crazy lethargy on cycle, what should i do?

kristinapls

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on week 5, running epi/tren/dmz at 50/150/50, just started mk677 along w/ 3g GABA before bed. I think it might be from the mk, but i've been having absolutely insane lethargy lately. i've been sleeping 11-12 hours regularly and have been missing work because i've been waking up around 2pm everyday. should i drop the mk? my joints are really suffering so i'd rather not, but this lethargy is just not something i can deal with.
 
Week 5 is definitely a common time when lethargy hits on a compound let alone 3 of them. And yes MK677 will most likely give you very bad lethargy in the first week or so. Of course everyone is different however.

I think you should stop the mk677 and start it in PCT.
 
anab0lix said:
Week 5 is definitely a common time when lethargy hits on a compound let alone 3 of them. And yes MK677 will most likely give you very bad lethargy in the first week or so. Of course everyone is different however.

I think you should stop the mk677 and start it in PCT.
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I agree, probably gonna have to drop the mk. How would you suggest I deal with the joint issues? Epi and Dmz are really ****ing up my joints and tren is ruining my skin, and I was really looking forward to mk fixing that up.
 
kristinapls said:
I agree, probably gonna have to drop the mk. How would you suggest I deal with the joint issues? Epi and Dmz are really ****ing up my joints and tren is ruining my skin, and I was really looking forward to mk fixing that up.
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How long have you been running the dmz? You're running a pretty potent stack. I would probably drop the dmz if you've been running it this whole time now.

Up your fish oil, see if that helps.
 
anab0lix said:
How long have you been running the dmz? You're running a pretty potent stack. I would probably drop the dmz if you've been running it this whole time now.

Up your fish oil, see if that helps.
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All 5 weeks. I wish I could drop it, but it's lumped in with my tren, which I'd rather keep on my recomp.

Alternatively, could I drop both tren and dmz and replace it with 20mg superdrol?

I don't know exactly how much fish oil is in the capsules I've been taking, but I'll double it and let you know if that makes a difference. Dropped mk for the rest of the cycle.
 
Are you on any liver support??

No do not replace the tren and dmz for superdrol. The superdrol is probably more potent then those 2 combined.

I do not recommend you go past 6 weeks with a stack like that. Epi dose at 50mg is not a "light" dose either.

how has your appetite been?
 
anab0lix said:
Are you on any liver support??

No do not replace the tren and dmz for superdrol. The superdrol is probably more potent then those 2 combined.

I do not recommend you go past 6 weeks with a stack like that. Epi dose at 50mg is not a "light" dose either.

how has your appetite been?
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Yeah I'm on ar1macare pro which has tudca and nac, my tren/dmz has like 300mg of milk thistle (which is probably useless but w/e), and an additional 500mg of tudca.

Honestly I just don't feel very happy with my results so far. On the scale I've gained 7-9lbs, and in the mirror I think I lost 2-3% bf, but it's hard to tell because lately I've been holding a lot of water due to lots of sodium in my diet.

My appetite is basically nonexistent, partially due to some depression I'm dealing with at the moment. I just try to force down food as much as I can. Lately I've been playing everything by ear but I try to get around 3k cals, 150-200g protein. Since I haven't had bad soreness after workouts, it seems like I've been eating enough at least for recovery..

I feel like I've been somewhat sloppy with this cycle, but I do have a decent amount of experience so I hope I can lengthen it and straighten things out rather than PCTing in 2 weeks and losing what little gains I did make.

/rant

Sorry that was long lol
 
Experience doesn't always cover the possibility of doing damage to your self.

no one runs dmz for 6 weeks and over. On top of 2 other compounds. You are not taking light doses either.

You say you have no appetite because of depression but I will add it may be a big part due to stress on your liver right now. **** it could even be the reason of your lethargy as well.


I say do not go past 6 weeks because 1. Your appetite will get worse 2. You will be doing more damage 3. It's stupid
 
anab0lix said:
Experience doesn't always cover the possibility of doing damage to your self.

no one runs dmz for 6 weeks and over. On top of 2 other compounds. You are not taking light doses either.

You say you have no appetite because of depression but I will add it may be a big part due to stress on your liver right now. **** it could even be the reason of your lethargy as well.


I say do not go past 6 weeks because 1. Your appetite will get worse 2. You will be doing more damage 3. It's stupid
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Yeah you're probably right. Do you think I can cruise on my test base alone for another 4-6 weeks and slowly taper off just to make sure I keep my gains?

On a related note, my balls haven't shrunk yet o__o. I remember they had shrunk quite a bit on my 4th week of sdmz 3.0
Does that mean my hpta isn't completely suppressed yet?
 
kristinapls said:
Yeah you're probably right. Do you think I can cruise on my test base alone for another 4-6 weeks and slowly taper off just to make sure I keep my gains?

On a related note, my balls haven't shrunk yet o__o. I remember they had shrunk quite a bit on my 4th week of sdmz 3.0
Does that mean my hpta isn't completely suppressed yet?
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Not totally sure whether ball size is always relevant to being shut down.

what brand tren/dmz are you using and epi?

As for using 4-ad for 4 extra weeks. It's possible. But no need to taper off..
 
anab0lix said:
Not totally sure whether ball size is always relevant to being shut down.

what brand tren/dmz are you using and epi?

As for using 4-ad for 4 extra weeks. It's possible. But no need to taper off..
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Epi is rpn havoc. Tren/dmz is anabolic technologies xtreme tren Z.

I know it's probably not needed, but I've had pretty good results by tapering off the test and using a suicidal AI the last day of my cycle to prevent estrogen rebound.
 
4-andro @375mg a day is probably the same as 80-100mg a week
If that, nobody truly knows but you definitely aren't getting as much test conversion as you need
 
Seriously, something is wrong and you want to try to fix it instead of ending the cycle? I would rather lose some gains than my liver and health. Take T-Bones advice and end it. Figure out what went wrong and try again later...at least there will be a later.
 
Almost 10 lbs is nice man. Health first. Let your body rest and then plan for your next run. Maybe these compounds wasnt for you.
 
think you have the answer you need, but out of curiosity, what were you levels before you started?
 
Looks like you guys are pretty much unanimous. I guess I'll error on the side of caution and start pct at the end of the week then. Nolva 20/20/10/10 and 10mg mk677. Also thinking about using laxogenin throughout to keep gains. Thoughts?
 
kristinapls said:
Looks like you guys are pretty much unanimous. I guess I'll error on the side of caution and start pct at the end of the week then. Nolva 20/20/10/10 and 10mg mk677. Also thinking about using laxogenin throughout to keep gains. Thoughts?
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You will keep most of the gains as long as you eat enough and keep the intensity of training up. If you do it right you will keep 6-7lbs at the least. Considering it was a pretty dry stack, you may be even be able to keep most of it. Either way, most if not all compounds cause you to gain extra glycogen/water weight.

I would do 20/20/10/10/10eod/10e3d and run something like arimistane at 25-50mg starting on the 2nd to last week of pct and run it a week past pct taking it e3d on the last week.
 
anab0lix said:
You say you have no appetite because of depression but I will add it may be a big part due to stress on your liver right now. **** it could even be the reason of your lethargy as well.
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I completely agree with it likely being caused by liver stress, the lack of appetite and lethargy. I've been there a few times for the same reasons.
 
anab0lix said:
You will keep most of the gains as long as you eat enough and keep the intensity of training up. If you do it right you will keep 6-7lbs at the least. Considering it was a pretty dry stack, you may be even be able to keep most of it. Either way, most if not all compounds cause you to gain extra glycogen/water weight.

I would do 20/20/10/10/10eod/10e3d and run something like arimistane at 25-50mg starting on the 2nd to last week of pct and run it a week past pct taking it e3d on the last week.
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I don't have arimistane besides whatever amount is in ar1macare. Can I use aromasin instead?
 
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