 /10mg
Mk-677 /25mg
S4 /50mg
Mk-2866 /25mg
GW-501516/20mg
Blackstone labs eradicate
Pct - Blackstone Labs PCT 5, Growth, Apex male.
I'd just dose all 30mg pwo. You don't quite have enough on hand for "test base" dosesThat sounds reasonable. Maybe I respond better next time I try LGD, with a different diet and training approach. Now I recall that I just quit creatine in the beginning of cycle, maybe I lost a few pound of water weight when at the same time gaining from the LGD? Because strength was up. Also the Stano dries you out, making me a wee bit lighter aswell?
Anywhoo. My joints is a bit clicky as yours. Think the Stano also contributed to that. A wetter base would have been more suitable. Excited about adding the Ment to my Halo Not sure about how I want to dose it due to the short half life. I have 90x10mg which needs to last me at least 4 weeks. What would be best to combat lethargy? Dose 3 times/day? Or like 10mg am, 20mg pwo? (Usually work out in the afternoon/evening). My Stano is soon out (10x300mg left). But I have Aromasin if needed.
I agree with Yates, 30mg is a low dose. If you want the best "bang" for your buck, you might try all 30mg pwo. I don't think 20mg will do a whole lot for you in that regard. 25mg Trest oral was a nice pwo boost for me but the effect for me wore off quickly and I could have easily gone to 50mg. if you're not looking for a pwo boost, you might consider just dosing 10mg with breakfast/lunch/dinner. This would allow for the most stable blood levels and may be just enough for a mild base. I always find that Halo increases my libido/energy/mood with no visible signs of shutdown, so the 30mg may just be enough for a little boost in aggression/energy.That sounds reasonable. Maybe I respond better next time I try LGD, with a different diet and training approach. Now I recall that I just quit creatine in the beginning of cycle, maybe I lost a few pound of water weight when at the same time gaining from the LGD? Because strength was up. Also the Stano dries you out, making me a wee bit lighter aswell?
Anywhoo. My joints is a bit clicky as yours. Think the Stano also contributed to that. A wetter base would have been more suitable. Excited about adding the Ment to my Halo Not sure about how I want to dose it due to the short half life. I have 90x10mg which needs to last me at least 4 weeks. What would be best to combat lethargy? Dose 3 times/day? Or like 10mg am, 20mg pwo? (Usually work out in the afternoon/evening). My Stano is soon out (10x300mg left). But I have Aromasin if needed.
I'd just dose all 30mg pwo. You don't quite have enough on hand for "test base" doses
Alright guys, thank for your detailed input (as allways)! In the perfect of worlds I would dose 3/times day with 30mg pwo. Maybe I get another bottle if my wallet allows. Will def add this last 4 weeks. Just to make sure, Trest/Mentabolan is interchangable right? So mixing it up shouldnt make a (noticable) difference mg wise? ThaanksI agree with Yates, 30mg is a low dose. If you want the best "bang" for your buck, you might try all 30mg pwo. I don't think 20mg will do a whole lot for you in that regard. 25mg Trest oral was a nice pwo boost for me but the effect for me wore off quickly and I could have easily gone to 50mg. if you're not looking for a pwo boost, you might consider just dosing 10mg with breakfast/lunch/dinner. This would allow for the most stable blood levels and may be just enough for a mild base. I always find that Halo increases my libido/energy/mood with no visible signs of shutdown, so the 30mg may just be enough for a little boost in aggression/energy.
As a side note, I would add the Ment into the last 30 days of your Halo run as opposed to the first 30 days. When I dropped Trest from my current run (still going), I definitely saw a dip in energy and an increase in lethargy. It's nothing crazy but it is noticeable.
You going to run trest solo? Or stack with something like epistane?Bit off topic but have just got some OL trest was wanting some advice on how to run it i have aromasin....on pct at minute just finished 4 weeks of epistane which i thought was very good amazing pumps but not much going on in trouser dept but have clomid and OL super pct...wont do the trest for couple of months
Just solo ....still new to this carry on dont want to complicate things and this stuff sounds a bit scary with the estro sidesYou going to run trest solo? Or stack with something like epistane?
Yes, estro sides can be interesting but epistane will actually help mitigate some of the trest estrogen sides. If you had a successful epistane run then Stacking epi/trest is not a bad idea.Just solo ....still new to this carry on dont want to complicate things and this stuff sounds a bit scary with the estro sides
Yeah felt great in the gym on epi but not in the bedroom ....the trest added in next time would help thatYes, estro sides can be interesting but epistane will actually help mitigate some of the trest estrogen sides. If you had a successful epistane run then Stacking epi/trest is not a bad idea.
Trest is solid solo too, strength and gains are definitely there but epistane wouldn't hurt your situation. Just something to consider. Will help you set up either one just let me know!Yeah felt great in the gym on epi but not in the bedroom ....the trest added in next time would help that
I've never used Mentabolan but being as though it is a PH to Trestolone, I would think they are similar in action and dosing.Alright guys, thank for your detailed input (as allways)! In the perfect of worlds I would dose 3/times day with 30mg pwo. Maybe I get another bottle if my wallet allows. Will def add this last 4 weeks. Just to make sure, Trest/Mentabolan is interchangable right? So mixing it up shouldnt make a (noticable) difference mg wise? Thaanks
If the combo of Epistane/Trest is still leaving you with symptoms of having elevated estrogen, Formestane would help to alleviate these symptoms. It will not act as quickly or be as strong as Exemestane, for instance. I have always found Formestane to have a nice anabolic action as well, even at doses lower than what is suggested to see anabolic benefits.How would the addition of Formestane help with Trest? Would Epistane/Trest benefit from the addition of Formestane as well?
I've used it in PCT 3 times and it works great for me. It's said to help with IGF-1 production, as well a being an AI. I don't normally go over 50-75mg ED when using it in PCT as it can be minimally supressive. I believe the reported anabolic (and supressive) effects are said to take place @ 200mg and up, but I like to play it safe during PCT. I have used it past my SERM on one ocassion and still recovered just fine. For PCT I usually add it into the first 3 weeks and then switch over to Arimistane for the last 3 weeks or so. I've used it on cycle before @ 100+ mg and it seems to add to the fullness/pump and vascularity.Cool. I always have Exemestane on hand. I have never used Formestane before so interested to know its best use.
Would using in PCT help with estrogen sides while giving an anabolic effect?
So many options!I've used it in PCT 3 times and it works great for me. It's said to help with IGF-1 production, as well a being an AI. I don't normally go over 50-75mg ED when using it in PCT as it can be minimally supressive. I believe the reported anabolic (and supressive) effects are said to take place @ 200mg and up, but I like to play it safe during PCT. I have used it past my SERM on one ocassion and still recovered just fine. For PCT I usually add it into the first 3 weeks and then switch over to Arimistane for the last 3 weeks or so. I've used it on cycle before @ 100+ mg and it seems to add to the fullness/pump and vascularity.